[Faith-talk] being healed from blindness

Thu Dec 19 00:22:49 UTC 2013

Tonight at 8P.M. eastern. RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie McGinnity" <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness


> Sorry, RJ, am I what?
>
> On 12/18/13, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Unfortunatly many people who come to the Church need help related to 
>> money,
>>
>> rent paid, food, clothing, car repairs and on and on. My pastor has lived 
>> in
>>
>> the same house for 30 years, and had the same furnature that was given to
>> him and his wife when they wher married over 40 years ago and people 
>> still
>> think he's money hungry.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Andrew" <andrewjedg at gmail.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>
>>
>>> hi all  the one area that drives me up the wall is the whole thing
>>> reguarding money in the church.   what the body of Christ needs  is
>>> not money but more of god in it.  I think sometimes that  the body of
>>> Christ won't help those who won't give money and they drive it in to
>>> tive away and it is the pastor that has the fancy homes and the  fancy
>>> cars  while people in his or her congregation can barely pay for their
>>> bills basically.   but the thing is this churches are so money hungry
>>> instead their should be  another way less money hungry   and more of
>>> god so less money for the  church and more of god in the center  it is
>>> the leaders that deprive the people of the money it is  this money
>>> thing that is leading people a stray.
>>>
>>> RJ I would love to be in your Skype bible study.  what night is it
>>>
>>> On 12/18/13, RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> That's awesome. Juely, are you in sch
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> ool? RJFrom: "Julie McGinnity" <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:53 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I have had mostly good experiences in the churches I have attended.
>>>>> But I did have a negative experience at a college ministry group.  I
>>>>> was prayed over for healing, even though I tried to explain that I
>>>>> didn't want it.  If it is God's will, that's one thing, but I haven't
>>>>> heard of any magical surgeries or been told by an angel that I would
>>>>> receive sight.  Sorry for the slight sarcasm.  I am happy the way I am
>>>>> and have even thanked God for it.  I wouldn't be who I am if I could
>>>>> see.  Because of my blindness, I have met some wonderful people
>>>>> through the NFB and other groups, have been blessed to work with a
>>>>> fabulous guide dog, and have been able to help other people with
>>>>> disabilities in so many ways.  I truly believe that God has led me to
>>>>> these things.  I do believe that healings can occur, but I don't pray
>>>>> for one for myself or others unless they are truly sick or ask for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried to explain this to them, and they didn't understand.  They
>>>>> truly believed it was God's will that I would be healed one day, and
>>>>> they actually thought that I was just being stubbern in saying I
>>>>> didn't want sight.
>>>>>
>>>>> I love that God can turn something like blindness, that everyone
>>>>> thinks is a tragedy, into such a life adventure.  Yes, blindness has
>>>>> some pretty obnoxious components.  Anyone have trouble finding rides
>>>>> to churches?  But the community the NFB offers and the other things we
>>>>> experience that most people don't even dream of.  Most people don't
>>>>> even know what Braille looks like aside from random dots on a page.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, yes, I am radically positive, and believe me, I have faced
>>>>> discrimination and set backs due to blindness.  But those things can
>>>>> allow me to help others and have been an important part of God's plan
>>>>> for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Praise God for knowing better than we do what we can handle and what
>>>>> kind of people we can be!
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/18/13, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> One thing I don't think many people understand is that in almost 
>>>>>> every
>>>>>> church you have so few people carrying so many of the
>>>>>> responsibilities.
>>>>>> Everyone else can tend to think that eather somebody else will be
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> pat people on the back, visit the sick, or work in the nursery or ten
>>>>>> different other things, that is why our Pastor is very dillagent to
>>>>>> make
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> needs for different mynistries known weekly at the services as well 
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> weekly email updates. Right now at our Church behind the sceens we 
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> talking about the need to build a whole other structure on the
>>>>>> property
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> house sand and special sanders and snow plows for the winter. The 
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> local
>>>>>>
>>>>>> company who made sand available on the weekends is no longer doing 
>>>>>> so,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> with our congragation consisting of so many elderly and us living in
>>>>>> Alaska,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we can not afford to have an icey acre parking lot and have just one
>>>>>> elderly
>>>>>>
>>>>>> person fall and break a hip, it could be a matter of life or death,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> this
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is all behind the sceens and will take permits, a couple hundred
>>>>>> thousands
>>>>>> and it has placed a certain amount of stress on people who are also
>>>>>> wearing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ten different other hats and this is just to keep the parking lot
>>>>>> safe.
>>>>>> This
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is a drop in the bucket of the daily issues and duties that have to 
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> taken
>>>>>>
>>>>>> care of at the church. The point is that many people think the Church
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>> love boat and they don't need to be one of the people who help man 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> deck,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> they think that it is just a warm building full of smiling faces that
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> can find happyness and companionship in.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "sheila" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:10 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sounds like you attend an awesome church. It sounds like you keep
>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and your right people won't automatically come to you we have to be
>>>>>>> willing to reach out.
>>>>>>> On 12/18/2013 8:28 AM, Maureen Pranghofer wrote:
>>>>>>>> Your church sounds lots like ours.  It's a large church, about 5000
>>>>>>>> members and they say right off the bat "If you want to get
>>>>>>>> connected,
>>>>>>>> become involved, people won't come to you."  Consequently I have
>>>>>>>> written
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> music for the church, was on worship team for years, have
>>>>>>>> contributed
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> been in Bible studies, am the scheduler for a ministry doing home
>>>>>>>> repair
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to widows and abused women and disabled folks, am a hospital and
>>>>>>>> nursing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> home visitor and in a prayer group.  My husband is taking his 7th
>>>>>>>> trip
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Haiti where the church built a home for disabled children.  Even
>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>> he is in a wheelchair and born with no arms they let him do this.
>>>>>>>> So
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> enjoy giving. The church had done lots of ome mantainance things 
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> us,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> put up our Christmas tree, has youth come once a month to help with
>>>>>>>> whatever we have need of doing, provided me a reader, and as been
>>>>>>>> involved in our lives in so many ways but it's because the church 
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the organization, leadership or building it's the people.  We do
>>>>>>>> exposatory preaching working our way through Bible books week after
>>>>>>>> week
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just a few verses at a time.  Took the congregation 5 years to 
>>>>>>>> study
>>>>>>>> Matthew.  Maybe there is a relationship between ow the church is in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Word and the way people are treated, don't know just wondering.  I
>>>>>>>> apologize for this being so long.
>>>>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Poppa Bear
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:13 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is all diffirent for me and sounds a little odd because in my
>>>>>>>> case
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>> usually the care taker for those around me, I invite those who have
>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>> over for dinner, xmas, and Thanksgiving. We end up being a small
>>>>>>>> refuge
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> quite a few families and have a couple give and take open door
>>>>>>>> relationships
>>>>>>>> with members of my Church. I have a gentlemen  who is faithful as a
>>>>>>>> grandfather clock to call me every friday to see if I want to go to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> mens
>>>>>>>> breakfast and pick me up bright and early every time. Another lady
>>>>>>>> picks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>> my girls every morning to take them to the Christian school. The
>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> that our Pastor really drives home the point of living out active
>>>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>>> lives that consist of faithful Christian service that leads to 
>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>> oppertunities to love and bless others and as people start to 
>>>>>>>> listen
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>>> preaching from the word they find that the truth that "it is better
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>> then to receive" is a faithful and tru promis. Never the less I am
>>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> there are plenty of broken and lonely hearts in my Church just 
>>>>>>>> dying
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> closer relationship with somebody in the body.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur"
>>>>>>>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:10 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unforchantely, that is all to comon place. RJ
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul"
>>>>>>>>> <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:02 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've an answer to this problem about the church pitying us 
>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> our blindness, and I read this statement many years ago in a book
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> blind welfare from the RNIB.  The main reason, as I and the 
>>>>>>>>>> author
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the book see it, is that there is yet no practical substitution 
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> human eye. For some deaf and hard of hearing people there is the
>>>>>>>>>> cochlear implant and for people who have lost limbs or arms there
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> artificial ones which, although naturally not like the originals
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> their totality, nevertheless work to some extent.  Unfortunately
>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>> in my church, even though they don't pity me, no one will invite
>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>> over to their place for a meal and some good conversation.  This
>>>>>>>>>> happened after our Thanksgiving Day service, and I pray it won't
>>>>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> after Christmas Day services either.  Hope that was an adequate
>>>>>>>>>> explanation.  Paul
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur"
>>>>>>>>>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear list, First, as someone wi!th a doctorate in theology, I
>>>>>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've not seen anywhere in scripture Christ refur to blindness as
>>>>>>>>>>> something to be looked upon as evil, and yet, the church tens to
>>>>>>>>>>> pity
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> us. I've not seen this in my own church thank the Lord, but I
>>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>>> some of you have. God allowed to be blind, and I don't need some
>>>>>>>>>>> faulse teacher to tell me to claim my healing, just so they can
>>>>>>>>>>> bum
>>>>>>>>>>> money off me
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Julie McG
>>>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National
>>>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
>>>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
>>>>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
>>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>>>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>>>>> life."
>>>>> John 3:16
>>>>>
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> Julie McG
> National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National
> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> life."
> John 3:16
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