[Faith-talk] once saved always saved????

Sat May 11 03:23:24 UTC 2013

Hi Curt,

I don't have all the answers, and the Bible doesn't tell us 
absolutely everything. What I have said in my posts is not my 
opinion, but it's what the Bible clearly says, which I 
whole-heartedly believe. And, I don't believe that I said little 
children would go to hell if they didn't heed God's call before they 
die. There is an age when they can and do understand, some as early 
as 4 years old. God is sovereign, and it's all up to Him.

As to you personally, yes, at this point, you will spend eternity in 
hell. Please don't be flippant about having lots of company with the 
people you know. You'll all be in constant torment, from which there 
will be no relief. You shouldn't take that lightly; it's not a joking 
matter. And, don't base your opinions on the Old Testament only. Just 
because there was much immorality in those days, that doesn't mean 
that God condoned it. He didn't then, and He doesn't now. Read the 
New Testament as well, and forget your preconceived false notions. 
The Bible is not full of double standards, contradictions or 
inconsistencies. Sometimes it's a matter of translation. The English 
language does not always have words to properly say what the original 
Hebrew or Greek does. Read it with an open mind and a willingness to 
learn from it and accept its teachings. Accept the whole Bible, not 
just the parts that you agree with. Ask God in prayer to show Himself 
to you through His word, if you really want to know. God knows 
whether you are truly seeking or just looking for things to criticize 
and be disgruntled about.

Blessings,

Linda

At 11:56 PM 5/8/2013, you wrote:
>Linda,
>   What of those billions upon billions who never heard the name
>"jesus" in their lives?  Does God condemn them for those circumstances
>which, if you believe, you would have to concede he is responsible
>for?  That hardly seems infinitely just, much less infinitely
>merciful, to me.
>   And what of people like me who, seeing numerous contradictions and
>inconsistancies in the Bible, not to mention the double standard of
>morality which seems to make itself known after even a cursory reading
>of the Old Testament, decide we can't honestly and in good faith
>believe such a book?  Are we condemned to the fire forever, with no
>chance of an end to our punishment (even after billions and billions
>of years), while professing Christians, some of them more sinful than
>us, are sanctified and justified for salvation?  I suppose, by your
>definition, there is absolutely no hope for me unless I sincerely
>devote myself to a faith which, and I'm only speaking for myself here
>and meaning as little offense as possible, seems irrational and not
>the most effective path to me being an ethical and moral person.
>   I guess I can take at least a modicum of solace because, if you're
>right, I'll at least have some good company in my eternal damnation.
>If I'm going to be burning in agony forever, at least I'll be able to
>share my torture with the likes of Gandhi, the Buddha, Albert
>Einstein, Socrates, Thomas Jefferson (before you say he was a
>Christian, read the Jefferson Bible and I imagine it will change your
>mind), Confucious and many more of humanity's best and brightest, both
>morally and intelectually.  That's at least some comfort, isn't it?
>   In closing, I'd just like to reiterate my desire for civil and
>reasonable dialogue.  I'll confess this last message was passionate
>because, I won't lie, this conversation strikes a nerve near and dear
>to my heart.  If you object to the tone I took in this e-mail, I'd
>politely ask you to read this whole conversation before accusing me of
>such; I'd submit that, though I have tried to make my case with
>passion and furvor, I have not been any more intense than Timothy or
>Linda in stating my opinion.  I stand by what I said, but I don't mean
>any insult or offense.
>   Warmest regards,
>Kirt
>
>On 5/8/13, Timothy Clark Music <timothyclarkmusic at me.com> wrote:
> > that's true but,  as a child someone might believe that and they may have
> > professed faith in jesus christ but as an adult things are often different.
> > you do things you shouldn't do. what about people like that? will god save
> > them? when we sin in our prayers we should say lord i know i've sinned
> > please forgive me of the sins i've committed today and will commit in the
> > future. it's not something you have to do but wouldn't you rather know that
> > you've forgiven asked for forgiveness every night and that your slate is
> > clean.
> > god bless
> >  Timothy
> >  Your friend in the music industry
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> >  twitter
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> >  Skype
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> >  facebooks
> >  http://www.facebook.com/timothyclark13
> >  http://www.facebook.com/timothyclarkmusic
> >  reverbnation
> >  http://www.reverbnation.com/timothyclark13
> >  youtube
> >  http://www.youtube.com/timothyclarkoffical
> >  phone
> >  7244011224
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 8, 2013, at 11:49 PM, Linda Mentink wrote:
> >
> >> Jesus said, My sheep hear My voice, and I know them. No one will be able
> >> to snatch them out of My hand. The Bible doesn't say that if we sin, we
> >> will not be saved. The Bible doesn't say that if we backslide, we will not
> >> be saved. We will all be judged, and all God's children will spend
> >> eternity with Him in heaven. Those who are not God's children, who are
> >> counting on their good works and their outstanding lives, and who think
> >> there is more than one path to heaven, will spend eternity in hell, where
> >> they will burn forever! Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone.
> >> Anything added to what Christ has done cheapens His death and
> >> resurrection.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 10:38 PM 5/8/2013, you wrote:
> >>> i'll agree with you as to the fact that if you're actually a  christian
> >>> that you regularly wouldn't do those things but in this time and in these
> >>> last days where we find ourselves people profess faith and turn around
> >>> and do those things so, do you think people like that will still be
> >>> saved.
> >>> i for one don't think they will be. thoughts anyone?
> >>> god bless
> >>> Timothy
> >>> Your friend in the music industry
> >>> bandcamp
> >>> http://www.timothyclark13.bandcamp.com
> >>> twitter
> >>> @timothyclark13
> >>> Skype
> >>> djtimothy1
> >>> facebooks
> >>> http://www.facebook.com/timothyclark13
> >>> http://www.facebook.com/timothyclarkmusic
> >>> reverbnation
> >>> http://www.reverbnation.com/timothyclark13
> >>> youtube
> >>> http://www.youtube.com/timothyclarkoffical
> >>> phone
> >>> 7244011224
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On May 8, 2013, at 11:33 PM, Linda Mentink wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Genuine Christians will not do those things. God may hide His face from
> >>> > us for awhile, but He will never take away anything He has given us as
> >>> > blessings unless He has something better.
> >>> >
> >>> > At 10:29 PM 5/8/2013, you wrote:
> >>> >> the question laid out before us tonight is this. once saved, are you
> >>> >> always saved.
> >>> >> if you accept god into your life and you serve the lord faithfully
> >>> >> then i would have to say that you would be rewarded in life eternal.
> >>> >> but, if you are saved as a child and you murder or rape someone or do
> >>> >> something sinister will you still be saved?
> >>> >> i personally don't think so.
> >>> >> god can gain favor with you but god can also take his blessings away.
> >>> >> i think if you dishonor god and you don't repent you'll be judged
> >>> >> accordingly.
> >>> >> i'm just wandering, what are your thoughts on this subject?
> >>> >> i for one think you can lose the favor and the blessings of god.
> >>> >> god bless
> >>> >> Timothy
> >>> >> Your friend in the music industry
> >>> >> bandcamp
> >>> >> http://www.timothyclark13.bandcamp.com
> >>> >> twitter
> >>> >> @timothyclark13
> >>> >> Skype
> >>> >> djtimothy1
> >>> >> facebooks
> >>> >> http://www.facebook.com/timothyclark13
> >>> >> http://www.facebook.com/timothyclarkmusic
> >>> >> reverbnation
> >>> >> http://www.reverbnation.com/timothyclark13
> >>> >> youtube
> >>> >> http://www.youtube.com/timothyclarkoffical
> >>> >> phone
> >>> >> 7244011224
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
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