[Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely from Joshua

Sun Nov 27 00:43:44 UTC 2011

I was raised Quaker.
I'm now an Apostolic Pentecostal, as I've told you.
Here's a video of Greater Vision, (a Southern Gospel trio.)
Listen for the Shaped Note singing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HEcb7Q1ZpUJan
Blessings, Joshua

On 11/26/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> Thanks for clarifying. Nice music history. I definitely have heard of
> Sacred Harp singing, but was not aware it was part of southern gospel
> music.  Also, I have heard of bluegrass; that music is played on NPR
> sometimes, but not bluegrass gospel.
>
> Shaped note singing was common among the Shakers and Quakers as well. These
> types of music go back to the 1800s.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 7:29 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely from Joshua
>
> Ashley:
> Brother Ely's style is called Bluegrass Gospel.
> Bluegrass has Mandolins, Fiddles, (which are smaller than a violin,)
> Acoustic guitars, and an upright bass fiddle.
> The banjo is also used.
> As to Sacred Harp singing, it was also used in Southern Gospel music,
> as Shaped Note singing.
> This is what it is.
> You know the scale, from middle C, up to the next octave.
> "Doe, Ray, me, fa, so, la ti, doe."
> Whatever harmony part you sang, you'd sing it in the scale, instead of
> the words to the song.
> I'll find a Shaped Note song, on Youtube, so you can hear what I'm
> talking about.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 11/26/11, Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, I can't rightly tell you about everything on the LP, but here's a
>> sample.  There is an example of lining in which the song leader recites
>> the
>> first line of a hymn, in this case "Hosanna, Jesus Reigns," and then the
>> congregation sings it.  Then the song leader recites the second line and
>> then the congregation sings that also, and so on until the song is
>> finished.
>> This recording was originally made by Elder LaSeer (not sure of spelling)
>> in
>> a Primitive Baptist Church somewhere in western North Carolina in 1961.
>> There is also another Primitive Baptist song entitled "The Lord Will
>> Provide," recorded by Elder Bradley in Lone Pine KY in 1971.  Judging by
>> the
>> acoustics it sounds like it might have been recorded in a tent or an
>> outdoor
>> venue.  Then there is a song sung by 12 bearded Old Order Amish people
>> from
>> Colona, Iowa near Cedar Rapids, originally recorded in 1943 by Alton S.
>> Bach
>> and Addison Bach.  That's just a sample.
>>
>> As to other religious albums (when the LOC issued them to the general
>> public), there is one entitled "Children of the Heavenly King: Religious
>> Expressions of the Central Blue Ridge," originally issued in 1981 and
>> featuring Primitive Baptist and other rural expressions of one's
>> Christianity in areas of southwestern Virginia and northwestern North
>> Carolina, encompassing the Virginia counties of Carrol, Grayson and Floyd
>> and, in North Carolina, Ash and Wilts.  There is also an album of Alabama
>> Sacred Harp Singing, which has nothing to do with the stringed instrument
>> but is a unique style of a capella singing.  This was one of the early
>> collections of the late Alan Lomax, originally recorded in Birmingham in
>> August 1942 during the 37th Alabama Sacred Harp Singing Convention.  Ditto
>> for the song by Brother Claude Ely, although they used guitars and at
>> least
>> one mandolin.  For those of you who might be members of a chat community
>> called Out of Sight, have a working microphone and soundcard, would be
>> delighted to go into one of the audio chatrooms over there during the day
>> when nothing is going on.  Just let me know in a reasonable amount of
>> time,
>> and would be more than glad to let you hear this admittedly unique and
>> little-known form of singing.  Your Christian brother, Paul
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 6:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely from
>> Joshua
>>
>>
>>> Paul,
>>> I haven't heard of this album or singer.
>>> I didn't know the Library of congress issued religious music! I know they
>>> did folk tunes and some by the shakers and African American spirituals,
>>> but I didn't know about the religious music. Of course some folk tunes
>>> and
>>>
>>> spirituals are somewhat religious.
>>> What else is on "Religious songs, congregational and ceremonial" album?
>>> Is
>>>
>>> it just
>>> Claude's congregation? Based on the title of the song, I assume its music
>>> is by a harp, and other songs probably instrumental; after all back then
>>> they did not have the fancy base drums, electric guitars, and sound
>>> mixing
>>>
>>> we do for todays Christian bands.
>>>
>>> Older songs are only on old fashioned technology, i.e. cassette or
>>> records.
>>> Do you know if the library of congress still has this album? Maybe we can
>>> buy a copy from them?
>>> I'll also check the internet for any songs by this individual.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Paul
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 4:58 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely from
>>> Joshua
>>>
>>> Well, Joshua, the only way I can get it to you, along with the other
>>> selections from that album, is by snail mail and via cassette as I don't
>>> have any way of burning a CD from the album itself.  If you would give me
>>> your address off list, will make you a copy and send it to you, albeit
>>> via
>>> snail mail, and I'm sure we know how slow that can be.  But, as I've
>>> always
>>> heard it said, better that way than not at all.  Paul
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:36 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on Claude Ely from
>>> Joshua
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the information!
>>>> I'm interested in this recording.
>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 11/26/11, Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> If anyone here has a copy of the album "Religious Songs, Congregational
>>>>> and
>>>>> Ceremonial," issued by the Library of Congress as part of their
>>>>> bicentennial
>>>>> celebration in 1976, Claude Ely's congregation is featured on the song
>>>>> "Little David, Play On Your Harp." The undersigned has that album.
>>>>> Paul
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