[Faith-talk] living together before marriage

Tue Jan 31 17:59:22 UTC 2012

preach the word brother.  Sometimes as christians we need to hear the truth 
and at times the truth hurts.  Lot of churches today like to preach the warm 
and fuzzy messages.  I like to be challenged.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Leslie Howard, Jr." <rex at littlelaw.com>
To: "'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion'" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] living together before marriage

> Gotta love that "selective theology."
>
> "Selective Theology" is when people take the bible out of context or when
> they preach one set of belief systems that directly contradicts the sum of
> biblical principles.
>
> These people really get my dander up.
>
> Let's examine this notion that we should not tell people how to live their
> lives.
>
> Okay, true, we shouldn't tell people how to live their lives. We should,
> however, show them what God says about living biblically-based and
> biblically-centered lives.
>
> You see, people can't attack God so they attack people. People know they
> can't tell God that his commandments are too harsh or his rules too hard 
> to
> follow, so they tell those of us who are bold enough to speak into their
> lives that we are judgmental, self-righteous bible-thumpers. Sadly, they 
> do
> this, never realizing that when they insult us, call us judgmental, claim
> that we have no right to speak into people's lives, they are, in every 
> sense
> of the word, slapping God in the face with their hypocrisy.
>
> They claim to love God, obey God, trust in God and yet, when God speaks to
> them, through those who have a true desire to disciple others, they rant 
> and
> rave and say we are supposed to love people as Jesus loved people.
>
> They miss something very important. We are commanded to follow Christ, not
> in what we say, but also in what we do. If Jesus commands his "friends" to
> do something or not to do something, then we, who are true Christians, 
> will
> absolutely make a faithful and earnest effort to do that.
>
> Sometimes we fall short, sometimes we fail, but it is not because we
> willfully sin in the face of what we know to be the truth.
>
> We didn't write the book. God wrote the book and some of us deliver the
> message. So, those who are opposed to the truth cannot be set free and 
> they
> try to put us in bondage by causing us to fear retribution for speaking 
> out
> against things that we know are sinful, hurtful and just plain out wrong.
>
> Never let someone back you down from speaking the truth in love.
>
> Speaking the truth in love does not mean we disregard the truth and become
> tolerant to sin.
>
> Jesus was not kind, meek and understanding to those who preferred 
> religious
> doctrine over the truth of biblical teaching.
>
> Who was he speaking to when he said that people worry about the outsides 
> of
> their cups and leave the insides filthy?
>
> He wasn't talking to the world who has no interest in Him. The Bible has 
> no
> meaning to those who don't read it. Christian teachings have no authority 
> in
> the lives of those who do not believe. So, who was he talking about?
>
> The answer is obvious.
>
> The message is for those who claim to be Christian but who, in truth, are
> not.
>
> The bible says that sex outside of the sanctity of marriage is sinful. 
> That
> means it is sinful. Jesus didn't say that fornication will be okay if it 
> is
> politically or financially advantageous.
>
> That just makes me mad to hear someone say that we are judgmental and have
> no right to speak the truth into people's lives.
>
> We were commanded to do precisely that. To speak into people's lives and 
> if
> they are won over by the gospel then we have won souls and are wise. If 
> they
> don't listen, then we have done all we can do and we are to shake the dust
> off of our feet and move on.
>
> Do you have any idea how many preachers are going to go to hell because 
> they
> were concerned only with satisfying itching ears?
>
> Woops, did I say "Hell?"
>
> It's real and it is enlarging it's mouth.
>
> I agree that nothing about legalism is good. I agree that we need to be
> careful with regard to the impressions that we take of people.
>
> I'm not concerned with how someone looks on the outside. I am not going to
> judge them by outer appearance. However, I am going to follow the
> instructions given in John 7:24 where Jesus said "do not judge by 
> appearance
> but make righteous judgments."
>
> Did that say what I think it did? I believe that we were told that we 
> should
> make judgments but we should be sure that our judgments are based on the
> things of eternal life and not material life.
>
> The bible is full of stories of people who were required to make 
> judgments.
> Sometimes the judgments were wise and sometimes they were not. Jonah made 
> a
> bad decision based on bad judgment and he was swallowed up by a big fish.
> You know what though? After three days even the fish was sick of Jonah, 
> and
> Jonah, well, he was sick of making bad judgments and bad decisions so he 
> did
> what God wanted him to do and he spoke to a vile class of people who 
> needed
> to turn from their wicked ways.
>
> People who say that we should not judge have no idea what they are even
> saying. Something has offended their flesh, in most cases anyway, and this
> is the only response they can give because they must put focus on someone
> else. They think that this takes God's focus off of them, but it doesn't.
> Ultimately, the day will come when we all will stand before God and give
> account of our life. Some people, as unfortunate as it is, will be 
> commanded
> to depart from our Lord because he will not know them.
>
> That is so very incredibly sad because this is not a warning to people who
> have never heard the gospel, this is a warning to those who act like they
> are loving God, serving God, blessing God and doing his work when the real
> truth is, they are putting on a show for people to see.
>
> Why?
>
> Because they want to be judged! Favorably.
>
> Ain't that a kick in the head.
>
> Okay, just had to rant. This "do not judge" thing just sets me off.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of karin
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:27 AM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] living together before marriage
>
> It is wrong to live together before marriage whether you are blind or not.
> Whoever told you that was wrong.  You should as a minister set an example
> for your congregation.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: RJ Sandefur
>  To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>  Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:24 AM
>  Subject: [Faith-talk] living together before marriage
>
>
>  Is it wrong for a couple to live together before they're married? I was
> taught the bible forbids this practice, and when I told someone this, I 
> was
> told that being in the ministry was not American idol, and that this 
> wasn't
> some kind of power trip. I was told that I should be loving and not
> judgmental, and the person told me they were living together for monetary
> reasons. , and that I should not tell people it's not biblical to live
> together before marriage, and that I had no right to say this. I've been a
> licensed minister since 2005, and their have been some occasions, where 
> I've
> been asked to preach at church, and I wasn't paid any money. I'm not in 
> this
> for the money, I am in this to see people get saved! This was a blind 
> person
> who told me this. RJ
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