[Faith-talk] Trinity and baptismRe: Faith-talk Digest, Vol 75, Issue 26
Kishia
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Fri Nov 1 19:56:49 UTC 2013
Matthew 28 verse 19: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing
them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"
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> 1. Re: To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism (Poppa Bear)
> 2. Re: To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
> (Timothy Clark Music)
> 3. Re: To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism (Poppa Bear)
> 4. Re: To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
> (Timothy Clark Music)
> 5. Daily Thought for Saturday, October 26, 2013 (Paul)
> 6. Re: To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism (Poppa Bear)
> 7. Re: To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism (Poppa Bear)
> 8. Re: To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
> (trising at sbcglobal.net)
> 9. Re: To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism (Poppa Bear)
> 10. Re: To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
> (Timothy Clark Music)
> 11. Re: To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism (Poppa Bear)
> 12. Re: To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
> (Timothy Clark Music)
> 13. Re: To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism (Poppa Bear)
> 14. Re: To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
> (Timothy Clark Music)
> 15. Re: To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism (Andrew)
> 16. Re: bible (Andrew)
> 17. dramatized bibl (Andrew)
> 18. Re: bible (Devin Prater)
> 19. Re: dramatized bibl (Doris and Chris)
> 20. Re: bible (Doris and Chris)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 06:56:52 -0800
> From: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
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> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
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> Old Hank, he was a big part of my younger years in the faith. He is a
> soldier for truth. Though I don't always agree with his aproach, he has
> made
> alot of contrabutions to making material available to people trapped in
> cults and false religeon.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark H" <mark.h1956 at hotmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
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> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 3:56 AM
> Subject: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
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>
>> re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>> Here is an article from wikipedia to give you a definition.--
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mysticism
>> To me this reeks of heresy. A good place to check out questions of
>> orthodoxy is Hank Hanegraaff [The Bible Answer Man] web site
>> www.equip.org. James Dobson's Focus on the Family is also a great please
>> to find information -- www.focudonthefamily.com.
>> Hope this helps!
>> Diane
>>
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 15:01:10 -0400
> From: Timothy Clark Music <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
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> urggh, focus on the family.
> good grief.
> it?s a good resource if you want secular teachings.
> i like
> http://www.voe.org
> and
>
> http://www.jhm.org
> http://triumphtoday.org
> all nonsecular teachings that preach the truth of jesus christ.
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Mark H <mark.h1956 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>> Here is an article from wikipedia to give you a definition.--
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mysticism
>> To me this reeks of heresy. A good place to check out questions of
>> orthodoxy is Hank Hanegraaff [The Bible Answer Man] web site
>> www.equip.org. James Dobson's Focus on the Family is also a great please
>> to find information -- www.focudonthefamily.com.
>> Hope this helps!
>> Diane
>>
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:51:14 -0800
> From: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
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> Focus on the family is a minystry providing Christians with resources to
> raise their children in a Christian context, not a Christian teaching
> mynistry. What is secular to you about there ministry?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Timothy Clark Music" <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>
>
> urggh, focus on the family.
> good grief.
> it?s a good resource if you want secular teachings.
> i like
> http://www.voe.org
> and
>
> http://www.jhm.org
> http://triumphtoday.org
> all nonsecular teachings that preach the truth of jesus christ.
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Mark H <mark.h1956 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>> Here is an article from wikipedia to give you a definition.--
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mysticism
>> To me this reeks of heresy. A good place to check out questions of
>> orthodoxy is Hank Hanegraaff [The Bible Answer Man] web site
>> www.equip.org. James Dobson's Focus on the Family is also a great please
>> to find information -- www.focudonthefamily.com.
>> Hope this helps!
>> Diane
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:02:31 -0400
> From: Timothy Clark Music <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
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> first, they subscribe to the trinity. listen to adventures in odyssey.
> secondly, listen to some of their guests on the FOF daily podcasts as they
> teach about truth.
> it?s trinitairian.
> it?s secular teachings.
> there advice isn?t bad but you just have to be careful. don?t soke their
> teachings like a spundge.
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Focus on the family is a minystry providing Christians with resources to
>> raise their children in a Christian context, not a Christian teaching
>> mynistry. What is secular to you about there ministry?
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Clark Music"
>> <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 11:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>
>>
>> urggh, focus on the family.
>> good grief.
>> it?s a good resource if you want secular teachings.
>> i like
>> http://www.voe.org
>> and
>>
>> http://www.jhm.org
>> http://triumphtoday.org
>> all nonsecular teachings that preach the truth of jesus christ.
>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Mark H <mark.h1956 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>> Here is an article from wikipedia to give you a definition.--
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mysticism
>>> To me this reeks of heresy. A good place to check out questions of
>>> orthodoxy is Hank Hanegraaff [The Bible Answer Man] web site
>>> www.equip.org. James Dobson's Focus on the Family is also a great please
>>> to find information -- www.focudonthefamily.com.
>>> Hope this helps!
>>> Diane
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:19:36 -0400
> From: "Paul" <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>
> To: <angelsongs at yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Faith-talk] Daily Thought for Saturday, October 26, 2013
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> Well folks, it's Saturday afternoon as I write this here in eastern North
> America, in fact, the last Saturday of the month. By this time next week
> most of us in the U.S. and Canada will have to turn our clocks and watches
> back one hour. Where did the year go, I wonder? Well, it went, so let's
> look forward to the rest of the year with optimism, realizing that,
> despite the situation in our respective nations and world, that God has
> everything under control, even if it doesn't seem that way.
>
> Remember several days ago when I presented an article about Michael and
> how he met Rosie? Well, if you were inspired by that article, hopefully
> you will be with this article. It's rather long; in fact it will go over
> to another page. However I hope and pray that it will be a blessing to
> you. The article in question was written by Gabrielle Ford of Fenton,
> Michigan and is entitled "My True Companion," rendered as follows:
>
> No one knew what I was going through. Then came Izzy.
>
> "Izzy? Where are you, girl?" I called out from my bedroom, expecting to
> see my black-and-tan coonhound come running to my side. But she didn't.
> That's strange, I thought. She was usually the first to greet me when I
> woke up in the morning. I slid off the side of the bed and got on my
> hands and knees, crawling out of my room to try and find her.
>
> Finally, I spotted her in the hallway, lying on the floor. "Izzy?" She
> didn't budge. Her head was down, her long, floppy ears draped on the
> ground. Her breathing was shallow. Her brown eyes were open but didn't
> blink. "Mom!" I yelled. "Come quick!"
>
> My mother came racing down the stairs. "Are you all right, Gabe? What's
> wrong?" She rushed to my side.
>
> "It's not me. It's Izzy." Lord, please, please let her be okay. She's my
> best friend. My only friend.
>
> Friends were hard to come by for someone with my disability. At age 12, I
> was diagnosed with Friedreich's ataxia, a progressive disease of the
> central nervous system that slowly slurred my speech and robbed me of my
> mobility. I was able to hide it at first, but by the time I entered high
> school, the disease had gotten worse. My classmates noticed my stumbling
> and altered speech.
>
> "What's wrong with you? Are you drunk?" they snapped when I bumped into
> someone or something. Being bullied became a daily event. Mom encouraged
> me to talk about my disease. "If the other kids knew," she said, "they
> may not be so mean."
>
> "You don't understand," I told her. They'd just swoop down on me like I
> was some wounded prey. If I couldn't hide my disease, I figured, I'd just
> hide, period. For the past two years, since graduation, I'd rarely left
> the house. I couldn't walk far without a wheelchair now, and I didn't
> want those bullies to see me in one. I begged my mom and stepdad for a
> dog. I was lonely. I had my parents and two sisters, but I needed a
> friend.
>
> Mom agreed to let me have a dog, but with conditions. I had to pay for it
> and take care of it myself. "Even taking it to the vet?" I asked. Mom
> just nodded.
>
> I researched breeds online. "Coonhounds are known for their beauty,
> strength, and courage," I read on one website. Beauty, strength, and
> courage. Everything I wished people could see in me.
>
> Mom worried about how a dog would react to my condition, but the first
> time we met, it didn't phase Izzy in the least. On our way home from
> picking her up, she began whimpering, so I lifted her up and laid her in
> my lap, stroking her floppy, velvety ears until she drifted to sleep.
> Every morning I'd lie on the floor with her, ruffle the hair behind her
> ears; she'd roll over and I'd rub her belly. I told my furry little girl
> everything, like girlfriends do. She listened intently, focusing on me
> with those deep brown eyes. I even sang lullabies to her at night. Mom
> made sure I fed her twice a day and took her for her walks. It was scary
> leaving the house, but I did it for her.
>
> Izzy returned the attention. Soon after I adopted her, my mom had company
> over. Izzy wouldn't let me just sit alone in my room. "Izzy, stay," I
> commanded, wanting to shut my door and hide. But she kept darting in and
> out of my bedroom, yipping at me to follow her and meet the guests.
> Courage, I thought. Wasn't that what a coonhound was known for? I took a
> deep breath. "Okay, okay," I said. "Just this once.
>
> My mom's friends gushed over Izzy. For the first time in a while, I
> didn't feel like I was being examined or judged. Izzy was the difference.
>
> Then there were the days when I'd be feeling down and Izzy would just seem
> to know. She'd walk up to me, rest her head in my lap and cuddle. My
> best friend? More like an angel, sent to help me after all that I'd been
> through.
>
> Now something was wrong with her. Mom's eyes locked on the dog, looking
> lifeless on the hall floor. "I'll call the vet," she said, worry in her
> voice.
>
> The vet. All the way across town. A place with strangers who'd gawk at
> the girl who couldn't walk on her own. You need to do this for Izzy, I
> thought. Carefully, my stepdad bundled up Izzy, Mom helped me into the
> car, and we drove to the veterinarian.
>
> "She's swallowed a rock," Dr. Sandy said. "She'll need surgery, but she
> should be fine." I relaxed a little. Izzy was going to be all right.
> But after the surgery, Dr. Sandy looked concerned. "She's not coming out
> of the anesthesia like she should. I would like to run some tests."
>
> We brought Izzy home the next day, but the vet was still mystified. For
> days Izzy wouldn't stay still. She paced restlessly in circles. I tried
> to calm her, but she just shuddered. I stared into Izzy's weary eyes,
> hoping I could see something the vet couldn't. Why is this happening? I
> asked God. Why to my only friend?
>
> The test results came back. Izzy needed major surgery to fix a liver
> problem. The cost? At least two thousand dollars. My heart sank. I
> didn't have that kind of money.
>
> My uncle suggested a fund-raiser. He knew a man who could help get the
> word out, a reporter for a local paper. I didn't think an article could
> make any difference. Nobody cared about me in high school, so why should
> they care now?
>
> I was in my room a few weeks later when Mom came upstairs and knocked on
> the door. "There's a man here to see you," she said. "He's a teacher
> from the middle school."
>
> "Who?" I asked listlessly. What could he possibly want?
>
> Mom walked into my room. In one of her hands was a can wrapped in pink
> construction paper and in the other, a small white poster. I sat up
> slowly. "What's this?" I asked.
>
> "See for yourself."
>
> The outside of the can read, "For Gabe and Izzy." On the poster, in
> different colored markers, more than a dozen students had written
> messages. "We're all praying for you," one said. "I hope Izzy gets
> better soon," said another. One student had made a colorful drawing of a
> nurse giving Izzy a shot. I opened up the can. It was filled with money.
>
> "I... I... don't know what to say."
>
> "Don't say anything to me," Mom said. "Say it to the teacher. It was his
> class that collected for you and Izzy."
>
> Holding onto Mom, I shuffled down the hall. "It's an honor to meet you,"
> he said as I came into the dining room. "My students read the article
> about Izzy and wanted to help."
>
> "I don't know how to thank you," I said softly.
>
> He said he'd be thrilled if I could come down to the school with Izzy and
> meet the class.
>
> But going back to school? In a wheelchair? Facing all those people? Even
> if they had collected for Izzy and me, how could I go there? Kids could be
> so cruel. What if they laughed at me? Then I looked at Izzy. She looked
> up at me. So many times she had seemed to know my thoughts. Now I knew
> what she was thinking. Be strong, I thought. I decided to do it.
>
> I nearly canceled the day before. I was so nervous, my whole body shook.
> My mom helped me out of the car and into my wheelchair. We entered
> through the side door of the school. The locker-lined hallways reminded
> me of the ones I stumbled into not so long ago. Reluctantly, I entered
> the classroom. My mouth went dry. How would I begin? Then Izzy broke the
> silence with a bark. The kids started asking questions.
>
> "How is Izzy?" "Do they know what's wrong with her yet?" "Will she be
> okay?" And they all wanted to pet her. I expected Izzy to shy away.
> After all, she had been so out of sorts lately. But she wagged her tail
> like crazy as the kids came up to meet her. I breathed a sigh of relief.
> This hadn't been so horrible after all.
>
> Izzy improved after the surgery, but she still seemed weak at times,
> unsteady on her feet. She often stumbled into things. Dr. Sandy's
> associate did a muscle and nerve biopsy and sent it to a leading
> veterinary neurologist in San Diego. With Izzy, I didn't care who saw me
> or what people thought of me. I was finally out of hiding.
>
> So many times, doctors told me Izzy wouldn't be the same, that she
> wouldn't live much longer than a year. She surprised at every turn. Even
> when she needed a little wagon to get around, she'd still wag her tail and
> gladly greet anyone. I thought about what I'd read about Izzy before I
> even adopted her. Beauty, strength, courage. She was showing all of that
> now, even with whatever illness was hurting her.
>
> Finally, the neurologist in San Diego made the diagnosis. "It's a rare
> progressive muscle disease," she said. "Sort of like Friedreich's
> ataxia."
>
> I looked at Izzy with a newfound admiration. No wonder she had seemed to
> know so much about what I was going through. If she could keep being
> herself despite her disease, then maybe I could too.
>
> Since that first school visit, I've told people all around the country
> about Friedreich's ataxia and, most important, about the effects of
> bullying. I owe it to Izzy. She didn't just become my friend, she gave
> me the courage to reach out and find more friends. Only God knew that was
> what I really needed all along.
>
> FAMILY ROOM
>
> Through Izzy, her beloved coonhound, who has a similar disorder, Gabrielle
> Ford found strength in dealing with Friedreich's ataxia, a rare
> neuromuscular disease. Growing up, Gabe was bullied, something that has
> called her to action. Today Gabe visits schools around the country giving
> talks about the effects of bullying, with Izzy by her side. "Izzy brought
> me out of hiding and helped me to heal. The students love her!" she says.
> "Whenever I've finished a talk, students apologize to the kids they've
> hurt. I tell them they can choose to make or break someone's day."
>
> Another source of strength in Gabe's life is her mother, Rhonda, who was
> recently diagnosed with breast cancer. "The roles have reversed now,"
> says Gabe. "I've become a rock for my mom, like she's always been for
> me." Gabe, who once dreamed of becoming a professional ballerina, just
> released her autobiography (in 2009), "Still Dancing. Stop by
> http://www.gabeandizzy.com where you can order her book, T-shirts and much
> more.
>
> And there you have one of the most inspiring stories I've read in quite a
> while. Wonder if an article about her was featured in "Guideposts"
> magazine? Again, I hope you enjoyed reading her piece.
>
> And now may the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob just keep you safe,
> individually and collectively, in these last days in which we live. Your
> Christian friend and brother, Paul
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 12:26:42 -0800
> From: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
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> Most all evangelical Christianity holds the believe of the trinity, you
> know, ?Baptize in the name of the father, son, and holy ghost.? ?Father
> restore me to the glory I had before the world began?, ?I send the Holy
> Spirit to be with you.? God?s spirit was above the water, God spoke to
> Adam
> and Eve in the garden and prophesied to them about the son of the woman
> who
> will bruze the head of the serpent. ?The Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?
> ?This is my son whom I am well pleased with? ?Father Father, why have you
> forsaken me?? ?No one comes to the Father except through me.? ?I do
> nothing
> without my father? ?Our father in heaven.?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Timothy Clark Music" <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>
>
> first, they subscribe to the trinity. listen to adventures in odyssey.
> secondly, listen to some of their guests on the FOF daily podcasts as they
> teach about truth.
> it?s trinitairian.
> it?s secular teachings.
> there advice isn?t bad but you just have to be careful. don?t soke their
> teachings like a spundge.
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Focus on the family is a minystry providing Christians with resources to
>> raise their children in a Christian context, not a Christian teaching
>> mynistry. What is secular to you about there ministry?
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Clark Music"
>> <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 11:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>
>>
>> urggh, focus on the family.
>> good grief.
>> it?s a good resource if you want secular teachings.
>> i like
>> http://www.voe.org
>> and
>>
>> http://www.jhm.org
>> http://triumphtoday.org
>> all nonsecular teachings that preach the truth of jesus christ.
>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Mark H <mark.h1956 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>> Here is an article from wikipedia to give you a definition.--
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mysticism
>>> To me this reeks of heresy. A good place to check out questions of
>>> orthodoxy is Hank Hanegraaff [The Bible Answer Man] web site
>>> www.equip.org. James Dobson's Focus on the Family is also a great please
>>> to find information -- www.focudonthefamily.com.
>>> Hope this helps!
>>> Diane
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 12:28:38 -0800
> From: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
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> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
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> Oh yeh, the translaters of most all of our modern bibles believed in the
> trenity, along with the thousands of marters who gave their lives to
> proclaim the Gospel not to mintion almost all of the founding fathers of
> this country.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Timothy Clark Music" <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>
>
> first, they subscribe to the trinity. listen to adventures in odyssey.
> secondly, listen to some of their guests on the FOF daily podcasts as they
> teach about truth.
> it?s trinitairian.
> it?s secular teachings.
> there advice isn?t bad but you just have to be careful. don?t soke their
> teachings like a spundge.
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Focus on the family is a minystry providing Christians with resources to
>> raise their children in a Christian context, not a Christian teaching
>> mynistry. What is secular to you about there ministry?
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Clark Music"
>> <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 11:01 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>
>>
>> urggh, focus on the family.
>> good grief.
>> it?s a good resource if you want secular teachings.
>> i like
>> http://www.voe.org
>> and
>>
>> http://www.jhm.org
>> http://triumphtoday.org
>> all nonsecular teachings that preach the truth of jesus christ.
>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Mark H <mark.h1956 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>> Here is an article from wikipedia to give you a definition.--
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mysticism
>>> To me this reeks of heresy. A good place to check out questions of
>>> orthodoxy is Hank Hanegraaff [The Bible Answer Man] web site
>>> www.equip.org. James Dobson's Focus on the Family is also a great please
>>> to find information -- www.focudonthefamily.com.
>>> Hope this helps!
>>> Diane
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:29:19 -0400
> From: <trising at sbcglobal.net>
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> Yes, I believe in the Trinity. For God so loved the world that He gave His
> one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not
> perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his son into the world
> to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
> John 3 16 and 17.
>
> Terri Wilcox
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 12:40:08 -0800
> From: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
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> Amen, a sender, and a willing participent. Jesus brings a redeemed
> humanity
> back to the father and the father gives the redeemed humanity as a gift
> back
> to the son, a humanity who will be as righteous as Christ, like Christ,
> and
> Glorify Christ, a perfect love story to me. God the son saves the world
> and
> in giving his life, gains Holy brothers and sisters made perfect through
> his
> death and reserection. ----- Original Message -----
> From: <trising at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>
>
>> Yes, I believe in the Trinity. For God so loved the world that He gave
>> His
>> one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not
>> perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his son into the world
>> to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
>> John 3 16 and 17.
>>
>> Terri Wilcox
>>
>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:52:02 -0400
> From: Timothy Clark Music <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
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> show me 1 accation where someone in the bible was baptized in the father
> son and wholly spirit..
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Most all evangelical Christianity holds the believe of the trinity, you
>> know, ?Baptize in the name of the father, son, and holy ghost.? ?Father
>> restore me to the glory I had before the world began?, ?I send the Holy
>> Spirit to be with you.? God?s spirit was above the water, God spoke to
>> Adam and Eve in the garden and prophesied to them about the son of the
>> woman who will bruze the head of the serpent. ?The Father of our Lord
>> Jesus Christ? ?This is my son whom I am well pleased with? ?Father
>> Father, why have you forsaken me?? ?No one comes to the Father except
>> through me.? ?I do nothing without my father? ?Our father in heaven.?
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Clark Music"
>> <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>
>>
>> first, they subscribe to the trinity. listen to adventures in odyssey.
>> secondly, listen to some of their guests on the FOF daily podcasts as
>> they teach about truth.
>> it?s trinitairian.
>> it?s secular teachings.
>> there advice isn?t bad but you just have to be careful. don?t soke their
>> teachings like a spundge.
>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Focus on the family is a minystry providing Christians with resources to
>>> raise their children in a Christian context, not a Christian teaching
>>> mynistry. What is secular to you about there ministry?
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Clark Music"
>>> <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
>>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 11:01 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>>
>>>
>>> urggh, focus on the family.
>>> good grief.
>>> it?s a good resource if you want secular teachings.
>>> i like
>>> http://www.voe.org
>>> and
>>>
>>> http://www.jhm.org
>>> http://triumphtoday.org
>>> all nonsecular teachings that preach the truth of jesus christ.
>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Mark H <mark.h1956 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>>> Here is an article from wikipedia to give you a definition.--
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mysticism
>>>> To me this reeks of heresy. A good place to check out questions of
>>>> orthodoxy is Hank Hanegraaff [The Bible Answer Man] web site
>>>> www.equip.org. James Dobson's Focus on the Family is also a great
>>>> please to find information -- www.focudonthefamily.com.
>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>> Diane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 12:58:40 -0800
> From: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
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> I don't really need to brother Tim, I just need to obey the words of the
> Master. Why mince words?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Timothy Clark Music" <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>
>
> show me 1 accation where someone in the bible was baptized in the father
> son and wholly spirit..
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Most all evangelical Christianity holds the believe of the trinity, you
>> know, ?Baptize in the name of the father, son, and holy ghost.? ?Father
>> restore me to the glory I had before the world began?, ?I send the Holy
>> Spirit to be with you.? God?s spirit was above the water, God spoke to
>> Adam and Eve in the garden and prophesied to them about the son of the
>> woman who will bruze the head of the serpent. ?The Father of our Lord
>> Jesus Christ? ?This is my son whom I am well pleased with? ?Father
>> Father,
>> why have you forsaken me?? ?No one comes to the Father except through
>> me.?
>> ?I do nothing without my father? ?Our father in heaven.?
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Clark Music"
>> <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>
>>
>> first, they subscribe to the trinity. listen to adventures in odyssey.
>> secondly, listen to some of their guests on the FOF daily podcasts as
>> they
>> teach about truth.
>> it?s trinitairian.
>> it?s secular teachings.
>> there advice isn?t bad but you just have to be careful. don?t soke their
>> teachings like a spundge.
>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Focus on the family is a minystry providing Christians with resources to
>>> raise their children in a Christian context, not a Christian teaching
>>> mynistry. What is secular to you about there ministry?
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Clark Music"
>>> <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
>>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 11:01 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>>
>>>
>>> urggh, focus on the family.
>>> good grief.
>>> it?s a good resource if you want secular teachings.
>>> i like
>>> http://www.voe.org
>>> and
>>>
>>> http://www.jhm.org
>>> http://triumphtoday.org
>>> all nonsecular teachings that preach the truth of jesus christ.
>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Mark H <mark.h1956 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>>> Here is an article from wikipedia to give you a definition.--
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mysticism
>>>> To me this reeks of heresy. A good place to check out questions of
>>>> orthodoxy is Hank Hanegraaff [The Bible Answer Man] web site
>>>> www.equip.org. James Dobson's Focus on the Family is also a great
>>>> please
>>>> to find information -- www.focudonthefamily.com.
>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>> Diane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 17:08:17 -0400
> From: Timothy Clark Music <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
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> here we go again.
> john 1:14
> - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his
> glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and
> truth.
> realize, the word was made flesh. the word is god.
> next verse.
> john 10:30
> - I and [my] Father are one.
> realize, he couldn?t make a claimb that isn?t true.
> Isaiah 9:6
> - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government
> shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful,
> Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
> the child born is jesus, realize here that the inthalable word of god says
> mighty god.
>
> john 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
> in john 8:58 it says - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto
> you, Before Abraham was, I am.
> now how does this work?
> god came into flesh. he had to follow the law so, he had to come into this
> world as a child as that?s the law of god. you can?t come into this world
> already as a man but you can as a child.
> this is what happened here.
> god came into this world and wasn?t born into sin as he was born of a
> vergin.
>
> in hebrews 1:8 we read - But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God,
> [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy
> kingdom.
> realize here, he calls the son god.
> for we know in matthew that all the power was given on to the son. the
> father, jesus, the son, jesus, the wholey ghost, jesus. Titus 2:13
> says, - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the
> great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
> matthew 1:23 tells us, - Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall
> bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being
> interpreted is, God with us. in Colossians 2:9 we read, - For in him
> dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
> there?s only 1 god, there?s only 1 throne, and the lord jesus christ will
> be coming back some day. that, you can count on.
> Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold,
> a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
> Isaiah 43:11
> - I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is] no saviour.
> Isaiah 42:8
> - I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name: and my glory will I not give to
> another, neither my praise to graven images.
> 1 timothy 3:16 makes this perfictly clear when it states, - And without
> controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the
> flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the
> Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
> hope this helps.
> Timothy
> sent from my iMac
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Amen, a sender, and a willing participent. Jesus brings a redeemed
>> humanity back to the father and the father gives the redeemed humanity as
>> a gift back to the son, a humanity who will be as righteous as Christ,
>> like Christ, and Glorify Christ, a perfect love story to me. God the son
>> saves the world and in giving his life, gains Holy brothers and sisters
>> made perfect through his death and reserection. ----- Original
>> Message ----- From: <trising at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>
>>
>>> Yes, I believe in the Trinity. For God so loved the world that He gave
>>> His one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not
>>> perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his son into the
>>> world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
>>> John 3 16 and 17.
>>>
>>> Terri Wilcox
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 13:19:53 -0800
> From: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
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> I don't disagree with these verses, Amen to all of them, unfortunatly they
> are only one side of the coin and the otherside of the verses that make a
> destingwishing difference between the father and the son are obvious and
> very numerous, but I don't really think you have any questions about that
> side of the coin, so I will let the issue be, I take no offence to your
> position, I hope I didn't give any.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Timothy Clark Music" <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>
>
> here we go again.
> john 1:14
> - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his
> glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and
> truth.
> realize, the word was made flesh. the word is god.
> next verse.
> john 10:30
> - I and [my] Father are one.
> realize, he couldn?t make a claimb that isn?t true.
> Isaiah 9:6
> - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government
> shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful,
> Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
> the child born is jesus, realize here that the inthalable word of god says
> mighty god.
>
> john 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
> in john 8:58 it says - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto
> you, Before Abraham was, I am.
> now how does this work?
> god came into flesh. he had to follow the law so, he had to come into this
> world as a child as that?s the law of god. you can?t come into this world
> already as a man but you can as a child.
> this is what happened here.
> god came into this world and wasn?t born into sin as he was born of a
> vergin.
>
> in hebrews 1:8 we read - But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God,
> [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy
> kingdom.
> realize here, he calls the son god.
> for we know in matthew that all the power was given on to the son. the
> father, jesus, the son, jesus, the wholey ghost, jesus. Titus 2:13
> says, - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the
> great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
> matthew 1:23 tells us, - Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall
> bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being
> interpreted is, God with us. in Colossians 2:9 we read, - For in him
> dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
> there?s only 1 god, there?s only 1 throne, and the lord jesus christ will
> be coming back some day. that, you can count on.
> Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold,
> a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
> Isaiah 43:11
> - I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is] no saviour.
> Isaiah 42:8
> - I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name: and my glory will I not give to
> another, neither my praise to graven images.
> 1 timothy 3:16 makes this perfictly clear when it states, - And without
> controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the
> flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the
> Gentiles,
> believed on in the world, received up into glory.
> hope this helps.
> Timothy
> sent from my iMac
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Amen, a sender, and a willing participent. Jesus brings a redeemed
>> humanity back to the father and the father gives the redeemed humanity as
>> a gift back to the son, a humanity who will be as righteous as Christ,
>> like Christ, and Glorify Christ, a perfect love story to me. God the son
>> saves the world and in giving his life, gains Holy brothers and sisters
>> made perfect through his death and reserection. ----- Original
>> Message ----- From: <trising at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>
>>
>>> Yes, I believe in the Trinity. For God so loved the world that He gave
>>> His one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not
>>> perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his son into the
>>> world
>>> to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
>>> John 3 16 and 17.
>>>
>>> Terri Wilcox
>>>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 17:21:34 -0400
> From: Timothy Clark Music <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Joshua Lester <JLester8462 at pccua.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
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> correct, obey god?s word.
> You cannot find one person in the scriptures that was Baptized in the name
> of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Not one! However, you
> can find thousands of disciples being baptized in the name of the Lord
> Jesus Christ. I do mean thousands! You can also find this information in
> more than one place. We are buried with Him by Baptism into death. ROMANS
> 6:4
> acts 2:38
> Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the
> name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins , and ye shall receive the
> gift of the Holy Ghost.
>
> acts 10:48
> And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed
> they him to tarry certain days.
> acts 19:5
> When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
> I PETER 3:21
> The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the
> putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good
> conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
>
> If you have been baptized as an infant, without repentance, you have not
> been baptized according to the teaching of the scriptures. Religion has
> defiled the clear word of God and has become a false teaching.The
> Scriptures are always true. The Apostles understood the importance of the
> water baptism and were taught by our Lord Jesus. Thousands of born again
> believers where baptized in Jesus? name. This is what the scriptures prove
> over and over again. I would rather obey YHWH?s word than any man?s
> tradition. Please read all of the scriptures carefully and realize that y
> ou cannot take care of spiritual problems with natural means.
> john 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no
> man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
> we baptize in the name of jesus because he is the only way. 1 Corinthians
> 12:13
> - For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be]
> Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to
> drink into one Spirit.
>
> another good verse is romans 6:3 that tells us, - Know ye not, that so
> many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his
> death?
> Titus 3:5
> - Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his
> mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the
> Holy Ghost;
> Ephesians 4:5 is vary clear, - One Lord, one faith, one baptism.
> so, i hope this helps.
> On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't really need to brother Tim, I just need to obey the words of the
>> Master. Why mince words?
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Clark Music"
>> <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>
>>
>> show me 1 accation where someone in the bible was baptized in the father
>> son and wholly spirit..
>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Most all evangelical Christianity holds the believe of the trinity, you
>>> know, ?Baptize in the name of the father, son, and holy ghost.? ?Father
>>> restore me to the glory I had before the world began?, ?I send the Holy
>>> Spirit to be with you.? God?s spirit was above the water, God spoke to
>>> Adam and Eve in the garden and prophesied to them about the son of the
>>> woman who will bruze the head of the serpent. ?The Father of our Lord
>>> Jesus Christ? ?This is my son whom I am well pleased with? ?Father
>>> Father, why have you forsaken me?? ?No one comes to the Father except
>>> through me.? ?I do nothing without my father? ?Our father in heaven.?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Clark Music"
>>> <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
>>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>>
>>>
>>> first, they subscribe to the trinity. listen to adventures in odyssey.
>>> secondly, listen to some of their guests on the FOF daily podcasts as
>>> they teach about truth.
>>> it?s trinitairian.
>>> it?s secular teachings.
>>> there advice isn?t bad but you just have to be careful. don?t soke their
>>> teachings like a spundge.
>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Focus on the family is a minystry providing Christians with resources
>>>> to raise their children in a Christian context, not a Christian
>>>> teaching mynistry. What is secular to you about there ministry?
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Clark Music"
>>>> <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 11:01 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> urggh, focus on the family.
>>>> good grief.
>>>> it?s a good resource if you want secular teachings.
>>>> i like
>>>> http://www.voe.org
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> http://www.jhm.org
>>>> http://triumphtoday.org
>>>> all nonsecular teachings that preach the truth of jesus christ.
>>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Mark H <mark.h1956 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>>>> Here is an article from wikipedia to give you a definition.--
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mysticism
>>>>> To me this reeks of heresy. A good place to check out questions of
>>>>> orthodoxy is Hank Hanegraaff [The Bible Answer Man] web site
>>>>> www.equip.org. James Dobson's Focus on the Family is also a great
>>>>> please to find information -- www.focudonthefamily.com.
>>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>>> Diane
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 19:35:01 -0400
> From: Andrew <andrewjedg at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
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> I know nothing about mistiks or anything but when I do think about
> mistism I think of some of what people try to teach on healing and
> speaking tungs. sorry fokes I have to say this but the the speaking
> in tungs of today is not the real tungs that is spoken of in the
> bible. 99 percent of the people who clame to speak in tungs these
> days areare not the true tungs for example. that is what I think of
> when I think of mistic teaching and the tv evanjelists like benny hin
> I could say are actually are mystical I feel.
>
> On 10/26/13, Timothy Clark Music <timothyclarkmusic at me.com> wrote:
>> correct, obey god?s word.
>> You cannot find one person in the scriptures that was Baptized in the
>> name
>> of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Not one! However,
>> you
>> can find thousands of disciples being baptized in the name of the Lord
>> Jesus
>> Christ. I do mean thousands! You can also find this information in more
>> than
>> one place. We are buried with Him by Baptism into death. ROMANS 6:4
>> acts 2:38
>> Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in
>> the
>> name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins , and ye shall receive the
>> gift of the Holy Ghost.
>>
>> acts 10:48
>> And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then
>> prayed
>> they him to tarry certain days.
>> acts 19:5
>> When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord
>> Jesus.
>>
>> I PETER 3:21
>> The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not the
>> putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good
>> conscience
>> toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
>>
>> If you have been baptized as an infant, without repentance, you have not
>> been baptized according to the teaching of the scriptures. Religion has
>> defiled the clear word of God and has become a false teaching.The
>> Scriptures
>> are always true. The Apostles understood the importance of the water
>> baptism
>> and were taught by our Lord Jesus. Thousands of born again believers
>> where
>> baptized in Jesus? name. This is what the scriptures prove over and over
>> again. I would rather obey YHWH?s word than any man?s tradition. Please
>> read
>> all of the scriptures carefully and realize that y ou cannot take care of
>> spiritual problems with natural means.
>> john 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
>> no
>> man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
>> we baptize in the name of jesus because he is the only way. 1
>> Corinthians
>> 12:13
>> - For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be]
>> Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to
>> drink into one Spirit.
>>
>> another good verse is romans 6:3 that tells us, - Know ye not, that so
>> many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his
>> death?
>>
>> Titus 3:5
>> - Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to
>> his
>> mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the
>> Holy
>> Ghost;
>> Ephesians 4:5 is vary clear, - One Lord, one faith, one baptism.
>> so, i hope this helps.
>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:58 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't really need to brother Tim, I just need to obey the words of the
>>> Master. Why mince words?
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Clark Music"
>>> <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
>>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>>
>>>
>>> show me 1 accation where someone in the bible was baptized in the
>>> father
>>> son and wholly spirit..
>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most all evangelical Christianity holds the believe of the trinity, you
>>>> know, ?Baptize in the name of the father, son, and holy ghost.? ?Father
>>>> restore me to the glory I had before the world began?, ?I send the Holy
>>>> Spirit to be with you.? God?s spirit was above the water, God spoke to
>>>> Adam and Eve in the garden and prophesied to them about the son of the
>>>> woman who will bruze the head of the serpent. ?The Father of our Lord
>>>> Jesus Christ? ?This is my son whom I am well pleased with? ?Father
>>>> Father, why have you forsaken me?? ?No one comes to the Father except
>>>> through me.? ?I do nothing without my father? ?Our father in heaven.?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Clark Music"
>>>> <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
>>>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:02 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> first, they subscribe to the trinity. listen to adventures in odyssey.
>>>> secondly, listen to some of their guests on the FOF daily podcasts as
>>>> they teach about truth.
>>>> it?s trinitairian.
>>>> it?s secular teachings.
>>>> there advice isn?t bad but you just have to be careful. don?t soke
>>>> their
>>>> teachings like a spundge.
>>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Focus on the family is a minystry providing Christians with resources
>>>>> to
>>>>> raise their children in a Christian context, not a Christian teaching
>>>>> mynistry. What is secular to you about there ministry?
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Clark Music"
>>>>> <timothyclarkmusic at me.com>
>>>>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 11:01 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] To Linda re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> urggh, focus on the family.
>>>>> good grief.
>>>>> it?s a good resource if you want secular teachings.
>>>>> i like
>>>>> http://www.voe.org
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.jhm.org
>>>>> http://triumphtoday.org
>>>>> all nonsecular teachings that preach the truth of jesus christ.
>>>>> On Oct 26, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Mark H <mark.h1956 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> re: Christian Mystic / Mysticism
>>>>>> Here is an article from wikipedia to give you a definition.--
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mysticism
>>>>>> To me this reeks of heresy. A good place to check out questions of
>>>>>> orthodoxy is Hank Hanegraaff [The Bible Answer Man] web site
>>>>>> www.equip.org. James Dobson's Focus on the Family is also a great
>>>>>> please to find information -- www.focudonthefamily.com.
>>>>>> Hope this helps!
>>>>>> Diane
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 21:09:47 -0400
> From: Andrew <andrewjedg at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] bible
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> what is bleaos is it actually a bible what translation does it come in
>
> On 10/26/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> A little; check under free ebooks.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Doris
>> and Chris
>> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:56 AM
>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] bible
>>
>> I downloaded and installed Blio for windows. Is There any free Christian
>> content available though?
>>
>> Thanks bunches and God bless,
>>
>> Doris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 12:39 AM 10/26/2013 -0400, you wrote:
>>>I have mine on the computer, but there is also an iPhone app as well.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>Snow White Dove
>>>Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 7:01 PM
>>>To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] bible
>>>
>>> Do you download it loaded on the computer or do you download on iPhone?
>>>Jenny
>>>
>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Oct 25, 2013, at 9:56 AM, "justin williams"
>>><justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Blio is from knfb reader. It is a piece of software that you
>>> > download for free, but most of the books you have to pay for. It
>>> > allows you to read a lot of the e books and other books that you
>>> > would never be able to get either because bard does not have it, or it
>> is not accessible.
>>> > Okay, I'll admit, it's just one of the best toys I have; I read all
>>> > kinds of things now. It's great.
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> > Snow White Dove
>>> > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:06 AM
>>> > To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> > Cc: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] bible
>>> >
>>> > What is BLIO?
>>> >
>>> > Jenny
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On Oct 24, 2013, at 9:36 PM, "justin williams"
>>> > <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> There is a bunch of Christian stuff on blio; real good stuff I'll
>>> >> bet.
>>> > I'veIgot to start reading it.
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> >> Of Linda Mentink
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:03 PM
>>> >> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] bible
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi Justin,
>>> >>
>>> >> I don't use Blio, but I prefer the KJV.
>>> >>
>>> >> I don't have a clue what a Christian mystic is, or a nonChristian
>>> >> one, for that matter.
>>> >>
>>> >> Blessings,
>>> >>
>>> >> Linda
>>> >>
>>> >> At 07:34 PM 10/24/2013, you wrote:
>>> >>> Hay folks; I've got the blio? What is the best version for me to
>>> >>> buy the bible. I'm in college, and don't have a lot of mony. I
>>> >>> would like it on my computer because it is easier to access, and I
>>> >>> have an I phone, but I will get it on that later.
>>> >>>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 21:16:34 -0400
> From: Andrew <andrewjedg at gmail.com>
> To: Faith-talk <Faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Faith-talk] dramatized bibl
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> Hi all had a question I been interested in getting a dramatized bible.
> but anyway where can I get a dramatized bible for free and what
> translations can it be gotten in
>
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 20:28:06 -0500
> From: Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>, faith-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] bible
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> I must say, the Optasia bible library is extremely useful, I used
> the KJV to read aloud during a youth meeting, and use the
> original language material to study the original Hebrew and
> Greek; I hope to be able to make some sense out of it one day,
> lol.
>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 22:34:50 -0400
> From: Doris and Chris <chipmunks at gmx.net>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] dramatized bibl
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> You can get a free dramatized Bibles for free from
>
> www.faithcomesbyhearing.com
>
> They offer
>
> English Standard Version (ESV)
>
> King James Version (KJV)
>
> New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)
>
> Contemporary English Version (This is an "easy english" version with
> a 5th grade reading level)
>
> hth
>
> Doris
>
>
>
>
> At 09:16 PM 10/26/2013 -0400, you wrote:
>>Hi all had a question I been interested in getting a dramatized bible.
>> but anyway where can I get a dramatized bible for free and what
>>translations can it be gotten in
>>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 22:26:56 -0400
> From: Doris and Chris <chipmunks at gmx.net>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] bible
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> This is not Bible but book reading software that is accessible. There
> are some Bible translations available that can be bought for it.
>
> hth
>
> Doris
>
>
>
>
> At 09:09 PM 10/26/2013 -0400, you wrote:
>>what is bleaos is it actually a bible what translation does it come in
>>
>>On 10/26/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > A little; check under free ebooks.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> > Doris
>> > and Chris
>> > Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 12:56 AM
>> > To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] bible
>> >
>> > I downloaded and installed Blio for windows. Is There any free
>> > Christian
>> > content available though?
>> >
>> > Thanks bunches and God bless,
>> >
>> > Doris
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > At 12:39 AM 10/26/2013 -0400, you wrote:
>> >>I have mine on the computer, but there is also an iPhone app as well.
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >>Snow White Dove
>> >>Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 7:01 PM
>> >>To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>> >>Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] bible
>> >>
>> >> Do you download it loaded on the computer or do you download on
>> >> iPhone?
>> >>Jenny
>> >>
>> >>Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >> > On Oct 25, 2013, at 9:56 AM, "justin williams"
>> >><justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Blio is from knfb reader. It is a piece of software that you
>> >> > download for free, but most of the books you have to pay for. It
>> >> > allows you to read a lot of the e books and other books that you
>> >> > would never be able to get either because bard does not have it, or
>> >> > it
>> > is not accessible.
>> >> > Okay, I'll admit, it's just one of the best toys I have; I read all
>> >> > kinds of things now. It's great.
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >> > Snow White Dove
>> >> > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2013 5:06 AM
>> >> > To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>> >> > Cc: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>> >> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] bible
>> >> >
>> >> > What is BLIO?
>> >> >
>> >> > Jenny
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Oct 24, 2013, at 9:36 PM, "justin williams"
>> >> > <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There is a bunch of Christian stuff on blio; real good stuff I'll
>> >> >> bet.
>> >> > I'veIgot to start reading it.
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> >> >> Of Linda Mentink
>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:03 PM
>> >> >> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>> >> >> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] bible
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi Justin,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't use Blio, but I prefer the KJV.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I don't have a clue what a Christian mystic is, or a nonChristian
>> >> >> one, for that matter.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Blessings,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Linda
>> >> >>
>> >> >> At 07:34 PM 10/24/2013, you wrote:
>> >> >>> Hay folks; I've got the blio? What is the best version for me to
>> >> >>> buy the bible. I'm in college, and don't have a lot of mony. I
>> >> >>> would like it on my computer because it is easier to access, and I
>> >> >>> have an I phone, but I will get it on that later.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >>> Faith-talk mailing list
>> >> >>> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
>> >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>> >> >>> for
>> >> >>> Faith-talk:
>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/faith-talk_nfbnet.org/mentink%40
>> >> >>> fr
>> >> >>> o
>> >> >>> nt
>> >> >>> iernet.net
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
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>> >> >>> No virus found in this message.
>> >> >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> >> >>> Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3614/6776 - Release Date:
>> >> >>> 10/23/13
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
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>> >> >> mail.com
>> >> >>
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>> >> >> ail.com
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