[Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books

[Joshua Lester]

Ryan:
Go here.
http://www.clministry.com.
The college, www.clc.edu
They're affiliated with the UPCI, www.upci.org
The late Bishop Kenneth Haney started the college.
Blessings, Joshua

On 11/18/11, Ryan Kwaak <kwaakproductions at gmail.com> wrote:
> Josh:
> Christian Life College is in Mount Prospect, IL, and I have no
> knowledge of the one in Stockton, California. It's affiliated with the
> Fellowship of Christian Assemblies which itself is a more Pentecostal
> wing of the Baptist church if that makes any `sense.
>
> On 11/18/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
>> Ryan:
>> Christian Life College?
>> Is this affiliated with the one in Stockton, CA?
>> Paul:
>> I don't approve of Dr Walter Martin's series, because he calls my
>> group, (the UPCI,) a cult.
>> Thanks, Joshua
>>
>> On 11/18/11, Ryan Kwaak <kwaakproductions at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> To the person who posted the link to Steve Camp's 107 Theses, the main
>>> page works, but the links to the individual parts and the zip file are
>>> dead. Do you have a copy you can send to us?
>>>
>>> On 11/18/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> amen and amen Greg, leglaism is not biblical
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Greg Aikens" <gpaikens at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:33 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh come on.  Sure, plenty of contemporary christian music lacks the
>>>> richness
>>>> of meaning of the old hymns, but there are plenty contemporary worship
>>>> songs
>>>> that tell the story of the gospel and the greatness of God.  No one
>>>> genre
>>>> has a monopoly on being the theologically correct worship style.  Each
>>>> song/artist should be judged based on its content. Weren't our beloved
>>>> hymns
>>>> considered "contemporary" at the time they were written?  The church has
>>>> a
>>>> wonderful and rich history of worship practices, but it also has a
>>>> history
>>>> of people worshipping God creatively.  Why not encourage people to
>>>> worship
>>>> God in the way most meaningful to them?  Didn't Martin Luther feel
>>>> comfortable turning bar songs into great hymns of the church?  Why not
>>>> allow
>>>> Christian artists to reclaim all musical genres for God's glory?
>>>>
>>>> I think music style is absolutely a preference.  God tells us to worship
>>>> in
>>>> the Bible, but he doesn't tell us exactly how.  Unless of course your
>>>> church
>>>> worships with the harp, lyre, flute, and cymbals.
>>>>
>>>> I believe this is a preference thing.  Its ok to not enjoy certain
>>>> genres
>>>> of
>>>> Christian music, but bemoaning contemporary christian music as a demonic
>>>> force that is destroying the church is foolish.  Its good to critically
>>>> analyze the music you use for worship, but condemning a genre because
>>>> they
>>>> use electric guitars or loud drums does not seem biblical to me.
>>>>
>>>> Just my thoughts.
>>>>
>>>> -Greg
>>>> On Nov 18, 2011, at 6:05 AM, Paul wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't mean to say anything about CCM, but if you'd like to read a
>>>>> little
>>>>>
>>>>> tract about a contrary or perhaps conservative or old-fashioned view of
>>>>> this subject, go to the Foundations Bible College and Theological
>>>>> Seminary's radio station at http://www.fbcradio.org.  There you can
>>>>> find
>>>>> the relevant tract written by the college's founder, the late Dr. R.
>>>>> Talmage Spence.  You may even like to listen to the station for their
>>>>> traditional music and preaching programs.  Geographically, they are in
>>>>> Dunn, North Carolina.  Paul
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester"
>>>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:38 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rick Warren, and Joel Ostine pride themselves on the fact that they
>>>>> don't preach against sin, or mention the cross, or the blood.
>>>>> They also want the hymnals thrown out, and they want the so-called
>>>>> worship to be comparable to a rock concert.
>>>>> That's why CCM is so popular.
>>>>> This stuff is destroying the church!
>>>>> Ostine said, "The cross, and the blood is too offensive."
>>>>> I have three words for those wolves!
>>>>> Get over it!
>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/17/11, Alan Wheeler <awheeler65 at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Oh wow! That's unbelieveable. No cross? That's like saying an airplane
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> no engine can fly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:02 PM
>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He, and Joel Ostine both went on Larry King Live, and said that Jesus
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> one of many ways to Heaven.
>>>>>> That's pathetic!
>>>>>> Warren also wants us to replace the words, "saved," and "lost," with
>>>>>> "churched," and "unchurched."
>>>>>> To him, church membership alone is what saves us!
>>>>>> That's also pathetic, because church membership doesn't save anyone,
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> the blood of Jesus, which BTW, Warren doesn't want us to mention
>>>>>> either.
>>>>>> No cross, no blood, no Gospel!
>>>>>> The Bible says, "Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> sin," none!
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/17/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> i'd have to say i agree with you, i think he has the idea like many
>>>>>>> folks today that the more enclusive we are the more folks we will
>>>>>>> bring
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> Christ.
>>>>>>> i did not like his paraphrasing and i was very uncomfortable with
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> of his teachings. i am one though who does not like going with
>>>>>>> whatever fad is going on in the church so i kind f waited til the
>>>>>>> hype
>>>>>>> about the books was over.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Linda Mentink" <mentink at frontiernet.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:47 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would not recommend them, if you are a Christian who wants to stick
>>>>>>> with the Bible. He has some very ecumenical ideas, and the Bible says
>>>>>>> that Christians should be separate from the world. He uses many
>>>>>>> passages from a paraphrase of the Bible, rather than a translation.
>>>>>>> And, why should we be purpose-driven? We should be in God's will, and
>>>>>>> that does not drive!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We studied The Purpose-Driven Life in the church I attended in
>>>>>>> Wisconsin before moving here to Nebraska. I purchased it on CD, and
>>>>>>> wished I hadn't; but I needed it for Sunday School. I left it there!
>>>>>>> So, yes, read them before you buy them.
>>>>>>> Of course, if you read them from BARD, you can keep them if you want.
>>>>>>> I was uncomfortable with a lot of his teachings and approaches. That
>>>>>>> wass over 7 years ago now, so I don't remember what particularly. I'm
>>>>>>> conservative and "old-fashioned", and I didn't like his modern ways.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just my two cents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 08:18 PM 11/16/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>>>> they are both available on the bard website, you should go read them
>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> buying them, at least that is my opinion, do not take someone else's
>>>>>>>> opinion unless you know that person well, jeanette ----- Original
>>>>>>>> Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>>> "for the discussion of faith and religion Faith-talk"
>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 9:51 PM Subject: [Faith-talk] Rick
>>>>>>>> Warren Books > Hi all, > > What are Rick Warrenâ?Ts books about: The
>>>>>>>> Purpose-driven Life and > Purpose-Driven Church? > Would you
>>>>>>>> recommend
>>>>>>>> them?  I am considering buying them if they are in > accessible
>>>>>>>> form.
>>>>>>>>> > Thanks. > Ashley >
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