[Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books

Fri Nov 18 13:32:25 UTC 2011

I have tremendous respect for Steve Camp. He really challenged the CCM
community. Too bad they didn't listen! Here's a page where you can get a
hold of his 107 Theses he posted on Reformation Day, 1998.
http://www.solideogloria.org/ourbeliefs/stevecamps-107-thesis/

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On Behalf Of Ryan Kwaak
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:19 AM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books

OK if the broadcaster in this crowd can chime in with some remarks even
though I acknowledge this thread is getting old. Rick Warren is most
definitely a deceiver, but we must realize he is part of an even greater
network of demonic deception known as the Emergent Church. Be on the lookout
for people like Rob Bell, Brian McLaren, Doug Pagitt, Robert Schuler, and
Bill Hibels. The aim of this group is to discredit the cross as the only
means of salvation, distort the Second Coming, and make the church no
different from the world. Although this is a blatant plug, I would invite
you to check out the lecture my associate pastor did at Christian Life
College on "The Emergent Church 101".
It's by Jay Peters and it's available on his YouTube channel.
http://www.youtube.com/alleywaystudios. Thanks Brother Wheeler for sharing
the "Agony Of Deceit". Steve Camp has restored my faith in Christian music
to a small degree. I'm a southern gospel man myself, but I also have an ear
out for classic Christian music such as this as an alternative to EMF
Broadcasting's nationalized mushy-wushy K-Love hogwash. It's so cheesy it
makes me want to hurl. The church can do better than this personalized stuff
where Jesus is only there to help you through the day and cuddle with you
when you go to bed. I'll shut up now before I get banned when some of the
Christian rookies get offended. I'll save that rant for the radio show. More
about that in my next post. But I do have respect for groups that, although
they use modern music, their motives are pure. A group called the
Appologetics comes to mind. They were hippie rock stars back in the day,
then when God got a hold of them, they left that crowd and even turned down
a multimillion-dollar contract so they could sing for Jesus. Now they parody
rock songs and share the gospel in live concerts across the country.
Originally I had my doubts, but the testimony of Jason, the lead singer, is
excellent. Really it's not what you do that counts in God's eyes; it's why
you do it. Check out this YouTube video of their song "Little-Read Bible
Book" that addresses those wolves in sheep's clothing like Rick Warren.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSJnDhgWXnY

On 11/18/11, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh come on.  Sure, plenty of contemporary christian music lacks the 
> richness of meaning of the old hymns, but there are plenty 
> contemporary worship songs that tell the story of the gospel and the 
> greatness of God.  No one genre has a monopoly on being the 
> theologically correct worship style.  Each song/artist should be 
> judged based on its content. Weren't our beloved hymns considered 
> "contemporary" at the time they were written?  The church has a 
> wonderful and rich history of worship practices, but it also has a 
> history of people worshipping God creatively.  Why not encourage 
> people to worship God in the way most meaningful to them?  Didn't 
> Martin Luther feel comfortable turning bar songs into great hymns of the
church?  Why not allow Christian artists to reclaim all musical genres for
God's glory?
>
> I think music style is absolutely a preference.  God tells us to 
> worship in the Bible, but he doesn't tell us exactly how.  Unless of 
> course your church worships with the harp, lyre, flute, and cymbals.
>
> I believe this is a preference thing.  Its ok to not enjoy certain 
> genres of Christian music, but bemoaning contemporary christian music 
> as a demonic force that is destroying the church is foolish.  Its good 
> to critically analyze the music you use for worship, but condemning a 
> genre because they use electric guitars or loud drums does not seem
biblical to me.
>
> Just my thoughts.
>
> -Greg
> On Nov 18, 2011, at 6:05 AM, Paul wrote:
>
>> I don't mean to say anything about CCM, but if you'd like to read a 
>> little tract about a contrary or perhaps conservative or 
>> old-fashioned view of this subject, go to the Foundations Bible 
>> College and Theological Seminary's radio station at 
>> http://www.fbcradio.org.  There you can find the relevant tract written
by the college's founder, the late Dr. R.
>> Talmage Spence.  You may even like to listen to the station for their 
>> traditional music and preaching programs.  Geographically, they are 
>> in Dunn, North Carolina.  Paul
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester"
>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>>
>>
>> Rick Warren, and Joel Ostine pride themselves on the fact that they 
>> don't preach against sin, or mention the cross, or the blood.
>> They also want the hymnals thrown out, and they want the so-called 
>> worship to be comparable to a rock concert.
>> That's why CCM is so popular.
>> This stuff is destroying the church!
>> Ostine said, "The cross, and the blood is too offensive."
>> I have three words for those wolves!
>> Get over it!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 11/17/11, Alan Wheeler <awheeler65 at windstream.net> wrote:
>>> Oh wow! That's unbelieveable. No cross? That's like saying an 
>>> airplane with no engine can fly.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:02 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>>>
>>> He, and Joel Ostine both went on Larry King Live, and said that 
>>> Jesus was one of many ways to Heaven.
>>> That's pathetic!
>>> Warren also wants us to replace the words, "saved," and "lost," with 
>>> "churched," and "unchurched."
>>> To him, church membership alone is what saves us!
>>> That's also pathetic, because church membership doesn't save anyone, 
>>> it's the blood of Jesus, which BTW, Warren doesn't want us to mention
either.
>>> No cross, no blood, no Gospel!
>>> The Bible says, "Without the shedding of blood, there is no 
>>> remission of sin," none!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 11/17/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> i'd have to say i agree with you, i think he has the idea like many 
>>>> folks today that the more enclusive we are the more folks we will 
>>>> bring to
>>> Christ.
>>>> i did not like his paraphrasing and i was very uncomfortable with 
>>>> some of his teachings. i am one though who does not like going with 
>>>> whatever fad is going on in the church so i kind f waited til the 
>>>> hype about the books was over.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Linda Mentink" <mentink at frontiernet.net>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:47 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would not recommend them, if you are a Christian who wants to 
>>>> stick with the Bible. He has some very ecumenical ideas, and the 
>>>> Bible says that Christians should be separate from the world. He 
>>>> uses many passages from a paraphrase of the Bible, rather than a
translation.
>>>> And, why should we be purpose-driven? We should be in God's will, 
>>>> and that does not drive!
>>>>
>>>> We studied The Purpose-Driven Life in the church I attended in 
>>>> Wisconsin before moving here to Nebraska. I purchased it on CD, and 
>>>> wished I hadn't; but I needed it for Sunday School. I left it there!
>>>> So, yes, read them before you buy them.
>>>> Of course, if you read them from BARD, you can keep them if you want.
>>>> I was uncomfortable with a lot of his teachings and approaches. 
>>>> That wass over 7 years ago now, so I don't remember what 
>>>> particularly. I'm conservative and "old-fashioned", and I didn't like
his modern ways.
>>>>
>>>> Just my two cents.
>>>>
>>>> Blessings,
>>>>
>>>> Linda
>>>>
>>>> At 08:18 PM 11/16/2011, you wrote:
>>>>> they are both available on the bard website, you should go read 
>>>>> them before
>>>>>
>>>>> buying them, at least that is my opinion, do not take someone 
>>>>> else's opinion unless you know that person well, jeanette ----- 
>>>>> Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
<bookwormahb at earthlink.net> To:
>>>>> "for the discussion of faith and religion Faith-talk"
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 9:51 PM Subject: [Faith-talk] Rick 
>>>>> Warren Books > Hi all, > > What are Rick Warrenâ?Ts books about: 
>>>>> The Purpose-driven Life and > Purpose-Driven Church? > Would you 
>>>>> recommend them?  I am considering buying them if they are in >
accessible form.
>>>>>> > Thanks. > Ashley > 
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