[Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
Snow White Dove
jlperdue3 at gmail.com
Fri Dec 20 00:09:05 UTC 2013
i agree with the tithing thing.
the other reason I didn’t join that mega church is that you have to commit to tithing and to even join the praise team, you have to have tithed for a year, and pass a background check.
The background check I get. I know that GOD says we must tithe. But that church has more money than they know what to do with.
they do a lot of good here in Rockford. But if you don’t have it one month, I believe GOD understands.
Jenny
On Dec 18, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Andrew <andrewjedg at gmail.com> wrote:
> hi all the one area that drives me up the wall is the whole thing
> reguarding money in the church. what the body of Christ needs is
> not money but more of god in it. I think sometimes that the body of
> Christ won't help those who won't give money and they drive it in to
> tive away and it is the pastor that has the fancy homes and the fancy
> cars while people in his or her congregation can barely pay for their
> bills basically. but the thing is this churches are so money hungry
> instead their should be another way less money hungry and more of
> god so less money for the church and more of god in the center it is
> the leaders that deprive the people of the money it is this money
> thing that is leading people a stray.
>
> RJ I would love to be in your Skype bible study. what night is it
>
> On 12/18/13, RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com> wrote:
>> That's awesome. Juely, are you in sch
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> ool? RJFrom: "Julie McGinnity" <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>
>>
>>> I have had mostly good experiences in the churches I have attended.
>>> But I did have a negative experience at a college ministry group. I
>>> was prayed over for healing, even though I tried to explain that I
>>> didn't want it. If it is God's will, that's one thing, but I haven't
>>> heard of any magical surgeries or been told by an angel that I would
>>> receive sight. Sorry for the slight sarcasm. I am happy the way I am
>>> and have even thanked God for it. I wouldn't be who I am if I could
>>> see. Because of my blindness, I have met some wonderful people
>>> through the NFB and other groups, have been blessed to work with a
>>> fabulous guide dog, and have been able to help other people with
>>> disabilities in so many ways. I truly believe that God has led me to
>>> these things. I do believe that healings can occur, but I don't pray
>>> for one for myself or others unless they are truly sick or ask for it.
>>>
>>> I tried to explain this to them, and they didn't understand. They
>>> truly believed it was God's will that I would be healed one day, and
>>> they actually thought that I was just being stubbern in saying I
>>> didn't want sight.
>>>
>>> I love that God can turn something like blindness, that everyone
>>> thinks is a tragedy, into such a life adventure. Yes, blindness has
>>> some pretty obnoxious components. Anyone have trouble finding rides
>>> to churches? But the community the NFB offers and the other things we
>>> experience that most people don't even dream of. Most people don't
>>> even know what Braille looks like aside from random dots on a page.
>>>
>>> Ok, yes, I am radically positive, and believe me, I have faced
>>> discrimination and set backs due to blindness. But those things can
>>> allow me to help others and have been an important part of God's plan
>>> for me.
>>>
>>> Praise God for knowing better than we do what we can handle and what
>>> kind of people we can be!
>>>
>>> On 12/18/13, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> One thing I don't think many people understand is that in almost every
>>>> church you have so few people carrying so many of the responsibilities.
>>>> Everyone else can tend to think that eather somebody else will be there
>>>> to
>>>> pat people on the back, visit the sick, or work in the nursery or ten
>>>> different other things, that is why our Pastor is very dillagent to make
>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> needs for different mynistries known weekly at the services as well as
>>>> by
>>>> weekly email updates. Right now at our Church behind the sceens we are
>>>> talking about the need to build a whole other structure on the property
>>>> to
>>>> house sand and special sanders and snow plows for the winter. The only
>>>> local
>>>>
>>>> company who made sand available on the weekends is no longer doing so,
>>>> and
>>>> with our congragation consisting of so many elderly and us living in
>>>> Alaska,
>>>>
>>>> we can not afford to have an icey acre parking lot and have just one
>>>> elderly
>>>>
>>>> person fall and break a hip, it could be a matter of life or death, but
>>>> this
>>>>
>>>> is all behind the sceens and will take permits, a couple hundred
>>>> thousands
>>>> and it has placed a certain amount of stress on people who are also
>>>> wearing
>>>>
>>>> ten different other hats and this is just to keep the parking lot safe.
>>>> This
>>>>
>>>> is a drop in the bucket of the daily issues and duties that have to be
>>>> taken
>>>>
>>>> care of at the church. The point is that many people think the Church is
>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> love boat and they don't need to be one of the people who help man the
>>>> deck,
>>>>
>>>> they think that it is just a warm building full of smiling faces that
>>>> they
>>>> can find happyness and companionship in.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "sheila" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:10 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> sounds like you attend an awesome church. It sounds like you keep
>>>>> involved
>>>>>
>>>>> and your right people won't automatically come to you we have to be
>>>>> willing to reach out.
>>>>> On 12/18/2013 8:28 AM, Maureen Pranghofer wrote:
>>>>>> Your church sounds lots like ours. It's a large church, about 5000
>>>>>> members and they say right off the bat "If you want to get connected,
>>>>>> become involved, people won't come to you." Consequently I have
>>>>>> written
>>>>>>
>>>>>> music for the church, was on worship team for years, have contributed
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> been in Bible studies, am the scheduler for a ministry doing home
>>>>>> repair
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to widows and abused women and disabled folks, am a hospital and
>>>>>> nursing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> home visitor and in a prayer group. My husband is taking his 7th trip
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Haiti where the church built a home for disabled children. Even
>>>>>> though
>>>>>> he is in a wheelchair and born with no arms they let him do this. So
>>>>>> we
>>>>>>
>>>>>> enjoy giving. The church had done lots of ome mantainance things for
>>>>>> us,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> put up our Christmas tree, has youth come once a month to help with
>>>>>> whatever we have need of doing, provided me a reader, and as been
>>>>>> involved in our lives in so many ways but it's because the church is
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the organization, leadership or building it's the people. We do
>>>>>> exposatory preaching working our way through Bible books week after
>>>>>> week
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just a few verses at a time. Took the congregation 5 years to study
>>>>>> Matthew. Maybe there is a relationship between ow the church is in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Word and the way people are treated, don't know just wondering. I
>>>>>> apologize for this being so long.
>>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Poppa Bear
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:13 PM
>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is all diffirent for me and sounds a little odd because in my case
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> usually the care taker for those around me, I invite those who have
>>>>>> less
>>>>>> over for dinner, xmas, and Thanksgiving. We end up being a small
>>>>>> refuge
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> quite a few families and have a couple give and take open door
>>>>>> relationships
>>>>>> with members of my Church. I have a gentlemen who is faithful as a
>>>>>> grandfather clock to call me every friday to see if I want to go to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> mens
>>>>>> breakfast and pick me up bright and early every time. Another lady
>>>>>> picks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> my girls every morning to take them to the Christian school. The thing
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> that our Pastor really drives home the point of living out active
>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>> lives that consist of faithful Christian service that leads to great
>>>>>> oppertunities to love and bless others and as people start to listen
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> his
>>>>>> preaching from the word they find that the truth that "it is better to
>>>>>> give
>>>>>> then to receive" is a faithful and tru promis. Never the less I am
>>>>>> sure
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> there are plenty of broken and lonely hearts in my Church just dying
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> closer relationship with somebody in the body.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur"
>>>>>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:10 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unforchantely, that is all to comon place. RJ
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul" <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:02 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've an answer to this problem about the church pitying us because
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> our blindness, and I read this statement many years ago in a book
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> blind welfare from the RNIB. The main reason, as I and the author
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the book see it, is that there is yet no practical substitution to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> human eye. For some deaf and hard of hearing people there is the
>>>>>>>> cochlear implant and for people who have lost limbs or arms there
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> artificial ones which, although naturally not like the originals in
>>>>>>>> their totality, nevertheless work to some extent. Unfortunately
>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>> in my church, even though they don't pity me, no one will invite me
>>>>>>>> over to their place for a meal and some good conversation. This
>>>>>>>> happened after our Thanksgiving Day service, and I pray it won't
>>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> after Christmas Day services either. Hope that was an adequate
>>>>>>>> explanation. Paul
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur"
>>>>>>>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:53 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear list, First, as someone wi!th a doctorate in theology, I must
>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've not seen anywhere in scripture Christ refur to blindness as
>>>>>>>>> something to be looked upon as evil, and yet, the church tens to
>>>>>>>>> pity
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> us. I've not seen this in my own church thank the Lord, but I know
>>>>>>>>> some of you have. God allowed to be blind, and I don't need some
>>>>>>>>> faulse teacher to tell me to claim my healing, just so they can bum
>>>>>>>>> money off me
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>>>
>>> --
>>> Julie McG
>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National
>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
>>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>>> life."
>>> John 3:16
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