[Faith-talk] living together before marriage

Tue Jan 31 18:05:28 UTC 2012

most excellent, you really hit the nail on the head, thanks, jeanette
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rex Leslie Howard, Jr." <rex at littlelaw.com>
To: "'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] living together before marriage


> Gotta love that "selective theology."
>
> "Selective Theology" is when people take the bible out of context or when
> they preach one set of belief systems that directly contradicts the sum of
> biblical principles.
>
> These people really get my dander up.
>
> Let's examine this notion that we should not tell people how to live their
> lives.
>
> Okay, true, we shouldn't tell people how to live their lives. We should,
> however, show them what God says about living biblically-based and
> biblically-centered lives.
>
> You see, people can't attack God so they attack people. People know they
> can't tell God that his commandments are too harsh or his rules too hard 
> to
> follow, so they tell those of us who are bold enough to speak into their
> lives that we are judgmental, self-righteous bible-thumpers. Sadly, they 
> do
> this, never realizing that when they insult us, call us judgmental, claim
> that we have no right to speak into people's lives, they are, in every 
> sense
> of the word, slapping God in the face with their hypocrisy.
>
> They claim to love God, obey God, trust in God and yet, when God speaks to
> them, through those who have a true desire to disciple others, they rant 
> and
> rave and say we are supposed to love people as Jesus loved people.
>
> They miss something very important. We are commanded to follow Christ, not
> in what we say, but also in what we do. If Jesus commands his "friends" to
> do something or not to do something, then we, who are true Christians, 
> will
> absolutely make a faithful and earnest effort to do that.
>
> Sometimes we fall short, sometimes we fail, but it is not because we
> willfully sin in the face of what we know to be the truth.
>
> We didn't write the book. God wrote the book and some of us deliver the
> message. So, those who are opposed to the truth cannot be set free and 
> they
> try to put us in bondage by causing us to fear retribution for speaking 
> out
> against things that we know are sinful, hurtful and just plain out wrong.
>
> Never let someone back you down from speaking the truth in love.
>
> Speaking the truth in love does not mean we disregard the truth and become
> tolerant to sin.
>
> Jesus was not kind, meek and understanding to those who preferred 
> religious
> doctrine over the truth of biblical teaching.
>
> Who was he speaking to when he said that people worry about the outsides 
> of
> their cups and leave the insides filthy?
>
> He wasn't talking to the world who has no interest in Him. The Bible has 
> no
> meaning to those who don't read it. Christian teachings have no authority 
> in
> the lives of those who do not believe. So, who was he talking about?
>
> The answer is obvious.
>
> The message is for those who claim to be Christian but who, in truth, are
> not.
>
> The bible says that sex outside of the sanctity of marriage is sinful. 
> That
> means it is sinful. Jesus didn't say that fornication will be okay if it 
> is
> politically or financially advantageous.
>
> That just makes me mad to hear someone say that we are judgmental and have
> no right to speak the truth into people's lives.
>
> We were commanded to do precisely that. To speak into people's lives and 
> if
> they are won over by the gospel then we have won souls and are wise. If 
> they
> don't listen, then we have done all we can do and we are to shake the dust
> off of our feet and move on.
>
> Do you have any idea how many preachers are going to go to hell because 
> they
> were concerned only with satisfying itching ears?
>
> Woops, did I say "Hell?"
>
> It's real and it is enlarging it's mouth.
>
> I agree that nothing about legalism is good. I agree that we need to be
> careful with regard to the impressions that we take of people.
>
> I'm not concerned with how someone looks on the outside. I am not going to
> judge them by outer appearance. However, I am going to follow the
> instructions given in John 7:24 where Jesus said "do not judge by 
> appearance
> but make righteous judgments."
>
> Did that say what I think it did? I believe that we were told that we 
> should
> make judgments but we should be sure that our judgments are based on the
> things of eternal life and not material life.
>
> The bible is full of stories of people who were required to make 
> judgments.
> Sometimes the judgments were wise and sometimes they were not. Jonah made 
> a
> bad decision based on bad judgment and he was swallowed up by a big fish.
> You know what though? After three days even the fish was sick of Jonah, 
> and
> Jonah, well, he was sick of making bad judgments and bad decisions so he 
> did
> what God wanted him to do and he spoke to a vile class of people who 
> needed
> to turn from their wicked ways.
>
> People who say that we should not judge have no idea what they are even
> saying. Something has offended their flesh, in most cases anyway, and this
> is the only response they can give because they must put focus on someone
> else. They think that this takes God's focus off of them, but it doesn't.
> Ultimately, the day will come when we all will stand before God and give
> account of our life. Some people, as unfortunate as it is, will be 
> commanded
> to depart from our Lord because he will not know them.
>
> That is so very incredibly sad because this is not a warning to people who
> have never heard the gospel, this is a warning to those who act like they
> are loving God, serving God, blessing God and doing his work when the real
> truth is, they are putting on a show for people to see.
>
> Why?
>
> Because they want to be judged! Favorably.
>
> Ain't that a kick in the head.
>
> Okay, just had to rant. This "do not judge" thing just sets me off.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of karin
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 10:27 AM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] living together before marriage
>
> It is wrong to live together before marriage whether you are blind or not.
> Whoever told you that was wrong.  You should as a minister set an example
> for your congregation.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: RJ Sandefur
>  To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>  Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 9:24 AM
>  Subject: [Faith-talk] living together before marriage
>
>
>  Is it wrong for a couple to live together before they're married? I was
> taught the bible forbids this practice, and when I told someone this, I 
> was
> told that being in the ministry was not American idol, and that this 
> wasn't
> some kind of power trip. I was told that I should be loving and not
> judgmental, and the person told me they were living together for monetary
> reasons. , and that I should not tell people it's not biblical to live
> together before marriage, and that I had no right to say this. I've been a
> licensed minister since 2005, and their have been some occasions, where 
> I've
> been asked to preach at church, and I wasn't paid any money. I'm not in 
> this
> for the money, I am in this to see people get saved! This was a blind 
> person
> who told me this. RJ
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