[Faith-talk] Halloween

Jeanette nettiecosp at yahoo.com
Thu Oct 6 23:31:46 UTC 2011 

amen Barbara, i am just tired of some folks acting like they have the 
answers to all things and yet they have no life experience to back it up.  i 
think God gives us what we need to make the decisions abut our children, we 
spend a lot of time second guessing ourselves, but wheni didn't have kids, 
and i was 36,38, and 40 when my kids were born. and i for sure thought back 
before i had them i knew everything and what i would do if i had them and 
that all went out the window when i actually had them.
if we seek God's guidance and spend time in prayer we will do the best we 
can, i think making blanket statements about what is right and what is wrong 
is foolishness.
i am for sure not damaged from celebrating Halloween as a kid and santa and 
easter bunny, do i do these things with my kids? no, but do i judge those 
who do?
 no i believe God knows our hearts and i am just tired of being criticised 
and judged by folks.
 this list as i understand it is to encourage each other in our walk with 
the Lord and to share prayer requests and ideas, not be preached to and 
judged for differing opinions. jeanette
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Halloween


> The folks who know the most about how to raise children are the ones who 
> don't have them.  Once we got ours, I realized I really didn't know 
> anything.  All my theories went out the door.  Maybe it's because you 
> spend your time second-guessing what your decision will do and what the 
> outcome will be.
> I don't think I was scarred from being a ghost one year, and some 
> Christians have no problem with their kids reading Harry Potter.  Now I'm 
> not meaning to open up another can of worms here but we, the parents, are 
> ultimately responsible for the decisions we make for our children and if 
> we truly want advice about it, we'd ask.  But this list isn't about what 
> we should or shouldn't teach or allow our children to do.
> Barbara
>
>
>
>
> Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay 
> any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose 
> any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.--John 
> F. Kennedy
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Jeanette
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 4:27 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Halloween
>
> you know joshua as it was aid on another list you are on the other day, 
> quit
> trying to tell us all how to live our lives, we each have the Holy spirit
> living within us and we can discern for ourselves what is right and wrong
> for ourselves and our families, it is annoying to have you and others tell
> us all the time ow we should live and act, i believe that is called 
> legalism
> and is one of the things that can run folks off from the Gospel if it is
> shared with rules and regulations and rights and wrongs that are not
> supported by the bible.
> i do not by any means approve of the haunted house and evil stuff that 
> some
> folks do during this season but please quit telling me what to do like you
> are some kind of authority. you are a very young man and have a lot left 
> to
> learn for yourself and have no children or anything so i think htat to 
> write
> things on the list like you are some kind of leader is frankly irritating.
> sharing your opinions is fine, just please tone it down on the orders you
> love to give us all on all of the lists you are on. jeanette
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joshua Lester" <jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 3:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Halloween
>
>
>> Christmas plays aren't like the Halloween rituals.
>> If a little boy dressed up, as a fireman, it might not be a problem,
>> but the ghosts, goblins, and Harry Potter junk has got to go!
>> Tracts are always great, to hand out anytime.
>> If you want to celebrate the holiday, cut out all of the gory stuff.
>> Don't allow your children to go to haunted houses, etc.
>> While I'm dealing with witchcraft, it is common, where I live as well.
>> Here in my hometown, there are satanists that go to the graveyards,
>> every friday night.
>> They drive by my house, every friday night, blasting that horible Rock
>> music, as they go down the road.
>> This stuff has done alot of harm to our community!
>> The crime rate had gone up, for a while, last year.
>> Things are slowly going back to normal, because they've scaled back on
>> their rituals, (but only after the neighbors got the pollice
>> involved.)
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 10/6/11, Jeanette <nettiecosp at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Barbara i think you explained it perfectly, we each have to do what we 
>>> feel
>>> is right for our family and for others, particularly those without 
>>> children
>>> to judge us for the decisions we make is  foolishness.  each of us do 
>>> what
>>> we prayerfully believe is right for our children after all, we are the 
>>> ones
>>> who answer to god for the decisions we make not the other folks around 
>>> us.
>>> jeanette
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 2:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Halloween
>>>
>>>
>>>> If I had neurotypical children, I would probably only let them attend 
>>>> the
>>>> fall fun things that the churches hold.  For my children this is too
>>>> overwhelming so we will probably trick or treat again this year because
>>>> it's a chance to interact with other people.  Last year was the first 
>>>> year
>>>>
>>>> I took them and we only went to four houses in the neighborhood.
>>>> If one chooses to let their children partake of the rituals of this
>>>> season, I think it's very important to explain to them the traditions 
>>>> of
>>>> it.
>>>> Barbara
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let every nation know whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall 
>>>> pay
>>>> any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, 
>>>> oppose
>>>> any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of 
>>>> liberty.--John
>>>>
>>>> F. Kennedy
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Andrew Edgcumbe
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 10:11 AM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Halloween
>>>>
>>>> I know we should not even par take of dressing up as something we are
>>>> not that includes dressing up as whiches or pirots and things of that
>>>> nature.
>>>>
>>>> We can be in the world but not of the world as the bible says.
>>>>
>>>> hallow wean is not something to fool with i believe christians true
>>>> christians would not par take of the dressing up stuff and things.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/6/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>         But aren't you lieing to the world about who you are when you
>>>>> dress
>>>>> up
>>>>> as something you are not?
>>>>>
>>>>> People on halloween pick costumes based upon their inward desires. 
>>>>> Many
>>>>> is
>>>>> the girl dressed as a witch who wishes she was one, many is the boy
>>>>> dressed
>>>>> as a pirate who would dearly love to be that. The Bible tells us to
>>>>> abstain
>>>>> from the very appearance of evil. How then is dressing the part of
>>>>> something
>>>>> evil good and wholesome?
>>>>>
>>>>> Excuse: But all that imagery doesn't mean anything, it is all in fun!
>>>>>
>>>>> Answer: The imagery is there because it does in fact mean something. 
>>>>> It
>>>>> is a
>>>>> representation of the inward desires of the flesh of the celebrants. 
>>>>> Read
>>>>> Galatians 5:19-21
>>>>> . Many of those things listed as works of the flesh, that will keep us
>>>>> from
>>>>> being with Jesus are simply "all in fun."
>>>>>
>>>>> I will repeat my added phrase... You can live in this world, but not 
>>>>> be a
>>>>> part of it. There's a difference.
>>>>> -Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Julie McGinnity
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 9:23 AM
>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Halloween
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm glad John said it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Now...  My logic may not make sense to some of you, but I think that
>>>>> Halloween is a good way of showing children that things like witches
>>>>> and vampires are not real.  After all, when you dress up in costume,
>>>>> the whole point is to dress up as something you are not, and I don't
>>>>> see anything wrong with playing pretend as a kid.  I think studying
>>>>> the roots of Halloween is a great idea though.  I was never taught as
>>>>> a kid where it came from, and I think it would have been so neat to
>>>>> me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also agree about Santa and the Easter bunny.  Lying is wrong...
>>>>> It's that simple...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/6/11, John J. Boyer <john at godtouches.org> wrote:
>>>>>> I think Halloween is harmless. After all, nobody believes in that 
>>>>>> stuff.
>>>>>> Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny are much worse. Parents lie to 
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> children, and these two mythical beings obscure the true meaning of
>>>>>> Christmas and Easter. No flames, please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 06, 2011 at 07:33:43AM -0500, Joshua Lester wrote:
>>>>>>> The Catholics started it, with an "All Hallows Eve."
>>>>>>> They honored their ancestors, but the druids from the Occult took 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> holiday, and turned it into a gory day, with ghost, goblins, and the
>>>>>>> like.
>>>>>>> John Hagee did a doccumentary on it, but it isn't available anymore.
>>>>>>> Sister Jeanette, you may have connections to his ministry, being 
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> you're originally from Texas.
>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/5/11, Nikki <daizies304 at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> >         Do you have kids?
>>>>>>> > Do you celebrate it?
>>>>>>> > Do you allow your kids to dress up and attend any school parties?
>>>>>>> > What is your take on this?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Note the Halloween is a High Holy day amongst the Wiccan 
>>>>>>> > (Witchcraft)
>>>>>>> > religion.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Death
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Gravestones, skeletons, gruesome undead themes. So much though 
>>>>>>> > that
>>>>>>> > it
>>>>>>> > seems
>>>>>>> > Halloween is a worship of death and the grave. Why the fascination
>>>>>>> > with
>>>>>>> > that?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Do we not serve the king of Life, who has over come death, hell 
>>>>>>> > and
>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>> > grave? Should the children of life participate in a celebration of
>>>>>>> > death?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > The Philipians 4:8 Test is a doctrinally sound application of
>>>>>>> > scripture
>>>>>>> > Lets
>>>>>>> > us apply that to Halloween (You Answer Them!):
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things 
>>>>>>> > are
>>>>>>> > honest,
>>>>>>> > whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever
>>>>>>> > things
>>>>>>> > are
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any 
>>>>>>> > virtue,
>>>>>>> > and if
>>>>>>> > there be any praise, think on these things.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > 1. What is true about Halloween?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > 2. What is Just About Halloween and it's trappings and traditions?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > 3. Is there any purity in participating in a day of celebration 
>>>>>>> > with
>>>>>>> > so
>>>>>>> > much
>>>>>>> > that is blatantly wicked about it?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > 4. What is lovely about costumes portraying axe murderers, or
>>>>>>> > gravestones
>>>>>>> > with skulls on them?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > 5. Is there a good report to be had in overt occult 
>>>>>>> > representations?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > 6. What virtue is available in taking part in a day of sinful
>>>>>>> > reveling?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > 7. What is praiseworthy about these activities?
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > FELLOWSHIP ACTIVITIES SHOULD BE THE FOCUS IN THE BODY OF CHRIST.
>>>>>>> > ESPECIALLY
>>>>>>> > ON HOLIDAYS LIKE HOLLOWEEN.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Thanks for any input.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > God bless you.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Julie McG
>>>>> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
>>>>> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
>>>>> Eyes for the Blind
>>>>>
>>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>>>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>>>>> life."
>>>>> John 3:16
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