[Faith-talk] Halloween

Thu Oct 6 17:26:43 UTC 2011

witch craft is very real and alive and active in our world.  but generally 
Joshua,  it s not a huge part of the everyday activities of kids and 
halloween, as i said if you were dealing with your own children you would 
see it is not a part of the school system, it is not taught is an ok part of 
life in schools, and the little kids who are participating in halloween are 
not desiring to be withces.
now that having been said the Harry Potter thing has done a great deal more 
damage to kids than most people know, the school where my daughter went to 
4th and 5th grade used the potter stuff as an option for reading in school 
and that line of books teaches there is such a thing as good witches, my 
kids have never read any of those books and don't have the desire to do so.
 howeveri have Christian friends, with great Christian kids who have  read 
it and have no desire to be a part of witch craft.
 the Bible tells us God uses all things to work to the good of those who 
love Him.  we need to use every opportunity to show God's love to folks, 
this idea that we are ugly about halloween and preach all this stuff to 
folks makes us look foolish in some eyes, fanatical in others, and if we are 
loving in however we handle it and sometimes we let our kids dress up is 
much more effective in many ways.
 but to make a statement lie you do from time to time if folks do this or 
that they are not good Christians is judgemental and wrong.
 God knows the heart of His people, and it is God who will deal with such 
things.
 we have always tried to share our beliefs with folks and God's love rather 
than judgement and hatefulness and we have had great success with sharing 
why we don't do this or that in society.
we need like Andrew said to share the Gospel all of the time even when 
dealing with such things as Halloween, Santa Claus and the Easter bunny.
each of us has to deal with it n the way God leads us to do.
 i grew up in a family that did the whole Santa thing, Easter bunny thing 
andHalloween, i am fine, never did any witchcraft or anyting and am not 
damaged because my mom stil signs her gifts to the kids at Christmas as 
Santa Claus, my kids love her andunderstand it is a tradition with her 
andmeans nothing evil to her.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
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Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Halloween


> Pretending, and lying are the same thing.
> BTW, you say witchcraft isn't real, I beg to differ!
> I dare you to go see Brother and Sister Alvear!
> They live in the worst place in Brazil, (Northern Brazil!
> Witchdoctors, and warlocks abound in numbers.
> They have been taken hostage in their own home, twice, have had their
> churches attacked in sayances, and have seen the work of the evil one.
> On the other hand, God has been moving, and many witchdoctors have had
> the devils cast out of them, have gotten saved, and are now planting
> churches.
> They're also casting out devils, in Jesus name, and winning more
> people from that lifestyle!
> Praise God!
> He always wins!
> Nikki, I don't know if any bookstores have this stuff.
> I hope so.
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 10/6/11, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> But...  We aren't lying when we dress up.  We are telling the world
>> that we are pretending to be something.  The world knows it is just a
>> costume.  It's not like we are going around really saying: "I am a
>> real vampire."  With that arguement, you could say that actors in a
>> theater are lying when they are dressing up in their costumes.
>>
>> Also, Jesus knows what's in our hearts.  He knows if this is real to
>> us or just a game, and, to children it is just a game.  At least, I
>> would teach my children that it is all pretend.
>>
>> On 10/6/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>     Joshua.
>>> Is this documentary you speak of found in public libraries?
>>> Or maybe Christian bookstores?
>>> If it isn't available on the internet anymore, do you think these other
>>> places may have it?
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Andrew Edgcumbe
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 10:11 AM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Halloween
>>>
>>> I know we should not even par take of dressing up as something we are
>>> not that includes dressing up as whiches or pirots and things of that
>>> nature.
>>>
>>> We can be in the world but not of the world as the bible says.
>>>
>>> hallow wean is not something to fool with i believe christians true
>>> christians would not par take of the dressing up stuff and things.
>>>
>>> On 10/6/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>         But aren't you lieing to the world about who you are when you
>>>> dress
>>>> up
>>>> as something you are not?
>>>>
>>>> People on halloween pick costumes based upon their inward desires. Many
>>>> is
>>>> the girl dressed as a witch who wishes she was one, many is the boy
>>>> dressed
>>>> as a pirate who would dearly love to be that. The Bible tells us to
>>>> abstain
>>>> from the very appearance of evil. How then is dressing the part of
>>>> something
>>>> evil good and wholesome?
>>>>
>>>> Excuse: But all that imagery doesn't mean anything, it is all in fun!
>>>>
>>>> Answer: The imagery is there because it does in fact mean something. It
>>>> is
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>> representation of the inward desires of the flesh of the celebrants. 
>>>> Read
>>>> Galatians 5:19-21
>>>> . Many of those things listed as works of the flesh, that will keep us
>>>> from
>>>> being with Jesus are simply "all in fun."
>>>>
>>>> I will repeat my added phrase... You can live in this world, but not be 
>>>> a
>>>> part of it. There's a difference.
>>>> -Original Message-----
>>>> From: Julie McGinnity
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 9:23 AM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Halloween
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad John said it!
>>>>
>>>> Now...  My logic may not make sense to some of you, but I think that
>>>> Halloween is a good way of showing children that things like witches
>>>> and vampires are not real.  After all, when you dress up in costume,
>>>> the whole point is to dress up as something you are not, and I don't
>>>> see anything wrong with playing pretend as a kid.  I think studying
>>>> the roots of Halloween is a great idea though.  I was never taught as
>>>> a kid where it came from, and I think it would have been so neat to
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> I also agree about Santa and the Easter bunny.  Lying is wrong...
>>>> It's that simple...
>>>>
>>>> On 10/6/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>>>>> I think Halloween is harmless. After all, nobody believes in that 
>>>>> stuff.
>>>>> Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny are much worse. Parents lie to their
>>>>> children, and these two mythical beings obscure the true meaning of
>>>>> Christmas and Easter. No flames, please.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 07:33:43AM -0500, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>>> The Catholics started it, with an "All Hallows Eve."
>>>>>> They honored their ancestors, but the druids from the Occult took the
>>>>>> holiday, and turned it into a gory day, with ghost, goblins, and the
>>>>>> like.
>>>>>> John Hagee did a doccumentary on it, but it isn't available anymore.
>>>>>> Sister Jeanette, you may have connections to his ministry, being that
>>>>>> you're originally from Texas.
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/5/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >         Do you have kids?
>>>>>> > Do you celebrate it?
>>>>>> > Do you allow your kids to dress up and attend any school parties?
>>>>>> > What is your take on this?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Note the Halloween is a High Holy day amongst the Wiccan 
>>>>>> > (Witchcraft)
>>>>>> > religion.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Death
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Gravestones, skeletons, gruesome undead themes. So much though that
>>>>>> > it
>>>>>> > seems
>>>>>> > Halloween is a worship of death and the grave. Why the fascination
>>>>>> > with
>>>>>> > that?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Do we not serve the king of Life, who has over come death, hell and
>>>>>> > the
>>>>>> > grave? Should the children of life participate in a celebration of
>>>>>> > death?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The Philipians 4:8 Test is a doctrinally sound application of
>>>>>> > scripture
>>>>>> > Lets
>>>>>> > us apply that to Halloween (You Answer Them!):
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things 
>>>>>> > are
>>>>>> > honest,
>>>>>> > whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever
>>>>>> > things
>>>>>> > are
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any 
>>>>>> > virtue,
>>>>>> > and if
>>>>>> > there be any praise, think on these things.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 1. What is true about Halloween?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 2. What is Just About Halloween and it's trappings and traditions?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 3. Is there any purity in participating in a day of celebration 
>>>>>> > with
>>>>>> > so
>>>>>> > much
>>>>>> > that is blatantly wicked about it?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 4. What is lovely about costumes portraying axe murderers, or
>>>>>> > gravestones
>>>>>> > with skulls on them?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 5. Is there a good report to be had in overt occult 
>>>>>> > representations?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 6. What virtue is available in taking part in a day of sinful
>>>>>> > reveling?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > 7. What is praiseworthy about these activities?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > FELLOWSHIP ACTIVITIES SHOULD BE THE FOCUS IN THE BODY OF CHRIST.
>>>>>> > ESPECIALLY
>>>>>> > ON HOLIDAYS LIKE HOLLOWEEN.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Thanks for any input.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > God bless you.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
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>>>> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
>>>> Eyes for the Blind
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>> Julie McG
>>  Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
>> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
>> Eyes for the Blind
>>
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>> life."
>> John 3:16
>>
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