[Faith-talk] Wesley brothers was R.C. Sproul's magazine and site

Wed Nov 30 23:54:47 UTC 2011

Luther was back in the 14, and 1500's.
He tried to reform the Roman Catholic Church, which led to the
Protestant Reformation.
Blessings, Joshua

On 11/30/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Joshua,
> thanks for clarifying. I heard Charles Wesley wrote
> hymns. I didn't know he wrote one of my favorites: hark the harold angel
> sing. Good to know.
>
> Thanks for providing the website in your other email. I didn't know
> where I could find Wesley sermons.
>
> I hear reference to Church of England. Is that the church that Luther tried
> to "reform". Also, is the term Anglican the same as church of england?
> I am trying to get some terms straight.
>
> Ashley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Lester
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 6:02 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>
> Wesley, and Fox both came out of the Church of England.
> The Wesley Brothers were like Paul and Cylass, in the Jail cell.
> John preached, and Charles, (his brother,) sang, and wrote hymns.
> Charles wrote, "Hark, the Herald Angels Sing."
> George Fox founded the Friends movement, (AKA the Quakers.)
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 11/30/11, Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The Wesley family were all Anglican or members of the Church of England.
>> Paul
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 4:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>>
>>
>> Joshua,
>> Do you mean John Wesley?
>> What does he have to do with George Fox?
>> You said you read Calvinist and Quaker preachers and then mention these
>> names.
>>
>> If we are talking about the same Wesley, he founded the Methodist church,
>> but may have been Quaker; not sure.
>> His teachings do line up with scripture.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua Lester
>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:46 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>>
>> Predestination is for the church, as a group, not individual
>> predestination.
>> I have read writings by both Calvinists, and Quaker preachers, (I came
>> out of the Quaker church.)
>> I find Wesley's beliefs supported with scripture, and in my oppinion,
>> Wesley, and George Fox line up more with scripture, than Calvin.
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 11/28/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> gee joshua here we go again with you judging folks and telling us who is
>>> wrong and who is right, you are blessed that the folks on here who do not
>>> agree with you don't call your favorite teachers such things, once again
>>> you
>>> do not understand the calvinist teachings, you are taking one scripture
>>> and
>>> trying to create doctrine out of it or listening to folks and taking
>>> their
>>> word for it, you need to read all scripture in context, once saved always
>>> saved is a very missunderstood doctrine as well, if a person is saved and
>>> back slides permanently then maybe they were never actually saved, and
>>> the
>>> idea of predestination is supported by just as many scriptures as your
>>> beliefs are supported by, so it is up to each of us as Christians who
>>> have
>>> the Holy Spirit dwelling is us to read, pray and listen to teachings and
>>> discern what we believ to be true, it is overwhelmingly irritating to
>>> have
>>> you a very very young person and a very very young Christian to sit here
>>> and
>>> tell us all what is true and what is not true, you are not the end all be
>>> all authority, and you just keep insulting folks and judging them based
>>> on
>>> what you ahve been taught, others might think you are wrong and
>>> missinformed
>>> you know? be kind and gentle in spirit, you can share your beliefs but as
>>> has been said before on this list, quit telling us what is a fact based
>>> on
>>> your own personal beliefs
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 4:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>>>
>>>
>>> John Calvin was a Frenchman, that taught many false teachings.
>>> Here's a quote from Calvin, that turns me away from his doctrine.
>>> "There are babies in Hell, the size of the span of a man's hand."
>>> He believed in predestination.
>>> Most of your baptist friends, (mainly those of Charles Stanley's
>>> persuasion,) believe in some form of predestination.
>>> One form is Unconditional Eternal Security, which, (if you were a
>>> Wesleyan Methodist,) you would have heard the phrase, Once Saved
>>> Always Saved.
>>> This means, no matter what you do, you can still go to Heaven if you
>>> were once saved.
>>> This means, that there's no such thing as a backslider.
>>> You can smoke, drink, fornicate, and do everything in the world, and
>>> still make Heaven, while you're in sin.
>>> Whatever happened to holiness, and separation?
>>> I miss old time Holiness, and Wesleyan preaching!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 11/28/11, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Jeannette,
>>>> Yes. When I heard him, he doesn't have a rambling style like some bible
>>>> teachers.
>>>> He also backs up what he says with tons of scripture as well as the
>>>> historical
>>>> context. That is what is appealing. I also listen to other preachers of
>>>> the
>>>> Baptist faith and nondenominational ones as well on our Christian radio
>>>> station. I like them for various reasons. People such as Charles Stanley
>>>> and
>>>> David Jeremiah are just a few of them.
>>>> So he is a Calvinist. I didn't know that before this list; the radio
>>>> station
>>>> did not say, so I thought he might be nondenominational.
>>>> What does that mean? I know there was a guy named something Calvin after
>>>> the
>>>> Protestant reformation. But its been so long since I studied the Middle
>>>> ages
>>>> and Renaissance that I forget what exactly Calvin did or what he
>>>> founded.
>>>> He
>>>> was British is what I recall.
>>>>
>>>> What is this  monthly teaching on CD about? Is it free?
>>>> The website did have some articles from the magazine, but I don't
>>>> believe
>>>> it’s
>>>> the full magazine.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Jeanette
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:11 PM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>>>>
>>>> i have heard that the classes are accessable, if not i am sure they
>>>> would
>>>> work to see that they could be, R.C. Sproul is amazing, i get his
>>>> monthly
>>>> teaching on cd and enjoy it a lot, he is amazing and so knowledgable in
>>>> the
>>>> Bible, he is  of course a Calvinist, and all of his teachings are backed
>>>> up
>>>> by tons and tons of scripture in context with historical info  included,
>>>> i
>>>> do get the monthly magazine which is easy to read with kurzweil.
>>>> ligonier.org is how i think it is spelled, let me go look.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "for the discussion of faith and religion Faith-talk"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 12:22 PM
>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] R.C. Sproul's magazine and site
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeanette said in the magazine thread
>>>>>
>>>>> you can also go on ligoneir.org to read the Tabletalk magazine by R. C.
>>>>> Sproul if he is your cup of tea.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think this is the wrong spelling as that site did not work. Anyone
>>>>> know
>>>>> his site? I was on it one time but forget its address; I linked from
>>>>> one
>>>>> website to his.
>>>>> He is good; I listen to his study broadcast called Renewing your mind.
>>>>> I don’t think the Tabletalk magazine is fully online; but better some
>>>>> than
>>>>>
>>>>> none. The articles are the current issue, but it’s a sampling of the
>>>>> hard
>>>>> copy magazine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also has anyone taken his bible online classes? Are they accessible? I
>>>>> don’t
>>>>> have time to do it now, but might someday and was curious to know if it
>>>>> worked with screen readers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
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