[Faith-talk] question
PATRICK GORMLEY
kk3f at msn.com
Fri Apr 6 18:15:23 UTC 2012
public education is certainly an option and it looks like we've got a ways
to go. Normally these types of issues can be resolved through negotiation
but if the pastor won't rock the boat, then he needs to be commanded by his
overseer namely a bishop, elder, or whatever the denominational chain of
command is. Jeannette, I've been a eucharistic minister for 6 years here in
Frostburg and I've administered communion to people with white canes in
their hands. That's just part of the job. Taking communion in the company
of a guide dog does not constitute grounds for denial of communion. In my 6
years as a minister, I've only had to deny communion twice; once because the
recipient was known to be in serious sin and second a person wanted to
receive but because of her terminal illness could not swallow. Both
instances were done in consultation with our pastor. What I suggest is if
at all possible have your friend whose name escapes me at the moment
accompany you to the board meeting and if that's not possible, have her get
in contact with Tom directly. If Tom can't resolve the matter than we get
Scott involved. In any event, keep us posted.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeanette" <nettiecosp at yahoo.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
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Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] question
> no sueing is not an option, just keep looking for a church, she just needs
> to spend time looking and praying. who wants to go toa church tht is that
> closed minded anyway?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 11:27 AM
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>
>> Suing won't work. Its only going to make the federation look bad. Your
>> friend should keep on looking. Please Share this article with her.
>> It is pasted below in its intirity. RJ
>> Blind Okeechobee man 'delights' in preaching
>> Jul 27, 2011
>> By CAROLYN NICHOLS
>> Newswriter
>>
>>
>> HAPPY R.J. Sandefur, blind since birth, has been encouraged by his
>> pastor, Randy Huckabee, as he prepares to preach. Courtesy photo
>> OKEECHOBEE (FBW)-R.J. Sandefur has taken the words of Psalm 37:4 to
>> heart. A member of First Baptist Church in Okeechobee, the 32-year-old
>> blind man studies about the Lord and trusts God to give him "the
>> delights" of his heart-which is to preach.
>> "God is the only one who can call somebody into the ministry, and I know
>> He has called me," Sandefur said.
>> The faithful young man does not let an opportunity to preach pass by. He
>> has preached in several churches in the Big Lake Baptist Association in
>> pastors' absences, and he is active in his church's 10-year ministry to
>> teenage boys in a correctional facility for juveniles in Okeechobee.
>> "I sometimes preach, and I sometimes just listen to the boys," Sandefur
>> told Florida Baptist Witness. "Some people say, 'Why waste your time?'
>> But I want them to come to Jesus. I don't want anybody to go to hell," he
>> said.
>> Sandefur sometimes also teaches the adult sanctuary class at First
>> Baptist. Pastor Randy Huckabee admires his desire to serve.
>> "If desire was everything, R.J. would be a pastor now," he told the
>> Witness. "I tell him to stay prayed up and studied up so that when God
>> allows, he can preach."
>> Sandefur said he would love to meet and to follow in the paths of two of
>> his heroes, Billy Graham and Charles Stanley.
>> "I'd like to talk with them about serving the Lord and other things. If I
>> don't get to meet them in this life, I'll see them in heaven," he said.
>> Sandefur preached his first sermon in July 2004 at his home church. Using
>> John 8:1-11, he told the story of the woman caught in adultery, stressing
>> the Pharisees' rush to judgment and Jesus' willingness to give her a
>> second chance. To his great joy, his mother was there to hear him preach.
>> "My mother always said, 'I'll be on the front row when you preach your
>> first sermon,' and she was," he said.
>> After that sermon, Sandefur said his mom told him, "R.J., you must be a
>> Baptist preacher because you went over by 15 minutes."
>> Sandefur was sheltered at home by his late parents, Bobby and Margie,
>> after his premature birth that caused his blindness. He recalled the day
>> visitors from First Baptist's bus ministry came to their home.
>> "They asked dad if he had kids, and he told them about my sister. My mom
>> reminded him of me, and he told them I was blind. They said it didn't
>> matter and they would take me, too," he said.
>> He has attended the church from then until now except for a brief stint
>> at the Florida School for the Deaf and Blind in St. Augustine as a small
>> child. He returned to Okeechobee to attend fourth grade in regular public
>> school and graduated from high school in 1999. Since then he has
>> completed degrees at Indian River Community College and Florida Atlantic
>> University. In 2005, he completed a ThM degree by correspondence from
>> Andersonville Theological Seminary in Camilla, Ga., and he is working now
>> on his doctorate from there.
>> Studying takes up much of his time daily, although he loves to follow
>> NASCAR races on TV, he said. He lives in the house where he grew up with
>> his sister, Robina, her husband, Bernard Marker, and their three
>> children.
>> Sandefur equates his blindness with the Apostle Paul's "thorn in the
>> flesh."
>> "People ask me if I would want to see, but seeing now would only be
>> temporary. When I get to heaven and see my Savior, then I will be
>> completely whole. I think that God has given me the ability now to see
>> things that sighted people overlook," he said.
>> Sandefur's blindness affects his ability to get around, although special
>> training on Saturdays is helping with that. His Bible study is made
>> easier with a "talking Bible machine," he said. He uses a Braille King
>> James Version Bible in the pulpit, and he tries to memorize as much
>> Scripture as possible.
>> Waiting on God's timing to enter the pastorate, Sandefur said his pastor,
>> "Brother Randy," encourages him to be patient.
>> "R.J. loves to preach. He is a good student and he writes good sermon
>> outlines, and he can preach forever and ever amen," Huckabee said.
>> "Pastoring will be challenge for him, but we can never discount what God
>> can do."
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "PATRICK GORMLEY" <kk3f at msn.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:21 PM
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>>
>>> Get in touch with Scott LaBarre out there. This is completely
>>> unacceptable and we should shout it from the housetops. What does it
>>> say
>>> in James about favoritism? Seems to me they need to look at those sets
>>> of
>>> scriptures before they make these statements. That's completely
>>> unacceptable and is why we have the communities of faith division.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jeanette" <nettiecosp at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 2:42 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] question
>>>
>>>
>>>> this happened in Colorado Springs Colorado, and my friend says that
>>>> churches are exempt, not sure myself but find it appauling that it
>>>> happened at all, jeanette
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "PATRICK GORMLEY" <kk3f at msn.com>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:12 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> first of all, churches aren't exempt from either the White Cane Law or
>>>>> the Civil Rights statutes. Which state did this occur in? A couple
>>>>> of
>>>>> years ago, Barbara Pierce reported on a similar circumstance at
>>>>> Brooklyn
>>>>> Tabernacle and these circumstances we want to hear about because
>>>>> religious institutions are the last and probably the most entrenched
>>>>> bastion of negative attitudes towards blind persons. I've never a
>>>>> problem in quite sometime because I'm so active in my community that
>>>>> people up here know me and accept me. In any event keep us posted.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jeanette" <nettiecosp at yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 11:14 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have a friend who has run into a snag at local churches. She has a
>>>>>>dog guide and was told by two separate churches yesterday that not
>>>>>>only
>>>>>>would she not be allowed to take communion at church with her dog but
>>>>>>not be allowed to sit anywhere but the back row with the dog. and as a
>>>>>>matter of fact, was told by one church she would have to stand outside
>>>>>>the sanctuary until the security guard determined it was ok for her to
>>>>>>take the dog inside. She was wondering if anyone has had any kind of
>>>>>>similar experience. Also she said on one of the dog guide list serves
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>person posted that she was told by a church in her area that blind
>>>>>>folks
>>>>>>were not the kind of folks they wanted in their congregation, really?
>>>>>>Jeanette
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