[Faith-talk] question
Jeanette
nettiecosp at yahoo.com
Fri Apr 6 18:28:11 UTC 2012
she did not talk to a pastor, just some lady in the office, usually
volunteers i think, but we will find her a church, just not by Easter
because it is too late.
----- Original Message -----
From: "PATRICK GORMLEY" <kk3f at msn.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
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Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:15 PM
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> public education is certainly an option and it looks like we've got a ways
> to go. Normally these types of issues can be resolved through negotiation
> but if the pastor won't rock the boat, then he needs to be commanded by
> his overseer namely a bishop, elder, or whatever the denominational chain
> of command is. Jeannette, I've been a eucharistic minister for 6 years
> here in Frostburg and I've administered communion to people with white
> canes in their hands. That's just part of the job. Taking communion in
> the company of a guide dog does not constitute grounds for denial of
> communion. In my 6 years as a minister, I've only had to deny communion
> twice; once because the recipient was known to be in serious sin and
> second a person wanted to receive but because of her terminal illness
> could not swallow. Both instances were done in consultation with our
> pastor. What I suggest is if at all possible have your friend whose name
> escapes me at the moment accompany you to the board meeting and if that's
> not possible, have her get in contact with Tom directly. If Tom can't
> resolve the matter than we get Scott involved. In any event, keep us
> posted.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeanette" <nettiecosp at yahoo.com>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 1:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] question
>
>
>> no sueing is not an option, just keep looking for a church, she just
>> needs to spend time looking and praying. who wants to go toa church tht
>> is that closed minded anyway?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 11:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] question
>>
>>
>>> Suing won't work. Its only going to make the federation look bad. Your
>>> friend should keep on looking. Please Share this article with her.
>>> It is pasted below in its intirity. RJ
>>> Blind Okeechobee man 'delights' in preaching
>>> Jul 27, 2011
>>> By CAROLYN NICHOLS
>>> Newswriter
>>>
>>>
>>> HAPPY R.J. Sandefur, blind since birth, has been encouraged by his
>>> pastor, Randy Huckabee, as he prepares to preach. Courtesy photo
>>> OKEECHOBEE (FBW)-R.J. Sandefur has taken the words of Psalm 37:4 to
>>> heart. A member of First Baptist Church in Okeechobee, the 32-year-old
>>> blind man studies about the Lord and trusts God to give him "the
>>> delights" of his heart-which is to preach.
>>> "God is the only one who can call somebody into the ministry, and I know
>>> He has called me," Sandefur said.
>>> The faithful young man does not let an opportunity to preach pass by. He
>>> has preached in several churches in the Big Lake Baptist Association in
>>> pastors' absences, and he is active in his church's 10-year ministry to
>>> teenage boys in a correctional facility for juveniles in Okeechobee.
>>> "I sometimes preach, and I sometimes just listen to the boys," Sandefur
>>> told Florida Baptist Witness. "Some people say, 'Why waste your time?'
>>> But I want them to come to Jesus. I don't want anybody to go to hell,"
>>> he said.
>>> Sandefur sometimes also teaches the adult sanctuary class at First
>>> Baptist. Pastor Randy Huckabee admires his desire to serve.
>>> "If desire was everything, R.J. would be a pastor now," he told the
>>> Witness. "I tell him to stay prayed up and studied up so that when God
>>> allows, he can preach."
>>> Sandefur said he would love to meet and to follow in the paths of two of
>>> his heroes, Billy Graham and Charles Stanley.
>>> "I'd like to talk with them about serving the Lord and other things. If
>>> I don't get to meet them in this life, I'll see them in heaven," he
>>> said.
>>> Sandefur preached his first sermon in July 2004 at his home church.
>>> Using John 8:1-11, he told the story of the woman caught in adultery,
>>> stressing the Pharisees' rush to judgment and Jesus' willingness to give
>>> her a second chance. To his great joy, his mother was there to hear him
>>> preach.
>>> "My mother always said, 'I'll be on the front row when you preach your
>>> first sermon,' and she was," he said.
>>> After that sermon, Sandefur said his mom told him, "R.J., you must be a
>>> Baptist preacher because you went over by 15 minutes."
>>> Sandefur was sheltered at home by his late parents, Bobby and Margie,
>>> after his premature birth that caused his blindness. He recalled the day
>>> visitors from First Baptist's bus ministry came to their home.
>>> "They asked dad if he had kids, and he told them about my sister. My mom
>>> reminded him of me, and he told them I was blind. They said it didn't
>>> matter and they would take me, too," he said.
>>> He has attended the church from then until now except for a brief stint
>>> at the Florida School for the Deaf and Blind in St. Augustine as a small
>>> child. He returned to Okeechobee to attend fourth grade in regular
>>> public school and graduated from high school in 1999. Since then he has
>>> completed degrees at Indian River Community College and Florida Atlantic
>>> University. In 2005, he completed a ThM degree by correspondence from
>>> Andersonville Theological Seminary in Camilla, Ga., and he is working
>>> now on his doctorate from there.
>>> Studying takes up much of his time daily, although he loves to follow
>>> NASCAR races on TV, he said. He lives in the house where he grew up with
>>> his sister, Robina, her husband, Bernard Marker, and their three
>>> children.
>>> Sandefur equates his blindness with the Apostle Paul's "thorn in the
>>> flesh."
>>> "People ask me if I would want to see, but seeing now would only be
>>> temporary. When I get to heaven and see my Savior, then I will be
>>> completely whole. I think that God has given me the ability now to see
>>> things that sighted people overlook," he said.
>>> Sandefur's blindness affects his ability to get around, although special
>>> training on Saturdays is helping with that. His Bible study is made
>>> easier with a "talking Bible machine," he said. He uses a Braille King
>>> James Version Bible in the pulpit, and he tries to memorize as much
>>> Scripture as possible.
>>> Waiting on God's timing to enter the pastorate, Sandefur said his
>>> pastor, "Brother Randy," encourages him to be patient.
>>> "R.J. loves to preach. He is a good student and he writes good sermon
>>> outlines, and he can preach forever and ever amen," Huckabee said.
>>> "Pastoring will be challenge for him, but we can never discount what God
>>> can do."
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "PATRICK GORMLEY" <kk3f at msn.com>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] question
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>>>
>>>> Get in touch with Scott LaBarre out there. This is completely
>>>> unacceptable and we should shout it from the housetops. What does it
>>>> say
>>>> in James about favoritism? Seems to me they need to look at those sets
>>>> of
>>>> scriptures before they make these statements. That's completely
>>>> unacceptable and is why we have the communities of faith division.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jeanette" <nettiecosp at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 2:42 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> this happened in Colorado Springs Colorado, and my friend says that
>>>>> churches are exempt, not sure myself but find it appauling that it
>>>>> happened at all, jeanette
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "PATRICK GORMLEY" <kk3f at msn.com>
>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:12 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> first of all, churches aren't exempt from either the White Cane Law
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> the Civil Rights statutes. Which state did this occur in? A couple
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> years ago, Barbara Pierce reported on a similar circumstance at
>>>>>> Brooklyn
>>>>>> Tabernacle and these circumstances we want to hear about because
>>>>>> religious institutions are the last and probably the most entrenched
>>>>>> bastion of negative attitudes towards blind persons. I've never a
>>>>>> problem in quite sometime because I'm so active in my community that
>>>>>> people up here know me and accept me. In any event keep us posted.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Jeanette" <nettiecosp at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:14 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] question
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have a friend who has run into a snag at local churches. She has
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>dog guide and was told by two separate churches yesterday that not
>>>>>>>only
>>>>>>>would she not be allowed to take communion at church with her dog but
>>>>>>>not be allowed to sit anywhere but the back row with the dog. and as
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>matter of fact, was told by one church she would have to stand
>>>>>>>outside
>>>>>>>the sanctuary until the security guard determined it was ok for her
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>take the dog inside. She was wondering if anyone has had any kind of
>>>>>>>similar experience. Also she said on one of the dog guide list
>>>>>>>serves a
>>>>>>>person posted that she was told by a church in her area that blind
>>>>>>>folks
>>>>>>>were not the kind of folks they wanted in their congregation, really?
>>>>>>>Jeanette
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