[Faith-talk] living together before marriage

Tue Jan 31 17:54:16 UTC 2012

Gotta love that "selective theology."

"Selective Theology" is when people take the bible out of context or when
they preach one set of belief systems that directly contradicts the sum of
biblical principles.

These people really get my dander up.

Let's examine this notion that we should not tell people how to live their
lives.

Okay, true, we shouldn't tell people how to live their lives. We should,
however, show them what God says about living biblically-based and
biblically-centered lives.

You see, people can't attack God so they attack people. People know they
can't tell God that his commandments are too harsh or his rules too hard to
follow, so they tell those of us who are bold enough to speak into their
lives that we are judgmental, self-righteous bible-thumpers. Sadly, they do
this, never realizing that when they insult us, call us judgmental, claim
that we have no right to speak into people's lives, they are, in every sense
of the word, slapping God in the face with their hypocrisy.

They claim to love God, obey God, trust in God and yet, when God speaks to
them, through those who have a true desire to disciple others, they rant and
rave and say we are supposed to love people as Jesus loved people.

They miss something very important. We are commanded to follow Christ, not
in what we say, but also in what we do. If Jesus commands his "friends" to
do something or not to do something, then we, who are true Christians, will
absolutely make a faithful and earnest effort to do that.

Sometimes we fall short, sometimes we fail, but it is not because we
willfully sin in the face of what we know to be the truth.

We didn't write the book. God wrote the book and some of us deliver the
message. So, those who are opposed to the truth cannot be set free and they
try to put us in bondage by causing us to fear retribution for speaking out
against things that we know are sinful, hurtful and just plain out wrong.

Never let someone back you down from speaking the truth in love.

Speaking the truth in love does not mean we disregard the truth and become
tolerant to sin.

Jesus was not kind, meek and understanding to those who preferred religious
doctrine over the truth of biblical teaching.

Who was he speaking to when he said that people worry about the outsides of
their cups and leave the insides filthy?

He wasn't talking to the world who has no interest in Him. The Bible has no
meaning to those who don't read it. Christian teachings have no authority in
the lives of those who do not believe. So, who was he talking about?

The answer is obvious.

The message is for those who claim to be Christian but who, in truth, are
not.

The bible says that sex outside of the sanctity of marriage is sinful. That
means it is sinful. Jesus didn't say that fornication will be okay if it is
politically or financially advantageous.

That just makes me mad to hear someone say that we are judgmental and have
no right to speak the truth into people's lives.

We were commanded to do precisely that. To speak into people's lives and if
they are won over by the gospel then we have won souls and are wise. If they
don't listen, then we have done all we can do and we are to shake the dust
off of our feet and move on.

Do you have any idea how many preachers are going to go to hell because they
were concerned only with satisfying itching ears?

Woops, did I say "Hell?"

It's real and it is enlarging it's mouth.

I agree that nothing about legalism is good. I agree that we need to be
careful with regard to the impressions that we take of people.

I'm not concerned with how someone looks on the outside. I am not going to
judge them by outer appearance. However, I am going to follow the
instructions given in John 7:24 where Jesus said "do not judge by appearance
but make righteous judgments."

Did that say what I think it did? I believe that we were told that we should
make judgments but we should be sure that our judgments are based on the
things of eternal life and not material life.

The bible is full of stories of people who were required to make judgments.
Sometimes the judgments were wise and sometimes they were not. Jonah made a
bad decision based on bad judgment and he was swallowed up by a big fish.
You know what though? After three days even the fish was sick of Jonah, and
Jonah, well, he was sick of making bad judgments and bad decisions so he did
what God wanted him to do and he spoke to a vile class of people who needed
to turn from their wicked ways. 

People who say that we should not judge have no idea what they are even
saying. Something has offended their flesh, in most cases anyway, and this
is the only response they can give because they must put focus on someone
else. They think that this takes God's focus off of them, but it doesn't.
Ultimately, the day will come when we all will stand before God and give
account of our life. Some people, as unfortunate as it is, will be commanded
to depart from our Lord because he will not know them.

That is so very incredibly sad because this is not a warning to people who
have never heard the gospel, this is a warning to those who act like they
are loving God, serving God, blessing God and doing his work when the real
truth is, they are putting on a show for people to see.

Why?

Because they want to be judged! Favorably.

Ain't that a kick in the head.

Okay, just had to rant. This "do not judge" thing just sets me off.

-----Original Message-----
From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of karin
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:27 AM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] living together before marriage

It is wrong to live together before marriage whether you are blind or not.
Whoever told you that was wrong.  You should as a minister set an example
for your congregation.  
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: RJ Sandefur
  To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
  Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:24 AM
  Subject: [Faith-talk] living together before marriage

  Is it wrong for a couple to live together before they're married? I was
taught the bible forbids this practice, and when I told someone this, I was
told that being in the ministry was not American idol, and that this wasn't
some kind of power trip. I was told that I should be loving and not
judgmental, and the person told me they were living together for monetary
reasons. , and that I should not tell people it's not biblical to live
together before marriage, and that I had no right to say this. I've been a
licensed minister since 2005, and their have been some occasions, where I've
been asked to preach at church, and I wasn't paid any money. I'm not in this
for the money, I am in this to see people get saved! This was a blind person
who told me this. RJ
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