[Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site

Tue Nov 29 00:07:46 UTC 2011

paul talks about this sort of stuff in his writings, people get caught up in 
the arguments of the man made doctrine and they lose sight of the truth of 
the Gospel, legalism and beating folks over the head with your beliefs is 
not the way to do it.  each of us can discern on our own what we believe, 
the arguing over the end times propehcies gets on my nerves, we ar to live 
Christ like lives, we are to share Christs love and serve Him with all our 
hearts, souls minds and bodies, we are to love others and He first loved us, 
the idea that you have to believe one or the other end time prophecy is 
bogus in my mind and has nothing to do with your salvation, going to a 
church of your choice that is a bible based church and teachings the truth 
as the Bible presents it and you like the style of music and the teachings 
there for yourself and your family is your choice, no one can tell you what 
to do and what to believe, a lot of folks will not go to church because of 
the legalism that folks walk around shoving down  their throats, i have many 
friends that willnt go to church for these reasons, they donot want to be 
beaten over the head with having to decide which end times prophecy they 
have to believe and which Bible teacher they should or should not listen to, 
our salvation is based on our belief in christ and through nothing of 
ourselves, it is through the grace of God that we are saved.
all  of this other stuff just gives folks something to argue about and try 
to prove they are right about instead of serving God and others and loving 
their neighbors and seeking after God and as to drinking ans smoking and 
such, anything in excess is wrong, our bodies are the temple of God and 
weare to treat it as such, overeating is considered a sin because of what it 
does to that temple. i am tired of the folks who judge us based on which 
teacher we like or don't like, wheter we believe in the rapture or not and 
whether we believe in once saved always saved, if you are saved, you are 
saved, we are a work in progress and willnot be fully like Christ till we 
get to heaven, no one is perfect and nothing we can do no belief we have or 
church we go to does anything to change our salvation unless we did not 
believe in the first place, that having been said, if a person says theya re 
a Christian and they still live a life of sin then we are to pray for them 
and let god take care of it, some folks struggle with things and it takes 
God to fix those struggles and we are to  pray and pray not judge and insult 
and hurl accusasions at them.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
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Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site

Joshua,
I'm not sure my opinion of predestination. Yes I have heard the phrase once
saved, always saved.
I went  over so many things in Sunday school. I think Methodists
believe you have to believe in Christ as savior to be saved and go to heaven
in the after life.
Yes I have Baptist friends and some family is Baptist down south; they do
believe in predestination.

I'm interested in actually reading Wesley's sermons/commentarys and
teachings but have not found any in accessible format.
As to people that do sinful stuff on earth like you mentioned: smoking,
overdrinking,
having affairs, etc I wonder if they really go to heaven? I think only God
knows.
I believe one should follow the Bible and be an overall good person. One
should volunteer in the community and serve the Lord.
Doing harmful things to one's body such as smoking, drugs, and too much
alcohol is sinful and IMO not living a Christian life.

I'm pretty open to faith. I don't believe in what every preacher says. Nor
do I subscribe to any one doctrine associated with one church branch. I grew
up Methodist, but I think now I'm just a Christian and listen to several
preachers. I will pick one church if I have kids as I want to raise them in
one Protestant church. It will likely be Methodist. But who knows. It might
be Baptist. Whereever I feel comfortable
with the worship style and social atmosphere I'll go.
For instance, I will not go to a service with so called Christian rock!
Nor would I go to one wich did not use instruments for worship. I would want
a pastor who quoted the scripture a lot.

The after life and predestination stuff is a controversy in the Christianity
branches.
I guess its up to God to judge our lives.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Lester
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:21 PM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site

John Calvin was a Frenchman, that taught many false teachings.
Here's a quote from Calvin, that turns me away from his doctrine.
"There are babies in Hell, the size of the span of a man's hand."
He believed in predestination.
Most of your baptist friends, (mainly those of Charles Stanley's
persuasion,) believe in some form of predestination.
One form is Unconditional Eternal Security, which, (if you were a
Wesleyan Methodist,) you would have heard the phrase, Once Saved
Always Saved.
This means, no matter what you do, you can still go to Heaven if you
were once saved.
This means, that there's no such thing as a backslider.
You can smoke, drink, fornicate, and do everything in the world, and
still make Heaven, while you're in sin.
Whatever happened to holiness, and separation?
I miss old time Holiness, and Wesleyan preaching!
Blessings, Joshua

On 11/28/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Jeannette,
> Yes. When I heard him, he doesn't have a rambling style like some bible
> teachers.
> He also backs up what he says with tons of scripture as well as the
> historical
> context. That is what is appealing. I also listen to other preachers of 
> the
> Baptist faith and nondenominational ones as well on our Christian radio
> station. I like them for various reasons. People such as Charles Stanley 
> and
> David Jeremiah are just a few of them.
> So he is a Calvinist. I didn't know that before this list; the radio 
> station
> did not say, so I thought he might be nondenominational.
> What does that mean? I know there was a guy named something Calvin after 
> the
> Protestant reformation. But its been so long since I studied the Middle 
> ages
> and Renaissance that I forget what exactly Calvin did or what he founded. 
> He
> was British is what I recall.
>
> What is this  monthly teaching on CD about? Is it free?
> The website did have some articles from the magazine, but I don't believe
> it’s
> the full magazine.
>
> Ashley
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeanette
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:11 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>
> i have heard that the classes are accessable, if not i am sure they would
> work to see that they could be, R.C. Sproul is amazing, i get his monthly
> teaching on cd and enjoy it a lot, he is amazing and so knowledgable in 
> the
> Bible, he is  of course a Calvinist, and all of his teachings are backed 
> up
> by tons and tons of scripture in context with historical info  included, i
> do get the monthly magazine which is easy to read with kurzweil.
> ligonier.org is how i think it is spelled, let me go look.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "for the discussion of faith and religion Faith-talk"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 12:22 PM
> Subject: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Jeanette said in the magazine thread
>>
>> you can also go on ligoneir.org to read the Tabletalk magazine by R. C.
>> Sproul if he is your cup of tea.
>>
>> I think this is the wrong spelling as that site did not work. Anyone know
>> his site? I was on it one time but forget its address; I linked from one
>> website to his.
>> He is good; I listen to his study broadcast called Renewing your mind.
>> I don’t think the Tabletalk magazine is fully online; but better some 
>> than
>>
>> none. The articles are the current issue, but it’s a sampling of the hard
>> copy magazine.
>>
>> Also has anyone taken his bible online classes? Are they accessible? I
>> don’t
>> have time to do it now, but might someday and was curious to know if it
>> worked with screen readers.
>>
>> Ashley
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