[Faith-talk] Retithing
sheila
sleigland at bresnan.net
Sat Dec 21 12:15:51 UTC 2013
ours does the same we should give cheerfully according to what we
purpose in our hearts.
On 12/20/2013 10:10 AM, Maureen Pranghofer wrote:
> Hi Jenny
> It makes me sad to hear when a church is sto stuck on money. That's
> one thing I like about my church. Once a month they give a short
> report simply saying this is what we received, this is what we need.
> They say it's between you and the Lord what you give.
> Maureen
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Snow White Dove
> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:09 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>
> i agree with the tithing thing.
>
> the other reason I didn’t join that mega church is that you have to
> commit to tithing and to even join the praise team, you have to have
> tithed for a year, and pass a background check.
>
> The background check I get. I know that GOD says we must tithe. But
> that church has more money than they know what to do with.
>
> they do a lot of good here in Rockford. But if you don’t have it one
> month, I believe GOD understands.
>
> Jenny
> On Dec 18, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Andrew <andrewjedg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> hi all the one area that drives me up the wall is the whole thing
>> reguarding money in the church. what the body of Christ needs is
>> not money but more of god in it. I think sometimes that the body of
>> Christ won't help those who won't give money and they drive it in to
>> tive away and it is the pastor that has the fancy homes and the fancy
>> cars while people in his or her congregation can barely pay for their
>> bills basically. but the thing is this churches are so money hungry
>> instead their should be another way less money hungry and more of
>> god so less money for the church and more of god in the center it is
>> the leaders that deprive the people of the money it is this money
>> thing that is leading people a stray.
>>
>> RJ I would love to be in your Skype bible study. what night is it
>>
>> On 12/18/13, RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> That's awesome. Juely, are you in sch
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> ool? RJFrom: "Julie McGinnity" <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:53 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have had mostly good experiences in the churches I have attended.
>>>> But I did have a negative experience at a college ministry group. I
>>>> was prayed over for healing, even though I tried to explain that I
>>>> didn't want it. If it is God's will, that's one thing, but I haven't
>>>> heard of any magical surgeries or been told by an angel that I would
>>>> receive sight. Sorry for the slight sarcasm. I am happy the way I am
>>>> and have even thanked God for it. I wouldn't be who I am if I could
>>>> see. Because of my blindness, I have met some wonderful people
>>>> through the NFB and other groups, have been blessed to work with a
>>>> fabulous guide dog, and have been able to help other people with
>>>> disabilities in so many ways. I truly believe that God has led me to
>>>> these things. I do believe that healings can occur, but I don't pray
>>>> for one for myself or others unless they are truly sick or ask for it.
>>>>
>>>> I tried to explain this to them, and they didn't understand. They
>>>> truly believed it was God's will that I would be healed one day, and
>>>> they actually thought that I was just being stubbern in saying I
>>>> didn't want sight.
>>>>
>>>> I love that God can turn something like blindness, that everyone
>>>> thinks is a tragedy, into such a life adventure. Yes, blindness has
>>>> some pretty obnoxious components. Anyone have trouble finding rides
>>>> to churches? But the community the NFB offers and the other things we
>>>> experience that most people don't even dream of. Most people don't
>>>> even know what Braille looks like aside from random dots on a page.
>>>>
>>>> Ok, yes, I am radically positive, and believe me, I have faced
>>>> discrimination and set backs due to blindness. But those things can
>>>> allow me to help others and have been an important part of God's plan
>>>> for me.
>>>>
>>>> Praise God for knowing better than we do what we can handle and what
>>>> kind of people we can be!
>>>>
>>>> On 12/18/13, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> One thing I don't think many people understand is that in almost
>>>>> every
>>>>> church you have so few people carrying so many of the
>>>>> responsibilities.
>>>>> Everyone else can tend to think that eather somebody else will be
>>>>> there
>>>>> to
>>>>> pat people on the back, visit the sick, or work in the nursery or ten
>>>>> different other things, that is why our Pastor is very dillagent
>>>>> to make
>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> needs for different mynistries known weekly at the services as
>>>>> well as
>>>>> by
>>>>> weekly email updates. Right now at our Church behind the sceens we
>>>>> are
>>>>> talking about the need to build a whole other structure on the
>>>>> property
>>>>> to
>>>>> house sand and special sanders and snow plows for the winter. The
>>>>> only
>>>>> local
>>>>>
>>>>> company who made sand available on the weekends is no longer doing
>>>>> so,
>>>>> and
>>>>> with our congragation consisting of so many elderly and us living in
>>>>> Alaska,
>>>>>
>>>>> we can not afford to have an icey acre parking lot and have just one
>>>>> elderly
>>>>>
>>>>> person fall and break a hip, it could be a matter of life or
>>>>> death, but
>>>>> this
>>>>>
>>>>> is all behind the sceens and will take permits, a couple hundred
>>>>> thousands
>>>>> and it has placed a certain amount of stress on people who are also
>>>>> wearing
>>>>>
>>>>> ten different other hats and this is just to keep the parking lot
>>>>> safe.
>>>>> This
>>>>>
>>>>> is a drop in the bucket of the daily issues and duties that have
>>>>> to be
>>>>> taken
>>>>>
>>>>> care of at the church. The point is that many people think the
>>>>> Church is
>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> love boat and they don't need to be one of the people who help man
>>>>> the
>>>>> deck,
>>>>>
>>>>> they think that it is just a warm building full of smiling faces that
>>>>> they
>>>>> can find happyness and companionship in.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "sheila" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:10 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> sounds like you attend an awesome church. It sounds like you keep
>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and your right people won't automatically come to you we have to be
>>>>>> willing to reach out.
>>>>>> On 12/18/2013 8:28 AM, Maureen Pranghofer wrote:
>>>>>>> Your church sounds lots like ours. It's a large church, about 5000
>>>>>>> members and they say right off the bat "If you want to get
>>>>>>> connected,
>>>>>>> become involved, people won't come to you." Consequently I have
>>>>>>> written
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> music for the church, was on worship team for years, have
>>>>>>> contributed
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> been in Bible studies, am the scheduler for a ministry doing home
>>>>>>> repair
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to widows and abused women and disabled folks, am a hospital and
>>>>>>> nursing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> home visitor and in a prayer group. My husband is taking his
>>>>>>> 7th trip
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Haiti where the church built a home for disabled children. Even
>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>> he is in a wheelchair and born with no arms they let him do
>>>>>>> this. So
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> enjoy giving. The church had done lots of ome mantainance things
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> us,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> put up our Christmas tree, has youth come once a month to help with
>>>>>>> whatever we have need of doing, provided me a reader, and as been
>>>>>>> involved in our lives in so many ways but it's because the
>>>>>>> church is
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the organization, leadership or building it's the people. We do
>>>>>>> exposatory preaching working our way through Bible books week after
>>>>>>> week
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> just a few verses at a time. Took the congregation 5 years to
>>>>>>> study
>>>>>>> Matthew. Maybe there is a relationship between ow the church is in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Word and the way people are treated, don't know just wondering. I
>>>>>>> apologize for this being so long.
>>>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Poppa Bear
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:13 PM
>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is all diffirent for me and sounds a little odd because in
>>>>>>> my case
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>> usually the care taker for those around me, I invite those who have
>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>> over for dinner, xmas, and Thanksgiving. We end up being a small
>>>>>>> refuge
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> quite a few families and have a couple give and take open door
>>>>>>> relationships
>>>>>>> with members of my Church. I have a gentlemen who is faithful as a
>>>>>>> grandfather clock to call me every friday to see if I want to go to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> mens
>>>>>>> breakfast and pick me up bright and early every time. Another lady
>>>>>>> picks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>> my girls every morning to take them to the Christian school. The
>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> that our Pastor really drives home the point of living out active
>>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>> lives that consist of faithful Christian service that leads to
>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>> oppertunities to love and bless others and as people start to
>>>>>>> listen
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> his
>>>>>>> preaching from the word they find that the truth that "it is
>>>>>>> better to
>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>> then to receive" is a faithful and tru promis. Never the less I am
>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> there are plenty of broken and lonely hearts in my Church just
>>>>>>> dying
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> closer relationship with somebody in the body.
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur"
>>>>>>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 5:10 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unforchantely, that is all to comon place. RJ
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul"
>>>>>>>> <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:02 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've an answer to this problem about the church pitying us
>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> our blindness, and I read this statement many years ago in a book
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> blind welfare from the RNIB. The main reason, as I and the
>>>>>>>>> author
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the book see it, is that there is yet no practical
>>>>>>>>> substitution to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> human eye. For some deaf and hard of hearing people there is the
>>>>>>>>> cochlear implant and for people who have lost limbs or arms there
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> artificial ones which, although naturally not like the
>>>>>>>>> originals in
>>>>>>>>> their totality, nevertheless work to some extent. Unfortunately
>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>> in my church, even though they don't pity me, no one will
>>>>>>>>> invite me
>>>>>>>>> over to their place for a meal and some good conversation. This
>>>>>>>>> happened after our Thanksgiving Day service, and I pray it won't
>>>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> after Christmas Day services either. Hope that was an adequate
>>>>>>>>> explanation. Paul
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur"
>>>>>>>>> <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:53 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] being healed from blindness
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear list, First, as someone wi!th a doctorate in theology, I
>>>>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've not seen anywhere in scripture Christ refur to blindness as
>>>>>>>>>> something to be looked upon as evil, and yet, the church tens to
>>>>>>>>>> pity
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> us. I've not seen this in my own church thank the Lord, but I
>>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>>> some of you have. God allowed to be blind, and I don't need some
>>>>>>>>>> faulse teacher to tell me to claim my healing, just so they
>>>>>>>>>> can bum
>>>>>>>>>> money off me
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Julie McG
>>>> National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National
>>>> Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
>>>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
>>>> and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
>>>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
>>>> life."
>>>> John 3:16
>>>>
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