[Faith-talk] Origin of the Trinity.

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the trinity is a ligh. 
 see john 4:24. it clearly tells us god is a spirit. we’ve gone over this. jesus and god are all 1 as when jesus was born he had god’s spirit in him. there is only 1 being and that’s jesus christ. 
On Kislev 12, 5774 AM, at 21:39, Mostafa <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all, upon you be peace and blessings. Today, we God willing are proceeding to what we have previously commenced. 
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> Who Invented the Trinity?
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> The three monotheistic religions - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam - all purport to share one fundamental concept: belief in God as the Supreme Being, the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe. Known as monotheism in Islam, this concept of the Oneness of God was stressed by Moses in a Biblical passage known as the "Shema" or the Jewish creed of faith: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." (Deuteronomy 6:4).
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> It was repeated word-for-word approximately 1500 years later by Jesus when he said: “The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord." (Mark 12:29).
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> Muhammad, salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam, came along approximately 600 years later, bringing the same message of monotheism: "And your God is One God: There is no God but He," (The Qur'an 2:163).
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> Christianity has digressed from the concept of the Oneness of God, however, into a vague and mysterious doctrine that was formulated during the fourth century. This doctrine, which continues to be a source of controversy both within and without the Christian religion, is known as the Doctrine of the Trinity. Simply put, the Christian doctrine of the Trinity states that God is the union of three divine persons - the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit - in one divine being.
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> If that concept, put in basic terms, sounds confusing, the flowery language in the actual text of the doctrine lends even more mystery to the matter:
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> "We worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity. for there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, another of the Holy Ghost is all one. they are not three gods, but one God. the whole three persons are co-eternal and co-equal. he therefore that will be save must thus think of the Trinity" (excerptions. I already presented to you the major essence of the Trinitarian doctrine, Jhon 1-5-7, and I established the decisive evidents of deliberately omitting the text. You can go ahead and verify that. You may possibly would like to look at the passage of Jhon 1-5-7 in King James version, and at the same particular passage, in any later English translation. In a previous post, I discussed the Trinitarian doctrine theologically and I shared a lengthy well written essay, which discussed it historically. Ah by the way, I coppied that lengthy article from the website of the United Church of God. You don’t have to believe me, or to trust my words. As for some of you they would like to think I am a liar. I just want you to go ahead and verify my claims yourself. In today’s post, I would God willing continue on discussing the Trinitarian doctrine theologically, historically, and from the rational standpoint simultaneously. Of course, I am not carefully choosing my words while criticising. So please bear in your mind; that my words are going to be intensely explicit. Let's put this together in a different form: one person, God the Father + one person, God the Son + one person, God the Holy Ghost = one person, God the What? Is this English or is this gibberish? It is said that Athanasius, the bishop who formulated this doctrine, confessed that the more he wrote on the matter, the less capable he was of clearly expressing his thoughts regarding it.
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> How did such a confusing doctrine get its start?
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> Trinity in the Bible.
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> References in the Bible to a Trinity of divine beings are vague, at best.
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> In Matthew 28:19, we find Jesus telling his disciples to go out and preach to all nations. While the "Great Commission" does make mention of the three persons who later become components of the Trinity, the phrase “Baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" 
> is quite clearly an addition to Biblical text - that is, not the actual words of Jesus - as can be seen by two factors:
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> Baptism in the early Church, as discussed by Paul in his letters, was done only in the name of Jesus; and
> The "Great Commission" found in the first gospel written, that of Mark, bears no mention of Father, Son and, or Holy Ghost - see Mark 16:15. 
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> The only other reference in the Bible to a Trinity can be found in the Epistle of I John 5:7, Biblical scholars of today, however, have admitted that the phrase “there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one”. is definitely a "later addition" to Biblical test, and it is not found in any of today's versions of the Bible. It was intentionally omitted, as we have previously discussed.
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> It can, therefore, be seen that the concept of a Trinity of divine beings was not an idea put forth by Jesus or any other prophet of God. This doctrine, now subscribed to by Christians all over the world, is entirely man-made in origin.
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> The Doctrine Takes Shape
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> While Paul of Tarsus, the man who could rightfully be considered the true founder of Christianity, has formulated many of its doctrines, that of the Trinity was not among them. He did, however, lay the groundwork for such when he put forth the idea of Jesus being a "divine Son." After all, a Son does need a Father, and what about a vehicle for God's revelations to man? In essence, Paul named the principal players, but it was the later Church people who put the matter together.
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> Tertullian, a lawyer and presbyter of the third century Church in Carthage, was the first to use the word "Trinity" when he put forth the theory that the Son and the Spirit participate in the being of God, but all are of one being of substance with the Father. A Formal Doctrine is Drawn Up
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> When controversy over the matter of the Trinity blew up in 318 between two church men from Alexandria - Arius, the deacon, and Alexander, his bishop - Emperor Constantine stepped into the fray.
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> Although Christian dogma was a complete mystery to him, he did realize that a unified church was necessary for a strong kingdom. When negotiation failed to settle the dispute, Constantine called for the first ecumenical council in Church history in order to settle the matter once and for all.
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> Six weeks after the 300 bishops first gathered at Nicea in 325, the doctrine of the Trinity was hammered out. The God of the Christians was now seen as having three characters, Church Puts Its Foot Down
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> The matter was far from settled, however, despite high hopes for such on the part of Constantine. Arius and the new bishop of Alexandria, a man named Athanasius, began arguing over the matter even as the Nicene Creed was being signed; "Arianism" became a catch-word from that time onward for anyone who did not hold to the doctrine of the Trinity.
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> It wasn't until 451, at the Council of Chalcedon that, with the approval of the Pope, the Nicene/Constantinople Creed was set as authoritative. Debate on the matter was no longer tolerated; to speak out against the Trinity was now considered blasphemy, and such earned stiff sentences that ranged from mutilation to mortality. Christians now turned on Christians, maiming and slaughtering thousands because of a difference of opinion.
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> Debate Continues
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> Brutal punishments and even death did not stop the controversy over the doctrine of the Trinity, however, and the said controversy continues even today.
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> or natures, in the form of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The majority of Christians, when asked to explain this fundamental doctrine of their faith, can offer nothing more than "I believe it because I was told to do so." It is explained away as "mystery" - yet the Bible says in I Corinthians 14:33 that "God is not the author of confusion”. The Unitarian denomination of Christianity has kept alive the teachings of Arius in saying that God is one; they do not believe in the Trinity. As a result, mainstream Christians abhor them, and the National Council of Churches has refused their admittance. In Unitarianism, the hope is kept alive that Christians will someday return to the preachings of Jesus: “Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve”. (Luke 4:8.) Islam and the Matter of the Trinity
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> While Christianity may have a problem defining the essence of God, such is not the case in Islam.
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> "They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity, for there is no god except One God." (Qur'an 5:73). It is worth noting that the Arabic language Bible uses the name "Allah" as the name of God.
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> Suzanne Haneef, in her book WHAT EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT ISLAM AND MUSLIMS (Library of Islam, 1985), puts the matter quite succinctly when she says, "But God is not like a pie or an apple which can be divided into three thirds which form one whole; if God is three persons or possesses three parts, He is assuredly not the Single, Unique, Indivisible Being which God is and which Christianity professes to believe in." (pp. 183-184).
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> Looking at it from another angle, the Trinity designates God as being three separate entities - the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. If God is the Father and also the Son, He would then be the Father of Himself because He is His own Son. This is not exactly logical.
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> Christianity claims to be a monotheistic religion. Monotheism, however, has as its fundamental belief that God is One; the Christian doctrine of the Trinity - God being Three-in-One - is seen by Islam as a form of polytheism. Christians don't revere just One God, they revere three.
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> This is a charge not taken lightly by Christians, however. They, in turn, accuse the Muslims of not even knowing what the Trinity is, pointing out that the Qur'an sets it up as Allah the Father, Jesus the Son, and Mary his mother. While veneration of Mary has been a figment of the Catholic Church since 431 when she was given the title "Mother of God" by the Council of Ephesus, a closer examination of the verse in the Qur'an (5:116). most often cited by Christians in support of their accusation, shows that the designation of Mary by the Qur'an as a "member" of the Trinity, is simply not true.
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> While the Qur'an condemns both trinitarianism, (the Qur'an 4:17) and the worship of Jesus and his mother Mary, (the Qur'an 5:116), nowhere does it identify the actual three components of the Christian Trinity. The position of the Qur'an is that WHO or WHAT comprises this doctrine is not important; what is important is that the very notion of a Trinity is an affront against the concept of One God.
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> In particularly, we see that the doctrine of the Trinity is a concept conceived entirely by man; there is no sanction whatsoever from God to be found regarding the matter simply because the whole idea of a Trinity of divine beings has no place in monotheism. 
> Allah says in the Koran, ; Indeed, I am your Lord and Cherisher: therefore, serve Me (and no other)”. 
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>      (Qur'an 21:92). 
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> Now, I will discuss the Trinitarian doctrinal tennet, in further details.
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> I will use the philosophical argument to substantiate my assertion. 
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> As you may know, I am a linguist by hobby. Therefore, I may define the both concepts of monotheism and polytheism from the roughly etymological standpoint. 
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> What does monotheism mean? 
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> Etymologically, the word monotheism actually means the belief of a single God. 
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> From this lingual root, we may consistently derive the noun and adjective, monotheistic. The monotheistic is the one who believes that there is only one God. Apparently, Jews, Christians, and Muslims seems to have a theological agreement on that regard. Subsequently, it comes the opposite concept of several gods which is called, polytheism. 
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> I will be quite unfair if I claimed that christians are strictly polytheistic. They actually are not. But, they are not perfectly monotheistic either, and I am going to rationally justify my theological remonstration with the christian doctrine. 
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> According to my humble apprehension, christians believe in the union of the Father and Son and Holy Ghost simultaneously, so they are three in a one godhead. Of course, you may correct me if I was mistaken. 
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> If we critically compared that to what we have in Islam, we will instantly recognize the clear difference. 
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> We believe in God as the one. He is one in a unique sense, glory be to Him. 
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> So the christian monotheism has a vital problem. In giving respect to the unique oneness of the godhead entity, God is not to be physically analogous, he is unequaled, quintessentially unparalleled. The godhead entity in Christianity is physically structured. And my presented proof at this point, that christians tend to analogize within what they believe in, with other physical depictions. So for instance, they tend to say, the trinity is similar to an egg, or an apple. 
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> I am not sure though, in what sense such comparison was made? Is it just for clarification? 
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> I will consider it to be intended for that aim. 
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> Well still, we didn't solve the problem. 
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> God is physically structured in christianity. 
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> Well, I am enormously felicitous to share our devout certitude and placid temperament about God. 
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> We sincerely believe that God is predominantly unparalleled. 
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> It's said that both religions are claiming to be of a monotheistic posterity. Well, we're going to accurately reassess that proposition, so you can see and decide for yourself. 
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> Well, here we go. 
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> Firstly; in Christianity, God is incarnated. In contrast to that, God is gloriously transcendent in Islam. 
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> Secondly; God is physically depicted in Christianity. He is structured, a divided deity. It consists of three major individuals of the godhead. The father, the son, and the holy ghost. Those three are unified into one, according to Christianity. 
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> But, it's absolutely contrived, that the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit, is indeed not the Father. 
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> Noone is the other one. 
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> In contrast to that, and according to Islamic doctrinal tenets, God is enormously resplendent. He is the one, in a distinctly unique sense. He is absolutely incomparable. He is not to be represented into any materialized objects. He is not in His creation. He is self-sufficient, and He doesn't demand any third party to forgive or punish. It's all up to His will and wisdom, glory be to Him. 
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> Thirdly; according to Christianity, God bequeathed to bear a son. He sacrificed him, to bestow His grace. 
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> In contrast to that, God has sent messengers and prophets to humanity, and he never sacrificed anyone to bestow His grace. 
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> Though the concept of sacrifice is presented in Islam, but it isn't as it is in Christianity. 
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> The sacrifice of Islam expresses the submission and obedience to God's commandments on His terms, and it's done by us, His slaves and servants. 
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> Well, I may have a question at this point: 
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> Why can't God forgive us, unless he sacrifices his son? 
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> And how he can't forgive before sacrificing, and after he sacrifices, he is able to forgive. 
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> Can God have two different standards of justice? 
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> To heavenly sacrifice that who is innocent for the sake of the guilty. But on earth, you don't approve that in your courts, do you? 
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> Well, God is vitally contradicting himself at this point. 
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> Why? 
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> Well simply because, he has two different principles of forgiveness. 
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> The heavenly concept of forgiveness says; sacrifice that who is innocent for the sake of the guilty. Sacrifice the righteous for the sake of the sinner. 
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> While the earthly statute legality decisively states, that you can't sacrifice that who is innocent, to survive who is guilty, and he deserves penalty. That sounds quite disputable. 
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> Well, I have a metaphorical enquiry. Was God's son begotten, or created? Please, pay a significant attention to the lingual distinctions of using the terms, create, and beget. Consult your competent dictionary, before you step in to give any answer. Well essentially, 
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> I'm aiming to unveil the clear differences. Christianity portrays God in materialized objects, and in the flesh. 
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> While Islam intently insists to present the magisterial transcendence of God. 
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> The main purpose of coordinating my theological discourse, is to have the knowledgeable adequacy of accurately comparing the concepts, and to correctly devise the genuine one.
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> Of course, Christian Trinitarian Apologists today, are attempting to wickedly deceive their audience, by incorrectly implying, that Christians were initially Trinitarians.
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> Christian answers of Austin Texas, directed by Larry Wessels, whereas, he attempts to viciously corrupt the facts. 
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> There are numerously independent sources, which theologically rebuttals the currently adopted Trinitarian faith, as well as, it intensely refutes the currently corrupted apprehension of Unitarianism. 
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> In the initial phase of the continuous doctrinal combat, in the early Christian era, there was Arius, the popular Christian cleric of Alexandria, who has courageously opposed the Trinitarian myth, he declined the divinity of Christ, and he had to persistently confront on theological asperities brutally imposed by Trinitarian upheaval. 
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> There are many unbiased, and theologically attested assertions, which verifys the religious persecutions on Arius and his followers, who were calling for sincere monotheism. 
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> Arianism, however, was a scornful  entitlement, which was forcefully imposed on Arius and his followers by the Trinitarian rivals, in attempting to implement, that Arius aims to constitute a separate denomination, which he prescribes its fundamental doctrinal tennets.
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> Well, that’s not strange at all.
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> There are many Christian evangelists nowadays, who fraudulently call Islam, Mohammedanism, Terrorism, Fascism, and so forth. 
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> That particular ism, doesn’t appear, but in Christianized evangelical hateful sentiments, or in orientalist literature, whilst attempting to poisonously spifflicate  the Islamic doctrine.
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> Arius taught his followers, that in order to attain the pleasure of God Almighty, and to prosperously earn the salvation, you’re ought to unfeignedly believe in the oneness of God, and that Jesus is indeed his mightily chosen apostle. 
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> He vigorously fought against Trinitarianism. Therefore, he had to greatly suffer and endure the quite appallingly inflicted persecution practiced by Christian Trinitarians, until he was executed by Roman upper elites, in 450 C.E.
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> The subject of Arius and his affiliated herecy is vastly controversial. And in particular, in the contemporary Christian academia.
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> Christian Trinitarians are strenuously attempting to veil the truth by any manner.
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> I have been accused by many of them, that I’m striving to subvert the genuine doctrine.
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> But I’m afraid, it’s the Trinitarians who’re trying to wickedly corrupt the truth.
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> For the Trinitarian Evangelist, it is quite important to keep his audience deceived and disinformed.
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> In my previous post, I listed ten major factors which are to describe the attributions and characteristics of God.
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> Afterwards; I asked my audience:
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> Does anybody disagree on that?
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