[Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing

Joshua Lester jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu
Wed Nov 30 22:57:07 UTC 2011


Encidently, the group 4Him, actually came out of the group, Truth, in
the early 1990's, and retired, 5 years ago.
Another group I liked when they first came on the sceen, was the Newsboys.
Now, I don't care for them.
I miss the original group.
Blessings, Joshua

On 11/30/11, Joshua Lester <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote:
> Truth, White Heart, Caedmond's Call, Petrah, and Carman are
> Contemporary Christian artists.
> The Emperials started off Southern Gospel, in the 1960's, but went
> into Contemporary in the 1970's.
> These other artists performed in the 80's, and 90's.
> Harvest is another CCM band.
> First Call, and Second Chapter of Acts, also come to mind, from the
> 80's and 90's.
> This music was popular, until Kirk Franklin came along, and stole the show.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 11/30/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Karen,
>>
>> Who are these bands? Southern gospel?
>> These are the ones and I did not know about them.
>> What do you mean by  back in that era?
>>
>>
>> Truth
>> Petra
>> White Heart
>> Caedmon's Call
>> Imperials
>> Harvest
>> Carman
>>
>> I think I have heard Take Six.
>> So many praise bands; I don't keep track of who sings what usually.
>>
>> As to Church of Christ, can anyone comment from that denomination? We have
>> a
>> lot of Baptists on list, I think.
>> In my research so far, I found out that
>> they do not use instruments as Joshua pointed out. Further they do not
>> use
>> incense or candles. Any singing is done by voice only.
>> That can be pretty if people sing on key. I don't know much about that
>> church. It’s the first I've heard of that does not use instrumental music
>> as
>> part of worship.
>> Quite interesting.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: karin
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 3:23 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>>
>> There is also another band back in that era and they are called truth.
>> Petra did retire too soon.  Blessings to you
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Joshua Lester
>>   To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>   Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 5:22 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>>
>>
>>   Petra was a good group.
>>   They retired too soon!
>>   Another favorite was White Heart.
>>   I also love Caedmons Call, and Take Six.
>>   My cousin, Mark Farrow wrote a song for the Imperials, (Old Buddha.)
>>   Blessings, Joshua
>>
>>   On 11/29/11, karin <karinjhar at att.net> wrote:
>>   > There is also a group called the Imperials and a group called
>> Harvest.
>> Have
>>   > you also heard of petra?  They are very good.
>>   >   ----- Original Message -----
>>   >   From: Joshua Lester
>>   >   To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>   >   Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 3:09 PM
>>   >   Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>>   >
>>   >
>>   >   Point of Grace is originally from Arkansas.
>>   >   They only come here, for a women's conference, so I can't attend,
>> (LOL.)
>>   >   Carman is another one of my favorites.
>>   >   Back to the Church Of Christ's singing, there's a group called
>> Glad,
>>   >   that sings A Capello Christian music.
>>   >   They're pretty good!
>>   >   Blessings, Joshua
>>   >
>>   >   On 11/29/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>   >   > thanks. I'll check for a wow christmas 2011 then.
>>   >   >
>>   >   > -----Original Message-----
>>   >   > From: karin
>>   >   > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:51 PM
>>   >   > To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>   >   > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>>   >   >
>>   >   > I do not know if the wow christmas is the first wow christmas or
>> not.
>>   > But
>>   >   > this one was compuled this year.
>>   >   >   ----- Original Message -----
>>   >   >   From: Ashley Bramlett
>>   >   >   To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>   >   >   Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:00 PM
>>   >   >   Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>>   >   >
>>   >   >
>>   >   >   Karen,
>>   >   >   No. Did they make this Christmas CD for last year?
>>   >   >   I ask because wow CDs often come out via year.
>>   >   >   Ashley
>>   >   >
>>   >   >   -----Original Message-----
>>   >   >   From: karin
>>   >   >   Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:44 PM
>>   >   >   To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>   >   >   Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>>   >   >
>>   >   >   I like most of those Wow C.D.'s and have quite a few of them.
>> Have
>>   > you
>>   >   >   heard the Wow christmas C.D.
>>   >   >     ----- Original Message -----
>>   >   >     From: Ashley Bramlett
>>   >   >     To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>   >   >     Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 1:29 PM
>>   >   >     Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>>   >   >
>>   >   >
>>   >   >     praise and worship songs are contemporary Christian songs. I
>> like
>>   > them
>>   >   >   too.
>>   >   >     They come out out on the Wow cds.
>>   >   >
>>   >   >     -----Original Message-----
>>   >   >     From: karin
>>   >   >     Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:18 PM
>>   >   >     To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>   >   >     Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>>   >   >
>>   >   >     Some Christian rock is great.  It's like all music there is
>> some
>>   > good
>>   >   > some
>>   >   >     bad.  I have favorite songs and I like certain types of
>> christian
>>   > music
>>   >   >   most
>>   >   >     preferrably praise and worship songs.  Ashley, do y ou sing
>> in
>> your
>>   >   > church
>>   >   >     music.
>>   >   >       ----- Original Message -----
>>   >   >       From: Ashley Bramlett
>>   >   >       To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>   >   >       Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 12:43 PM
>>   >   >       Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>>   >   >
>>   >   >
>>   >   >       ddon't agree. The contemporary Christian music is in all
>> keys;
>>   > some
>>   >   >   high,
>>   >   >       others medium or low.
>>   >   >       Their guys, ladies, or a mix. For instance Casting Crowns
>> is
>> men
>>   > and
>>   >   >   they
>>   >   >       sing in a low key.
>>   >   >       Also Mercy Me is another group and I did not hear high
>> notes
>>   > there. I
>>   >   >     don't
>>   >   >       really have a favorite group, but I do have favorite songs.
>>   >   >       I cannot always match the high pitch of the ladies, but I'm
>> not
>>   > the
>>   >   > best
>>   >   >       singer anyway. Singing is definitely for everyone.
>>   >   >       That is why there are usually different keys to sing in and
>> in
>> a
>>   > choir
>>   >   >     there
>>   >   >       are different parts; some do soprano, others alto or
>> baritone.
>>   >   >       But what I cannot stand is so called Christian rock; that
>> to
>> me
>>   > has to
>>   >   >   go
>>   >   >       and I do not find that at all sounding Christian; and the
>>   > instruments
>>   >   >   are
>>   >   >     so
>>   >   >       loud that you cannot hear the lyrics.
>>   >   >       Christian rock has come about to appeal to young adults
>> like
>> my
>>   > age.
>>   >   > But
>>   >   >     it
>>   >   >       certainly does not appeal to me!
>>   >   >
>>   >   >       Ashley
>>   >   >
>>   >   >       -----Original Message-----
>>   >   >       From: Ryan Kwaak
>>   >   >       Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 12:42 PM
>>   >   >       To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>   >   >       Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Church of Christ singing
>>   >   >
>>   >   >       Hey Debbie if I might capitalize on that last comment about
>>   > singing
>>   >   >       being for everyone. Yes gospel singing should indeed be for
>>   > everyone,
>>   >   >       but most contemporary worship or 7-11 songs are intended
>> for
>> high
>>   >   >       sopranos. I've found that if I were singing southern gospel
>> I
>> can
>>   > find
>>   >   >       a harmony that fits my range even though I may be in the
>> middle
>>   >   >       between baritone and bass. But at the church I won't be
>> attending
>>   > when
>>   >   >       I move out, they sing contemporary music which is way
>> harder
>> for
>>   > me to
>>   >   >       fit in with. Joshua is right; 7-11 songs have got to go.
>>   >   >
>>   >   >       On 11/28/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>   >   >       > Hi Paul,
>>   >   >       >
>>   >   >       > I went to the second link wich is gbn .
>>   >   >       > How do you get to the music? I clicked on archive and
>> there
>> is a
>>   >   > link
>>   >   >     for
>>   >   >       > signing  their guest book and bible studies. I didn't see
>> the
>>   > music,
>>   >   >       > unless
>>   >   >       > its oon one of the videos in the archive.
>>   >   >       >
>>   >   >       > Ashley
>>   >   >       >
>>   >   >       > -----Original Message-----
>>   >   >       > From: Paul
>>   >   >       > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:51 AM
>>   >   >       > To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>   >   >       > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Shape note singing
>>   >   >       >
>>   >   >       > If you want to hear Church of Christ congregational
>> singing,
>> you
>>   > can
>>   >   >     hear
>>   >   >       > them on http://www.christiantuner.com under their "a
>> capella"
>>   >   > channel.
>>   >   >       > Additionally, if you want to view congregational singing
>> from
>>   > them
>>   >   > go
>>   >   >   to
>>   >   >       > http://www.gbntv.org.  Paul
>>   >   >       > ----- Original Message -----
>>   >   >       > From: "Debbie Brown" <63characters at comcast.net>
>>   >   >       > To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>   >   >       > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>   >   >       > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:34 AM
>>   >   >       > Subject: [Faith-talk] Shape note singing
>>   >   >       >
>>   >   >       >
>>   >   >       > Shape note singing is still done in the nonistrumental
>> Churches
>>   > of
>>   >   >     Christ.
>>   >   >       > Many of the older people know nothing else.  You can get
>>   > computer
>>   >   >     programs
>>   >   >       > that generate shape notes, but I forget the name of the
>> one
>> that
>>   >   > some
>>   >   >   of
>>   >   >       > our
>>   >   >       > song leaders used.
>>   >   >       >
>>   >   >       > the good thing about that kind of music is that singing
>> is
>> for
>>   >   >   everyone.
>>   >   >       > It
>>   >   >       > is a command in the Bible to sing, and it is not meant
>> for
>> just
>>   > a
>>   >   >       > professional choir, but for everyone.  I find people
>> mumbling
>>   > along
>>   >   >   with
>>   >   >       > an
>>   >   >       > organ not very inspiring.
>>   >   >       >
>>   >   >       > Debbie Brown
>>   >   >       >
>>   >   >       > ----- Original Message -----
>>   >   >       > From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>   >   >       > To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>   >   >       > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>   >   >       > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 6:06 PM
>>   >   >       > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] shape note significance was An
>>   > Addition to
>>   >   >       > thePoston Claude Ely from Joshua
>>   >   >       >
>>   >   >       >
>>   >   >       > Hi,
>>   >   >       > I found out that shaped note singing came from the north
>> and
>>   >   > migrated
>>   >   >     down
>>   >   >       > south and was more popular in southern churches. So when
>> we
>>   > think of
>>   >   >       > shaped
>>   >   >       > note, we think of southern gospel and southern groups
>> doing
>> it;
>>   > when
>>   >   > I
>>   >   >       > researched many groups came up in the south such as the
>>   > Wiregrass
>>   >   >   Sacred
>>   >   >       > Harp singers in Alabama.
>>   >   >       >
>>   >   >       > Ashley
>>   >   >       >
>>   >   >       >
>>   >   >       > -----Original Message-----
>>   >   >       > From: Joshua Lester
>>   >   >       > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:20 PM
>>   >   >       > To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>   >   >       > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] shape note significance was An
>>   > Addition to
>>   >   >       > thePost
>>   >   >       > on Claude Ely from Joshua
>>   >   >       >
>>   >   >       > Most Sacred Harp singing is done in Shaped Note style.
>>   >   >       > Southern Gospel was the only Shaped note style, but
>> shaped
>> notes
>>   >   > have
>>   >   >       > disappeared, lately.
>>   >   >       > This style came into Southern Gospel, through the Church
>> of
>> God,
>>   >   >       > (Cleveland, TN,) (a Pentecostal group.)
>>   >   >       > Blessings, Joshua
>>   >   >       >
>>   >   >       > On 11/27/11, Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>   >   >       >> Because of the strong influence on the Christian life of
>> the
>>   > South
>>   >   > by
>>   >   >     the
>>   >   >       >> Baptists, most probably it was that denomination, but
>> not
>>   >   > necessarily
>>   >   >       >> Southern Baptists as there are quite a few faith
>> communities
>>   > that
>>   >   > use
>>   >   >     the
>>   >   >       >> name Baptist.  At least that's what I heard.  Paul
>>   >   >       >> ----- Original Message -----
>>   >   >       >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>   >   >       >> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>> religion"
>>   >   >       >> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>   >   >       >> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:04 PM
>>   >   >       >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] shape note significance was An
>>   > Addition
>>   >   > to
>>   >   >       >> thePost
>>   >   >       >> on Claude Ely from Joshua
>>   >   >       >>
>>   >   >       >>
>>   >   >       >> So Joshua, are you saying that some Quaker groups sang
>> Sacred
>>   > Harp
>>   >   >     music?
>>   >   >       >> Also, is all Sacred Harp music in the shape note form? I
>>   > thought I
>>   >   >     heard
>>   >   >       >> Sacred harp that was not Sacred Harp sometime.
>>   >   >       >> Maybe shaped notes can be part of Sacred Harp, but does
>> not
>>   > have to
>>   >   >   be.
>>   >   >       >> What types of music has shaped note singing? I am not
>> sure
>> its
>>   >   > around
>>   >   >     in
>>   >   >       >> modern churches, except maybe some traditional southern
>>   > churches.
>>   >   >   When
>>   >   >     I
>>   >   >       >> studied music history, my dad did not know what shaped
>> note
>>   > music
>>   >   >   meant
>>   >   >       >> and
>>   >   >       >> he is from the south. We are white though; and perhaps
>> it’s
>> a
>>   > black
>>   >   >       >> church
>>   >   >       >> thing.
>>   >   >       >> Since one part  is singing the scale of Doe, ray, me
>> etc,
>> its
>>   >   > obvious
>>   >   >       >> when
>>   >   >       >> one hears shaped note singing. The other people sing the
>> words.
>>   >   >       >>
>>   >   >       >> Its my understanding that Sacred Harp singing is 1. With
>> no
>>   >   >     instruments;
>>   >   >       >> not
>>   >   >       >> sure how to spell the word for that. 2. It uses the
>> Sacred
>> Harp
>>   >   >   Hymnal.
>>   >   >       >> 3.
>>   >   >       >> The leader of the group is in the center. and 4. The
>> singing
>>   > sounds
>>   >   >       >> country-like with a nazal-like voice.
>>   >   >       >> It was common in southern churches, but I don't know
>> what
>>   >   >   denomination.
>>   >   >       >>
>>   >   >       >> Ashley
>>   >   >       >>
>>   >   >       >> -----Original Message-----
>>   >   >       >> From: Joshua Lester
>>   >   >       >> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:26 PM
>>   >   >       >> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>   >   >       >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on
>> Claude
>> Ely
>>   >   > from
>>   >   >       >> Joshua
>>   >   >       >>
>>   >   >       >> The Quakers vary from group to group.
>>   >   >       >> Our group was affiliated with the Central Yearly Meeting
>> of
>>   >   > Friends,
>>   >   >       >> out of West Field, Indiana.
>>   >   >       >> We used the same hymnal as the Church of the Nazarine.
>>   >   >       >> We, in the United Pentecostal Church International use a
>> hymnal
>>   >   >       >> called, "Sing Unto the Lord," which is not, the Sacred
>> Harp.
>>   >   >       >> In the Appelachian Mountain area, they sang Sacred Harp,
>> and
>>   > Shaped
>>   >   >       >> Note style music.
>>   >   >       >> Blessings, Joshua
>>   >   >       >>
>>   >   >       >> On 11/26/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>   >   >       >>> Joshua,
>>   >   >       >>> Am I correct that quakers song sacred harp music?
>>   >   >       >>> Are you also saying that your church uses the Sacred
>> Harp
>>   > hymnal?
>>   >   >       >>> I thought Pentecostals used their own hymnal. Perhaps,
>> though
>>   > its
>>   >   >   just
>>   >   >       >>> your
>>   >   >       >>> preference to  like
>>   >   >       >>> older songs originating in other religious sects.
>>   >   >       >>> Ashley
>>   >   >       >>>
>>   >   >       >>>
>>   >   >       >>> -----Original Message-----
>>   >   >       >>> From: Joshua Lester
>>   >   >       >>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:08 PM
>>   >   >       >>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>   >   >       >>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on
>> Claude
>>   > Ely
>>   >   > from
>>   >   >       >>> Joshua
>>   >   >       >>>
>>   >   >       >>> We don't do Sacred Harp conventions, or "All Day
>> Singing
>>   > Schools,"
>>   >   >       >>> anymore.
>>   >   >       >>> Some of your Oneness Pentecostals, (like myself,) still
>> sing
>>   > the
>>   >   >   older
>>   >   >       >>> songs, and use the hymnal.
>>   >   >       >>> We have a diferent hymnal, than the other groups.
>>   >   >       >>> Our hymns aren't the songs of the 17, and 1800's.
>>   >   >       >>> Our hymns are Southern Gospel, from Dad Speer, Albert E
>>   > Brumley,
>>   >   >   etc.
>>   >   >       >>> This, and the Black Gospel choir music is what I'd
>> prefer,
>> for
>>   >   >   Sunday
>>   >   >       >>> Morning worship service.
>>   >   >       >>> The "711" songs have got to go!
>>   >   >       >>> Blessings, Joshua
>>   >   >       >>>
>>   >   >       >>> On 11/26/11, Ashley Bramlett
>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>   > wrote:
>>   >   >       >>>> Paul,
>>   >   >       >>>> Thanks for telling us that the Loc issued religious
>> albums
>>   > to
>>   >   > the
>>   >   >       >>>> public.
>>   >   >       >>>> How many songs on this album?
>>   >   >       >>>> I might see if I can get some. Unfortunately, the
>> general
>>   > public
>>   >   >     isn't
>>   >   >       >>>> too
>>   >   >       >>>> interested in old fashioned gospel, particularly with
>> no
>>   >   >   instruments
>>   >   >       >>>> backing
>>   >   >       >>>> the singers, so you can't find these old styles of
>> music
>> at
>>   >   >   Christian
>>   >   >       >>>> music
>>   >   >       >>>> stores. Ever noticed that Christian music sold at
>> stores
>> is
>>   > often
>>   >   > a
>>   >   >       >>>> group
>>   >   >       >>>> of
>>   >   >       >>>> singers with instruments; mostly c contemporary music.
>> Its
>>   > good
>>   >   >   music
>>   >   >       >>>> IMO;
>>   >   >       >>>>
>>   >   >       >>>> I
>>   >   >       >>>> like the Wow worship cds, but I like old fashioned
>> music
>> too.
>>   >   >       >>>> This might explain why they did not convert Lps and
>> cassettes
>>   > to
>>   >   >     modern
>>   >   >       >>>> day
>>   >   >       >>>> Cds.
>>   >   >       >>>>
>>   >   >       >>>> I certainly heard of Sacred Harp singing; It is
>> pretty.
>>   >   >       >>>>
>>   >   >       >>>> It would be neat to hear a hymn done by lining.
>>   >   >       >>>> I've heard of that and think I first heard of that old
>>   > technique
>>   >   > in
>>   >   >       >>>> music
>>   >   >       >>>> class. It’s a technique, that to my knowledge, is not
>>   > practiced
>>   >   > in
>>   >   >     main
>>   >   >       >>>> line
>>   >   >       >>>> churches, and non denominational churches usually read
>> lyrics
>>   >   > from
>>   >   >   a
>>   >   >       >>>> screen
>>   >   >       >>>> rather than a hymnal.
>>   >   >       >>>> Now I'm real curious about this record! I think lining
>> would
>>   > be a
>>   >   >     great
>>   >   >       >>>> way
>>   >   >       >>>> to include everyone, not just those who can read and
>> follow a
>>   >   >   hymnal.
>>   >   >       >>>> Its not just blind people that cannot read it, its
>> others
>>   > with
>>   >   >     learning
>>   >   >       >>>> disabilities or those who cannot hold a book open and
>> read
>>   > fast
>>   >   >     enough
>>   >   >       >>>> to
>>   >   >       >>>> sing for various reasons. Lining was a practice for a
>> long
>>   > time.
>>   >   > It
>>   >   >     was
>>   >   >       >>>> used
>>   >   >       >>>> because not everyone could read a hymnal or if the
>> church
>> did
>>   > not
>>   >   >     have
>>   >   >       >>>> a
>>   >   >       >>>> hymnal.
>>   >   >       >>>> I've seen Sacred Harp singing on Youtube.
>>   >   >       >>>> I wonder if southerners still sing and have sacred
>> harp
>>   >   >   conventions?
>>   >   >       >>>>
>>   >   >       >>>> I'll make note of the other albums.
>>   >   >       >>>>
>>   >   >       >>>> Take care.
>>   >   >       >>>> Ashley
>>   >   >       >>>>
>>   >   >       >>>>
>>   >   >       >>>>
>>   >   >       >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>   >   >       >>>> From: Paul
>>   >   >       >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 6:50 PM
>>   >   >       >>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>> religion
>>   >   >       >>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on
>> Claude
>>   > Ely
>>   >   >   from
>>   >   >       >>>> Joshua
>>   >   >       >>>>
>>   >   >       >>>> Well, I can't rightly tell you about everything on the
>> LP,
>>   > but
>>   >   >   here's
>>   >   >     a
>>   >   >       >>>> sample.  There is an example of lining in which the
>> song
>>   > leader
>>   >   >     recites
>>   >   >       >>>> the
>>   >   >       >>>> first line of a hymn, in this case "Hosanna, Jesus
>> Reigns,"
>>   > and
>>   >   >   then
>>   >   >       >>>> the
>>   >   >       >>>> congregation sings it.  Then the song leader recites
>> the
>>   > second
>>   >   >   line
>>   >   >       >>>> and
>>   >   >       >>>> then the congregation sings that also, and so on until
>> the
>>   > song
>>   >   > is
>>   >   >       >>>> finished.
>>   >   >       >>>> This recording was originally made by Elder LaSeer
>> (not
>> sure
>>   > of
>>   >   >       >>>> spelling)
>>   >   >       >>>> in
>>   >   >       >>>> a Primitive Baptist Church somewhere in western North
>>   > Carolina in
>>   >   >     1961.
>>   >   >       >>>> There is also another Primitive Baptist song entitled
>> "The
>>   > Lord
>>   >   >   Will
>>   >   >       >>>> Provide," recorded by Elder Bradley in Lone Pine KY in
>> 1971.
>>   >   >   Judging
>>   >   >       >>>> by
>>   >   >       >>>> the
>>   >   >       >>>> acoustics it sounds like it might have been recorded in
>> a
>>   > tent or
>>   >   >   an
>>   >   >       >>>> outdoor
>>   >   >       >>>> venue.  Then there is a song sung by 12 bearded Old
>> Order
>>   > Amish
>>   >   >     people
>>   >   >       >>>> from
>>   >   >       >>>> Colona, Iowa near Cedar Rapids, originally recorded in
>> 1943
>>   > by
>>   >   >   Alton
>>   >   >     S.
>>   >   >       >>>> Bach
>>   >   >       >>>> and Addison Bach.  That's just a sample.
>>   >   >       >>>>
>>   >   >       >>>> As to other religious albums (when the LOC issued them
>> to
>> the
>>   >   >   general
>>   >   >       >>>> public), there is one entitled "Children of the
>> Heavenly
>>   > King:
>>   >   >       >>>> Religious
>>   >   >       >>>> Expressions of the Central Blue Ridge," originally
>> issued
>> in
>>   > 1981
>>   >   >   and
>>   >   >       >>>> featuring Primitive Baptist and other rural
>> expressions
>> of
>>   > one's
>>   >   >       >>>> Christianity in areas of southwestern Virginia and
>>   > northwestern
>>   >   >   North
>>   >   >       >>>> Carolina, encompassing the Virginia counties of
>> Carrol,
>>   > Grayson
>>   >   > and
>>   >   >       >>>> Floyd
>>   >   >       >>>> and, in North Carolina, Ash and Wilts.  There is also
>> an
>>   > album of
>>   >   >       >>>> Alabama
>>   >   >       >>>> Sacred Harp Singing, which has nothing to do with the
>>   > stringed
>>   >   >       >>>> instrument
>>   >   >       >>>> but is a unique style of a capella singing.  This was
>> one
>> of
>>   > the
>>   >   >     early
>>   >   >       >>>> collections of the late Alan Lomax, originally
>> recorded
>> in
>>   >   >   Birmingham
>>   >   >       >>>> in
>>   >   >       >>>> August 1942 during the 37th Alabama Sacred Harp
>> Singing
>>   >   > Convention.
>>   >   >       >>>> Ditto
>>   >   >       >>>> for the song by Brother Claude Ely, although they used
>>   > guitars
>>   >   > and
>>   >   >   at
>>   >   >       >>>> least
>>   >   >       >>>> one mandolin.  For those of you who might be members of
>> a
>>   > chat
>>   >   >       >>>> community
>>   >   >       >>>> called Out of Sight, have a working microphone and
>> soundcard,
>>   >   > would
>>   >   >     be
>>   >   >       >>>> delighted to go into one of the audio chatrooms over
>> there
>>   > during
>>   >   >   the
>>   >   >       >>>> day
>>   >   >       >>>> when nothing is going on.  Just let me know in a
>> reasonable
>>   >   > amount
>>   >   >   of
>>   >   >       >>>> time,
>>   >   >       >>>> and would be more than glad to let you hear this
>> admittedly
>>   >   > unique
>>   >   >     and
>>   >   >       >>>> little-known form of singing.  Your Christian brother,
>> Paul
>>   >   >       >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>   >   >       >>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>   >   >       >>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>> religion"
>>   >   >       >>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>   >   >       >>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 6:19 PM
>>   >   >       >>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on
>> Claude
>>   > Ely
>>   >   >   from
>>   >   >       >>>> Joshua
>>   >   >       >>>>
>>   >   >       >>>>
>>   >   >       >>>>> Paul,
>>   >   >       >>>>> I haven't heard of this album or singer.
>>   >   >       >>>>> I didn't know the Library of congress issued
>> religious
>>   > music! I
>>   >   >   know
>>   >   >       >>>>> they
>>   >   >       >>>>> did folk tunes and some by the shakers and African
>> American
>>   >   >       >>>>> spirituals,
>>   >   >       >>>>> but I didn't know about the religious music. Of
>> course
>> some
>>   > folk
>>   >   >     tunes
>>   >   >       >>>>> and
>>   >   >       >>>>>
>>   >   >       >>>>> spirituals are somewhat religious.
>>   >   >       >>>>> What else is on "Religious songs, congregational and
>>   > ceremonial"
>>   >   >       >>>>> album?
>>   >   >       >>>>> Is
>>   >   >       >>>>>
>>   >   >       >>>>> it just
>>   >   >       >>>>> Claude's congregation? Based on the title of the song,
>> I
>>   > assume
>>   >   >   its
>>   >   >       >>>>> music
>>   >   >       >>>>> is by a harp, and other songs probably instrumental;
>> after
>>   > all
>>   >   >   back
>>   >   >       >>>>> then
>>   >   >       >>>>> they did not have the fancy base drums, electric
>> guitars,
>>   > and
>>   >   >   sound
>>   >   >       >>>>> mixing
>>   >   >       >>>>>
>>   >   >       >>>>> we do for todays Christian bands.
>>   >   >       >>>>>
>>   >   >       >>>>> Older songs are only on old fashioned technology,
>> i.e.
>>   > cassette
>>   >   > or
>>   >   >       >>>>> records.
>>   >   >       >>>>> Do you know if the library of congress still has this
>> album?
>>   >   > Maybe
>>   >   >     we
>>   >   >       >>>>> can
>>   >   >       >>>>> buy a copy from them?
>>   >   >       >>>>> I'll also check the internet for any songs by this
>>   > individual.
>>   >   >       >>>>>
>>   >   >       >>>>> Ashley
>>   >   >       >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>   >   >       >>>>> From: Paul
>>   >   >       >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 4:58 PM
>>   >   >       >>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>> religion
>>   >   >       >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on
>> Claude
>>   > Ely
>>   >   >   from
>>   >   >       >>>>> Joshua
>>   >   >       >>>>>
>>   >   >       >>>>> Well, Joshua, the only way I can get it to you, along
>> with
>>   > the
>>   >   >   other
>>   >   >       >>>>> selections from that album, is by snail mail and via
>>   > cassette as
>>   >   > I
>>   >   >       >>>>> don't
>>   >   >       >>>>> have any way of burning a CD from the album itself.
>> If
>> you
>>   >   > would
>>   >   >     give
>>   >   >       >>>>> me
>>   >   >       >>>>> your address off list, will make you a copy and send
>> it
>> to
>>   > you,
>>   >   >     albeit
>>   >   >       >>>>> via
>>   >   >       >>>>> snail mail, and I'm sure we know how slow that can
>> be.
>> But,
>>   > as
>>   >   >   I've
>>   >   >       >>>>> always
>>   >   >       >>>>> heard it said, better that way than not at all.  Paul
>>   >   >       >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>   >   >       >>>>> From: "Joshua Lester"
>> <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>   >   >       >>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and
>> religion"
>>   >   >       >>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>   >   >       >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:36 PM
>>   >   >       >>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An Addition to the Post on
>> Claude
>>   > Ely
>>   >   >   from
>>   >   >       >>>>> Joshua
>>   >   >       >>>>>
>>   >   >       >>>>>
>>   >   >       >>>>>> Thanks for the information!
>>   >   >       >>>>>> I'm interested in this recording.
>>   >   >       >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua
>>   >   >       >>>>>>
>>   >   >       >>>>>> On 11/26/11, Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>   >   >       >>>>>>> If anyone here has a copy of the album "Religious
>> Songs,
>>   >   >       >>>>>>> Congregational
>>   >   >       >>>>>>> and
>>   >   >       >>>>>>> Ceremonial," issued by the Library of Congress as
>> part
>> of
>>   >   > their
>>   >   >       >>>>>>> bicentennial
>>   >   >       >>>>>>> celebration in 1976, Claude Ely's congregation is
>> featured
>>   > on
>>   >   >   the
>>   >   >       >>>>>>> song
>>   >   >       >>>>>>> "Little David, Play On Your Harp." The undersigned
>> has
>>   > that
>>   >   >   album.
>>   >   >       >>>>>>> Paul
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