[Faith-talk] Halloween

Amy Ragain belovedconsecrated2god at gmail.com
Thu Oct 6 18:36:29 UTC 2011 

Joshua
do you believe in saying that pretending and lying are the same thing that kids shouldn't ever pretend and that parents should spank them or punish them in some other way when they do???
that just doesn't seem fair to me!
I did a lot of pretending as a kid...I would pretend I was a professional water acrobat in our family pool, or that my barbies were the "Little people" from the cartoon I watched with my sister...I pretended that my baby dolls were real babies and that I was the mother...i even played school with them or with my other friends...
was this all lying??
kids would be very limited on what they could and couldn't play if this was lying and they would be punished for doing/playing them!...


On Oct 6, 2011, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Lester wrote:

> Pretending, and lying are the same thing.
> BTW, you say witchcraft isn't real, I beg to differ!
> I dare you to go see Brother and Sister Alvear!
> They live in the worst place in Brazil, (Northern Brazil!
> Witchdoctors, and warlocks abound in numbers.
> They have been taken hostage in their own home, twice, have had their
> churches attacked in sayances, and have seen the work of the evil one.
> On the other hand, God has been moving, and many witchdoctors have had
> the devils cast out of them, have gotten saved, and are now planting
> churches.
> They're also casting out devils, in Jesus name, and winning more
> people from that lifestyle!
> Praise God!
> He always wins!
> Nikki, I don't know if any bookstores have this stuff.
> I hope so.
> Blessings, Joshua
> 
> On 10/6/11, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
>> But...  We aren't lying when we dress up.  We are telling the world
>> that we are pretending to be something.  The world knows it is just a
>> costume.  It's not like we are going around really saying: "I am a
>> real vampire."  With that arguement, you could say that actors in a
>> theater are lying when they are dressing up in their costumes.
>> 
>> Also, Jesus knows what's in our hearts.  He knows if this is real to
>> us or just a game, and, to children it is just a game.  At least, I
>> would teach my children that it is all pretend.
>> 
>> On 10/6/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>    Joshua.
>>> Is this documentary you speak of found in public libraries?
>>> Or maybe Christian bookstores?
>>> If it isn't available on the internet anymore, do you think these other
>>> places may have it?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Andrew Edgcumbe
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 10:11 AM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Halloween
>>> 
>>> I know we should not even par take of dressing up as something we are
>>> not that includes dressing up as whiches or pirots and things of that
>>> nature.
>>> 
>>> We can be in the world but not of the world as the bible says.
>>> 
>>> hallow wean is not something to fool with i believe christians true
>>> christians would not par take of the dressing up stuff and things.
>>> 
>>> On 10/6/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>        But aren't you lieing to the world about who you are when you
>>>> dress
>>>> up
>>>> as something you are not?
>>>> 
>>>> People on halloween pick costumes based upon their inward desires. Many
>>>> is
>>>> the girl dressed as a witch who wishes she was one, many is the boy
>>>> dressed
>>>> as a pirate who would dearly love to be that. The Bible tells us to
>>>> abstain
>>>> from the very appearance of evil. How then is dressing the part of
>>>> something
>>>> evil good and wholesome?
>>>> 
>>>> Excuse: But all that imagery doesn't mean anything, it is all in fun!
>>>> 
>>>> Answer: The imagery is there because it does in fact mean something. It
>>>> is
>>>> 
>>>> a
>>>> representation of the inward desires of the flesh of the celebrants. Read
>>>> Galatians 5:19-21
>>>> . Many of those things listed as works of the flesh, that will keep us
>>>> from
>>>> being with Jesus are simply "all in fun."
>>>> 
>>>> I will repeat my added phrase... You can live in this world, but not be a
>>>> part of it. There's a difference.
>>>> -Original Message-----
>>>> From: Julie McGinnity
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 9:23 AM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Halloween
>>>> 
>>>> I'm glad John said it!
>>>> 
>>>> Now...  My logic may not make sense to some of you, but I think that
>>>> Halloween is a good way of showing children that things like witches
>>>> and vampires are not real.  After all, when you dress up in costume,
>>>> the whole point is to dress up as something you are not, and I don't
>>>> see anything wrong with playing pretend as a kid.  I think studying
>>>> the roots of Halloween is a great idea though.  I was never taught as
>>>> a kid where it came from, and I think it would have been so neat to
>>>> me.
>>>> 
>>>> I also agree about Santa and the Easter bunny.  Lying is wrong...
>>>> It's that simple...
>>>> 
>>>> On 10/6/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>>>>> I think Halloween is harmless. After all, nobody believes in that stuff.
>>>>> Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny are much worse. Parents lie to their
>>>>> children, and these two mythical beings obscure the true meaning of
>>>>> Christmas and Easter. No flames, please.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 07:33:43AM -0500, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>>> The Catholics started it, with an "All Hallows Eve."
>>>>>> They honored their ancestors, but the druids from the Occult took the
>>>>>> holiday, and turned it into a gory day, with ghost, goblins, and the
>>>>>> like.
>>>>>> John Hagee did a doccumentary on it, but it isn't available anymore.
>>>>>> Sister Jeanette, you may have connections to his ministry, being that
>>>>>> you're originally from Texas.
>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 10/5/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>        Do you have kids?
>>>>>>> Do you celebrate it?
>>>>>>> Do you allow your kids to dress up and attend any school parties?
>>>>>>> What is your take on this?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Note the Halloween is a High Holy day amongst the Wiccan (Witchcraft)
>>>>>>> religion.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Death
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Gravestones, skeletons, gruesome undead themes. So much though that
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>> Halloween is a worship of death and the grave. Why the fascination
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Do we not serve the king of Life, who has over come death, hell and
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> grave? Should the children of life participate in a celebration of
>>>>>>> death?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The Philipians 4:8 Test is a doctrinally sound application of
>>>>>>> scripture
>>>>>>> Lets
>>>>>>> us apply that to Halloween (You Answer Them!):
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are
>>>>>>> honest,
>>>>>>> whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue,
>>>>>>> and if
>>>>>>> there be any praise, think on these things.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1. What is true about Halloween?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2. What is Just About Halloween and it's trappings and traditions?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 3. Is there any purity in participating in a day of celebration with
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>> that is blatantly wicked about it?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 4. What is lovely about costumes portraying axe murderers, or
>>>>>>> gravestones
>>>>>>> with skulls on them?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 5. Is there a good report to be had in overt occult representations?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 6. What virtue is available in taking part in a day of sinful
>>>>>>> reveling?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 7. What is praiseworthy about these activities?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> FELLOWSHIP ACTIVITIES SHOULD BE THE FOCUS IN THE BODY OF CHRIST.
>>>>>>> ESPECIALLY
>>>>>>> ON HOLIDAYS LIKE HOLLOWEEN.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for any input.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> God bless you.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>> Julie McG
>>>> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
>>>> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
>>>> Eyes for the Blind
>>>> 
>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
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>>>> John 3:16
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>> Julie McG
>> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
>> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
>> Eyes for the Blind
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>> life."
>> John 3:16
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