[Faith-talk] accessibility of church service material

Tue May 1 11:11:43 UTC 2012

Jenny religious groups are just like the rest of society.  They don't know 
the methods we use and we have to educate them.  I realize this gets old 
after a while but I'm working with my charismatic brethren in Altoona to 
make more of their materials available.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
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Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] accessibility of church service material

Jenny,
exactly. I don't call making my own accessibility with OCR software a fair
thing.
If we support a church or buy religious material, they should be willing to
provide an accessible format.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jenny Keller
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 9:31 PM
To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] accessibility of church service material

I see your point.  But some of us don't have the money for OSR software or
scanners.

As far as buying study materials, I'm not asking that they put it in
Braille, but PDF, or audio format isn't that much to ask, I'd willing pay
for that.

Fortunately in my church, all of our study materials are given to us free of
charge.

That's what our tithing and donations pay for.

Jenny
On Apr 30, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Jeanette wrote:

> i kind of look at it this way, sighted folks have to buy their materials, 
> i do not think that because i am blind i need to be some kind of charity 
> case and get some poor person to put it in an accessable format for me, i 
> have Kurzweil so i can read just about anything that comes out, i do all 
> the Beth Moore Bible studies using my Kurzweil scanner, also i feel like 
> we all need to understand how expensive t is to produce braille or how 
> expensive it is to buy the equipment to produce braille, if all things 
> could be provided in a computer format then that would be nice but i do 
> not think we as blind folks should expect it to be free for us, then we 
> are acting like blind beggars instead of equal folks in the world, just my 
> opinion. i am a single mom so i am not saying this because i have tons of 
> money, i just want to be treated like everyone else and theya re expected 
> to pay for the books and journals and such so i should too.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Brown" 
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> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] accessibility of church service material
>
>
> When most of us were growing up, most church materials were inaccessible,
> and there wasn't much we could do about it.  These days, because most
> printed material is produced on a computer, this situation seems to me to 
> be
> less acceptable.  I receive my church bulletin in accessible PDF, which is
> actually better than the Word document (some techie may know why).
>
> It is disturbing to me how much material for seminars and classes is
> inaccessible.  While some ministries are working on a shoestring budget,
> others are charging churches a lot of money for their materials, and in 
> that
> case I find inaccessibility unacceptable.  Some of these people seem more
> worried about protecting their copyright than spreading the gospel, and I
> have to wonder whether they are serving God or Mammon.
>
> I have been able to get Lifeways Ministries to provide some of Beth 
> Moore's
> Bible courses, but it is more of a hassle than it should be, and I have to
> go through this application every time.
>
> I receive a journal in audio format called "Does God Exist," about the 
> Bible
> and science.  The editor of the journal, John Clayton, reads it himself, 
> and
> a blind guy duplicates it on CD for him.  He really is working on a
> shoestring budget, but he has a blind son, so he gets accessibility.
>
> Some teachers are very good at getting their class materials to me in time
> for class.  One of the best at my church is a retired college professor, 
> so
> he knows how to make outlines and study guides.  Some of the worst are
> actually professional preachers, because they have trouble using their
> computers.  Older ones seem to have more trouble than younger ones.
>
> I make it a point to ask, and I am trying to make it a policy not to buy
> study materials for seminars that are not accessible.  We had one recently
> at which nothing was accessible, and this person is supposed to be a 
> college
> professor at an online university.  I hope no blind guy wants to take his
> classes, or he may find himself at the wrong end of a lawsuit.
>
> I think we are not being unreasonable to ask for accessible materials, but
> we ought to show some loving consideration for the particular individuals 
> we
> may be dealing with at church.
>
> Debbie Brown
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Keller" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 7:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] accessibility of church service material
>
>
> I am a member of the LDS church.
>
> the hymnals a two volume bound braille volumes and the Sunday School
> material and Relief Society, which is our women's group materials are
> available on the website via just reading it on the site and being aboe to
> click on the scripture references, or audio that you can download or just
> listen to in mp3 format.
>
> the bulletins and such are not accessable.  But I'm sure if I asked them 
> to
> email me the contents they would.  I just never thought to do so.
>
> Jenny
> On Apr 29, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I said I’d post something to generate discussion rather than the traffic 
>> about forwards or debate on what to post. IMO, if you have a question 
>> about posting a topic, ask the moderator off list.
>> This sounds better to me than debating what topic is on topic for the 
>> list.
>> We go through that ocasionally on other lists I’m on too; its annoying 
>> since the debate about the list just generates endless traffic with no 
>> answer.
>> My topic here.
>> For those of you going to church regularly, how is the accessibility of 
>> the material? I’ll speak to my methodist church growing up.
>> They had a large braille hymnal of like 7 volumes for me. Other than 
>> that, the print wasn’t accessible. The schedule, bulletin, inserts of 
>> songs within the bulletin, etc was not accessible.  So I just listened to 
>> some songs and the other stuff read in the bulletin. For instance, we 
>> have to respond as a congregation to readings; I think its called the 
>> call to worship or something.
>> I stood and listened to that. Everyone else reads from their sheet.
>> I got a lot out of church since everyone hears the announcements, sermon, 
>> etc, but do not feel I was able to fully participate.
>>
>> Ashley
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