[Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books

Fri Nov 18 17:52:51 UTC 2011

I would say the problem with a lot of the contemporary music is that many 
are 7 11 songs and have no meat.
I would consider music of any genre a good Christian song if it had verses 
and a chorus.  Songs need some meat to chew on or their just a catchy tune 
with annoyingly boring lyrics.
Many of the contemporary songs also speak of the love of Jesus as bordering 
on the relationship one would have with a boyfriend or girlfriend.  That's 
the wrong kind of love.
Barbara

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-----Original Message----- 
From: Ryan Kwaak
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:18 AM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books

OK if the broadcaster in this crowd can chime in with some remarks
even though I acknowledge this thread is getting old. Rick Warren is
most definitely a deceiver, but we must realize he is part of an even
greater network of demonic deception known as the Emergent Church. Be
on the lookout for people like Rob Bell, Brian McLaren, Doug Pagitt,
Robert Schuler, and Bill Hibels. The aim of this group is to discredit
the cross as the only means of salvation, distort the Second Coming,
and make the church no different from the world. Although this is a
blatant plug, I would invite you to check out the lecture my associate
pastor did at Christian Life College on "The Emergent Church 101".
It's by Jay Peters and it's available on his YouTube channel.
http://www.youtube.com/alleywaystudios. Thanks Brother Wheeler for
sharing the "Agony Of Deceit". Steve Camp has restored my faith in
Christian music to a small degree. I'm a southern gospel man myself,
but I also have an ear out for classic Christian music such as this as
an alternative to EMF Broadcasting's nationalized mushy-wushy K-Love
hogwash. It's so cheesy it makes me want to hurl. The church can do
better than this personalized stuff where Jesus is only there to help
you through the day and cuddle with you when you go to bed. I'll shut
up now before I get banned when some of the Christian rookies get
offended. I'll save that rant for the radio show. More about that in
my next post. But I do have respect for groups that, although they use
modern music, their motives are pure. A group called the Appologetics
comes to mind. They were hippie rock stars back in the day, then when
God got a hold of them, they left that crowd and even turned down a
multimillion-dollar contract so they could sing for Jesus. Now they
parody rock songs and share the gospel in live concerts across the
country. Originally I had my doubts, but the testimony of Jason, the
lead singer, is excellent. Really it's not what you do that counts in
God's eyes; it's why you do it. Check out this YouTube video of their
song "Little-Read Bible Book" that addresses those wolves in sheep's
clothing like Rick Warren. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSJnDhgWXnY

On 11/18/11, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh come on.  Sure, plenty of contemporary christian music lacks the 
> richness
> of meaning of the old hymns, but there are plenty contemporary worship 
> songs
> that tell the story of the gospel and the greatness of God.  No one genre
> has a monopoly on being the theologically correct worship style.  Each
> song/artist should be judged based on its content. Weren't our beloved 
> hymns
> considered "contemporary" at the time they were written?  The church has a
> wonderful and rich history of worship practices, but it also has a history
> of people worshipping God creatively.  Why not encourage people to worship
> God in the way most meaningful to them?  Didn't Martin Luther feel
> comfortable turning bar songs into great hymns of the church?  Why not 
> allow
> Christian artists to reclaim all musical genres for God's glory?
>
> I think music style is absolutely a preference.  God tells us to worship 
> in
> the Bible, but he doesn't tell us exactly how.  Unless of course your 
> church
> worships with the harp, lyre, flute, and cymbals.
>
> I believe this is a preference thing.  Its ok to not enjoy certain genres 
> of
> Christian music, but bemoaning contemporary christian music as a demonic
> force that is destroying the church is foolish.  Its good to critically
> analyze the music you use for worship, but condemning a genre because they
> use electric guitars or loud drums does not seem biblical to me.
>
> Just my thoughts.
>
> -Greg
> On Nov 18, 2011, at 6:05 AM, Paul wrote:
>
>> I don't mean to say anything about CCM, but if you'd like to read a 
>> little
>> tract about a contrary or perhaps conservative or old-fashioned view of
>> this subject, go to the Foundations Bible College and Theological
>> Seminary's radio station at http://www.fbcradio.org.  There you can find
>> the relevant tract written by the college's founder, the late Dr. R.
>> Talmage Spence.  You may even like to listen to the station for their
>> traditional music and preaching programs.  Geographically, they are in
>> Dunn, North Carolina.  Paul
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester"
>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>>
>>
>> Rick Warren, and Joel Ostine pride themselves on the fact that they
>> don't preach against sin, or mention the cross, or the blood.
>> They also want the hymnals thrown out, and they want the so-called
>> worship to be comparable to a rock concert.
>> That's why CCM is so popular.
>> This stuff is destroying the church!
>> Ostine said, "The cross, and the blood is too offensive."
>> I have three words for those wolves!
>> Get over it!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 11/17/11, Alan Wheeler <awheeler65 at windstream.net> wrote:
>>> Oh wow! That's unbelieveable. No cross? That's like saying an airplane
>>> with
>>> no engine can fly.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:02 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>>>
>>> He, and Joel Ostine both went on Larry King Live, and said that Jesus 
>>> was
>>> one of many ways to Heaven.
>>> That's pathetic!
>>> Warren also wants us to replace the words, "saved," and "lost," with
>>> "churched," and "unchurched."
>>> To him, church membership alone is what saves us!
>>> That's also pathetic, because church membership doesn't save anyone, 
>>> it's
>>> the blood of Jesus, which BTW, Warren doesn't want us to mention either.
>>> No cross, no blood, no Gospel!
>>> The Bible says, "Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of
>>> sin," none!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 11/17/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> i'd have to say i agree with you, i think he has the idea like many
>>>> folks today that the more enclusive we are the more folks we will bring
>>>> to
>>> Christ.
>>>> i did not like his paraphrasing and i was very uncomfortable with some
>>>> of his teachings. i am one though who does not like going with
>>>> whatever fad is going on in the church so i kind f waited til the hype
>>>> about the books was over.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Linda Mentink" <mentink at frontiernet.net>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:47 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would not recommend them, if you are a Christian who wants to stick
>>>> with the Bible. He has some very ecumenical ideas, and the Bible says
>>>> that Christians should be separate from the world. He uses many
>>>> passages from a paraphrase of the Bible, rather than a translation.
>>>> And, why should we be purpose-driven? We should be in God's will, and
>>>> that does not drive!
>>>>
>>>> We studied The Purpose-Driven Life in the church I attended in
>>>> Wisconsin before moving here to Nebraska. I purchased it on CD, and
>>>> wished I hadn't; but I needed it for Sunday School. I left it there!
>>>> So, yes, read them before you buy them.
>>>> Of course, if you read them from BARD, you can keep them if you want.
>>>> I was uncomfortable with a lot of his teachings and approaches. That
>>>> wass over 7 years ago now, so I don't remember what particularly. I'm
>>>> conservative and "old-fashioned", and I didn't like his modern ways.
>>>>
>>>> Just my two cents.
>>>>
>>>> Blessings,
>>>>
>>>> Linda
>>>>
>>>> At 08:18 PM 11/16/2011, you wrote:
>>>>> they are both available on the bard website, you should go read them
>>>>> before
>>>>>
>>>>> buying them, at least that is my opinion, do not take someone else's
>>>>> opinion unless you know that person well, jeanette ----- Original
>>>>> Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> To:
>>>>> "for the discussion of faith and religion Faith-talk"
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 9:51 PM Subject: [Faith-talk] Rick
>>>>> Warren Books > Hi all, > > What are Rick Warrenâ?Ts books about: The
>>>>> Purpose-driven Life and > Purpose-Driven Church? > Would you recommend
>>>>> them?  I am considering buying them if they are in > accessible form.
>>>>>> > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________
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