[Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books

Fri Nov 18 18:12:58 UTC 2011

Barbara, you're preachingg right to the choir. I'm right there with
you. For those who need clarification, the 7-11 song comment was
originated by Christian comedian Dennis Swanberg, made popular on
Gaither Homecoming recordings in the early 90s. He's well-known for
saying "If I tell my wife "Honey, the cows need milking" that's a
hymn, but if I said "The cows the cows the cows need milking, the cows
need the cows need the cows need milking", that's a praise song". In
other words, 7-11 songs are seven words sung eleven times.

On 11/18/11, Barbara Hammel <poetlori8 at msn.com> wrote:
> I would say the problem with a lot of the contemporary music is that many
> are 7 11 songs and have no meat.
> I would consider music of any genre a good Christian song if it had verses
> and a chorus.  Songs need some meat to chew on or their just a catchy tune
> with annoyingly boring lyrics.
> Many of the contemporary songs also speak of the love of Jesus as bordering
> on the relationship one would have with a boyfriend or girlfriend.  That's
> the wrong kind of love.
> Barbara
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> F. Kennedy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Kwaak
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:18 AM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>
> OK if the broadcaster in this crowd can chime in with some remarks
> even though I acknowledge this thread is getting old. Rick Warren is
> most definitely a deceiver, but we must realize he is part of an even
> greater network of demonic deception known as the Emergent Church. Be
> on the lookout for people like Rob Bell, Brian McLaren, Doug Pagitt,
> Robert Schuler, and Bill Hibels. The aim of this group is to discredit
> the cross as the only means of salvation, distort the Second Coming,
> and make the church no different from the world. Although this is a
> blatant plug, I would invite you to check out the lecture my associate
> pastor did at Christian Life College on "The Emergent Church 101".
> It's by Jay Peters and it's available on his YouTube channel.
> http://www.youtube.com/alleywaystudios. Thanks Brother Wheeler for
> sharing the "Agony Of Deceit". Steve Camp has restored my faith in
> Christian music to a small degree. I'm a southern gospel man myself,
> but I also have an ear out for classic Christian music such as this as
> an alternative to EMF Broadcasting's nationalized mushy-wushy K-Love
> hogwash. It's so cheesy it makes me want to hurl. The church can do
> better than this personalized stuff where Jesus is only there to help
> you through the day and cuddle with you when you go to bed. I'll shut
> up now before I get banned when some of the Christian rookies get
> offended. I'll save that rant for the radio show. More about that in
> my next post. But I do have respect for groups that, although they use
> modern music, their motives are pure. A group called the Appologetics
> comes to mind. They were hippie rock stars back in the day, then when
> God got a hold of them, they left that crowd and even turned down a
> multimillion-dollar contract so they could sing for Jesus. Now they
> parody rock songs and share the gospel in live concerts across the
> country. Originally I had my doubts, but the testimony of Jason, the
> lead singer, is excellent. Really it's not what you do that counts in
> God's eyes; it's why you do it. Check out this YouTube video of their
> song "Little-Read Bible Book" that addresses those wolves in sheep's
> clothing like Rick Warren. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSJnDhgWXnY
>
> On 11/18/11, Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Oh come on.  Sure, plenty of contemporary christian music lacks the
>> richness
>> of meaning of the old hymns, but there are plenty contemporary worship
>> songs
>> that tell the story of the gospel and the greatness of God.  No one genre
>> has a monopoly on being the theologically correct worship style.  Each
>> song/artist should be judged based on its content. Weren't our beloved
>> hymns
>> considered "contemporary" at the time they were written?  The church has a
>> wonderful and rich history of worship practices, but it also has a history
>> of people worshipping God creatively.  Why not encourage people to worship
>> God in the way most meaningful to them?  Didn't Martin Luther feel
>> comfortable turning bar songs into great hymns of the church?  Why not
>> allow
>> Christian artists to reclaim all musical genres for God's glory?
>>
>> I think music style is absolutely a preference.  God tells us to worship
>> in
>> the Bible, but he doesn't tell us exactly how.  Unless of course your
>> church
>> worships with the harp, lyre, flute, and cymbals.
>>
>> I believe this is a preference thing.  Its ok to not enjoy certain genres
>> of
>> Christian music, but bemoaning contemporary christian music as a demonic
>> force that is destroying the church is foolish.  Its good to critically
>> analyze the music you use for worship, but condemning a genre because they
>> use electric guitars or loud drums does not seem biblical to me.
>>
>> Just my thoughts.
>>
>> -Greg
>> On Nov 18, 2011, at 6:05 AM, Paul wrote:
>>
>>> I don't mean to say anything about CCM, but if you'd like to read a
>>> little
>>> tract about a contrary or perhaps conservative or old-fashioned view of
>>> this subject, go to the Foundations Bible College and Theological
>>> Seminary's radio station at http://www.fbcradio.org.  There you can find
>>> the relevant tract written by the college's founder, the late Dr. R.
>>> Talmage Spence.  You may even like to listen to the station for their
>>> traditional music and preaching programs.  Geographically, they are in
>>> Dunn, North Carolina.  Paul
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester"
>>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 11:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>>>
>>>
>>> Rick Warren, and Joel Ostine pride themselves on the fact that they
>>> don't preach against sin, or mention the cross, or the blood.
>>> They also want the hymnals thrown out, and they want the so-called
>>> worship to be comparable to a rock concert.
>>> That's why CCM is so popular.
>>> This stuff is destroying the church!
>>> Ostine said, "The cross, and the blood is too offensive."
>>> I have three words for those wolves!
>>> Get over it!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 11/17/11, Alan Wheeler <awheeler65 at windstream.net> wrote:
>>>> Oh wow! That's unbelieveable. No cross? That's like saying an airplane
>>>> with
>>>> no engine can fly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Joshua Lester
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:02 PM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>>>>
>>>> He, and Joel Ostine both went on Larry King Live, and said that Jesus
>>>> was
>>>> one of many ways to Heaven.
>>>> That's pathetic!
>>>> Warren also wants us to replace the words, "saved," and "lost," with
>>>> "churched," and "unchurched."
>>>> To him, church membership alone is what saves us!
>>>> That's also pathetic, because church membership doesn't save anyone,
>>>> it's
>>>> the blood of Jesus, which BTW, Warren doesn't want us to mention either.
>>>> No cross, no blood, no Gospel!
>>>> The Bible says, "Without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of
>>>> sin," none!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 11/17/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> i'd have to say i agree with you, i think he has the idea like many
>>>>> folks today that the more enclusive we are the more folks we will bring
>>>>> to
>>>> Christ.
>>>>> i did not like his paraphrasing and i was very uncomfortable with some
>>>>> of his teachings. i am one though who does not like going with
>>>>> whatever fad is going on in the church so i kind f waited til the hype
>>>>> about the books was over.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Linda Mentink" <mentink at frontiernet.net>
>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 6:47 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Rick Warren Books
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would not recommend them, if you are a Christian who wants to stick
>>>>> with the Bible. He has some very ecumenical ideas, and the Bible says
>>>>> that Christians should be separate from the world. He uses many
>>>>> passages from a paraphrase of the Bible, rather than a translation.
>>>>> And, why should we be purpose-driven? We should be in God's will, and
>>>>> that does not drive!
>>>>>
>>>>> We studied The Purpose-Driven Life in the church I attended in
>>>>> Wisconsin before moving here to Nebraska. I purchased it on CD, and
>>>>> wished I hadn't; but I needed it for Sunday School. I left it there!
>>>>> So, yes, read them before you buy them.
>>>>> Of course, if you read them from BARD, you can keep them if you want.
>>>>> I was uncomfortable with a lot of his teachings and approaches. That
>>>>> wass over 7 years ago now, so I don't remember what particularly. I'm
>>>>> conservative and "old-fashioned", and I didn't like his modern ways.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my two cents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>
>>>>> Linda
>>>>>
>>>>> At 08:18 PM 11/16/2011, you wrote:
>>>>>> they are both available on the bard website, you should go read them
>>>>>> before
>>>>>>
>>>>>> buying them, at least that is my opinion, do not take someone else's
>>>>>> opinion unless you know that person well, jeanette ----- Original
>>>>>> Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> To:
>>>>>> "for the discussion of faith and religion Faith-talk"
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 9:51 PM Subject: [Faith-talk] Rick
>>>>>> Warren Books > Hi all, > > What are Rick Warrenâ?Ts books about: The
>>>>>> Purpose-driven Life and > Purpose-Driven Church? > Would you recommend
>>>>>> them?  I am considering buying them if they are in > accessible form.
>>>>>>> > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________
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