[Faith-talk] The subject which noone talks about.
Doris and Chris
chipmunks at gmx.net
Sun Nov 17 03:49:09 UTC 2013
If such is the case, you could even create a message filter rule in
your email client and send the messages directly to trash.
As for myself, I have responded to a few of Mustafa's posts and found
the exchange intersting and thoughtprovoking.
Many of us forget that this is a list for the discussion of faith and
not the Christian faith in particular.
I have no intent to change my religious affiliation or beliefs but
think a lot can be gained from the exchange with others.
Doris in Lutherland
At 09:16 PM 11/16/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>I'm just deleting them. He doesn't want our input really.
>
>At 10:59 AM 11/15/2013, you wrote:
>>I wonder how long these posts have been being recycled? -----
>>Original Message ----- From: "Mostafa" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>
>>To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 4:21
>>AM Subject: [Faith-talk] The subject which noone talks about. >
>>This is a very important post. > > > > This is the subject, which
>>nobody talks about. > > > > Please, read, comprehend and
>>share. > > > > So, what is Christian Zionism? > > Christian Zionism
>>is a political movement, which originally descends from > a gravely
>>radical element of Protestantism. They mostly live abroad, >
>>particularly, in the United states, and they are theologically
>>motivated > by the christian zionist notorious influence. They
>>predominantly believe > in the literal interpretation of the Bible.
>>And, they derive a bitter > notion, based on that particular
>>doctrinal tennet. Among the main founders > and key directors of
>>this extremist movement, are Pastor John Hagee, the > radical
>>evangelical Televangelist Pat Robertson, the fabricating author, >
>>Robert Spencer with his awful companion, the liar Pamela Geller,
>>and > finally, the heavily prevaricator and eternally expelled ex
>>Coptic Father, > zakaria botros. Due to his stubborn profanity and
>>inflammatory remarks, he > was permanently banned from the Coptic
>>Church. I personally verified that > with local coptic officials.
>>He was eternally banished from the Church for > his shameful
>>misbehaviors and verbal assaults. He is now a radical > Protestant
>>apologist, currently inhabits the United states. Formerly, > he
>>used to be an actor at the Church. He currently lives in the
>>United > states, and he is in a regular communication with the
>>radical missionaries > I just listed above. He is quite popular for
>>his anti-islam views, his > affirmative discourtesy, his
>>dishonourable statements, his intentional > misquotes,
>>misinterpretations, and acrimonious corruptions of Islamic > text.
>>Well for instance, he wickedly insulted muslim women who wear
>>Hijab. > He sarcastically described them them as the darken tents.
>>He said horrible > things about our noble prophet, (salla Allahu
>>alaihi wa sallam), and he > wickedly abused his wives. He
>>deliberately devises the meaning which > helps him to forge, to
>>develop and promote an assaulting propaganda about > Islamic
>>teachings. Well however, his malefactor equivocations were >
>>informatively countered, substantially refuted and invalidated by
>>Doctor > Fadel Solomon, along with many other prominent muslim
>>clerics. Well > ordinarily, such hateful pastors and apologists
>>are quite known for their > enormously provocative disposition
>>about Islam. They strongly adhere a > Zionist agenda, and it's
>>their top priority to advocate for guarding > Israel national
>>security. They constantly call for that in the Congress, > and in
>>another major domestic political assemblies in the United states. >
>>Furthermore, they strenuously exert their efforts, to essentially
>>invoke > theological suspicions among muslim masses. I was
>>previously asked by > couple of christian Zionists, to watch
>>Zakaria botros episodes about > Islam. One of them is an Arab, and
>>another one is American. I would like > to thank them pretty much
>>for their sincere advice. They just helped me > exposing to the
>>publicity who Zakaria botros is. They never searched who > is
>>Zakaria Botros , nor they never bothered themselves to just
>>verify > whether he was theologically certified to talk about Islam
>>the way he > does. They just liked the fact, that he appears in the
>>television, > assaulting Islam, and posing incorrect alegations
>>about Islamic sources. > > > > > > Little that they know about the
>>so called Zakaria botros religious > bigotry, his malicious intent,
>>and his terrific perfidy to his egyptian > identity. He calls Egypt
>>a terrorist state, wavering that notion to those > who he may be in
>>touch with at the Congress, while attempting to encourage > them to
>>potentially label Egypt as a threatening entity, and to even >
>>occupy Egypt militarily if that was necessary. He even insulted the
>>coptic > Pope in Egypt. Moreover, it's overwhelmingly evidenced
>>against him, that > he stands behind the nigrified curtains of
>>innocence of muslims, the > detrimental film which sparked outrage
>>and violence around the world. > Although, he doesn't directly
>>appear at the front, but it is allegedly > leavened that he is
>>actually behind the seen, and that all the > reprehensible concepts
>>were actually inspired by his hateful views. > Is that your best
>>role-model sir? Wow. Couldn't you just find any better? > I'm
>>personally convinced that Zakaria botros and his assimilators are >
>>tremendously inspired by a hidden plot, a deeply concealed Zionist
>>agenda. > The coptic church is extremely commendable for formally
>>disposing this > maligned hater. I would like his supporters to
>>present their significant > evidence, that proves his exoneration
>>if they have any. Furthermore, I > would kindly ask my respectful
>>recipients, to just hit over to the > following URL: > > > > > >
>>http://www.cufi.org > > > > > > Christians United for Israel. Or
>>CUFI for short. > > > > > > > > This is the official website of
>>this lobby, which was founded by Pastor > Jhon Hagee. Many
>>christian organizations in the United states today, are > utterly
>>affiliated with that radical lobby. It's largely sponsored by >
>>Christian organizations and individuals around the country. You may
>>tour > their website, and then, you may possibly ask
>>yourself; > > > > > > What on earth a religious association has to
>>do with political interests? > > > > > > Why they would be
>>affiliated with a lobby, that explicitly fundraises, to > supply
>>Israel militarily? > > > > > > I can present conspicuous evidents
>>that substantially proves my > proclaimation. > > > > > >
>>Christians United for Israel is the largest Christian lobby in the
>>United > states, which essentially advocates for Christian
>>sustainable alignment > with the state of Israel. In their annual
>>summit of 2012, Netanyahu was > the keynote speaker for this
>>particular convention. > > Here you go: > > > > > >
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqgDKbGUdT0 > > > > > > > > Kindly,
>>can someone explain to me, what does that mean? > > > > > > > > The
>>major essence of this Christian dispensationalism is of its
>>political > apostasy. They label Islam as their common enemy in
>>spades. > > > > You may watch this. > > > >
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODwSdugsvJg > > > > Now, how can we
>>determine whether someone is a Christian Zionist or not? > > > >
>>What do we need to examine? > > > > > > Well, at its inception, we
>>need to verify, whether someone or his Church > congregation are
>>affiliated with any significant assets in Israel. > > > > Secondly,
>>we need to verify whether someone or his Church congregation are >
>>radically assaulting Islam, considering it as a major
>>threat. > > > > Furthermore, we need to verify whether someone or
>>his Church > congregation are publishing hateful materials about
>>Islam, Muslims, and > Muslim countries. > > > > I am skeptic of
>>using the compound term, the middle east. Because it's an > Israeli
>>recognition. > > > > There are many Christian Zionist websites and
>>online publications. > > > > Well amongst them are: > > > >
>>faithfreedom.org, jihadwatch.org, muslimhope.org, and the list goes
>>on. > > Well, I am sharing this to essentially expand the mass
>>awareness and > consciousness about religious extremism. > > > > As
>>I am intensely against the brotherhood religious extremism, I am
>>also > against the Christian religious extremism. > > > > If any
>>religious denomination decided to highjack its faith, to use it
>>in > gaining political aims, that would probably be considered as
>>Zionism. > > > > Zionism is a broadly controversial term, it
>>reflects a negative > connotation, and in my humble opinion, it
>>hasn't yet been accurately > defined. > > > > Do you want to
>>know what the term Zionist actually means? > > > > Listen to its
>>principles layed out by a former Zionist figure, Benjamin >
>>Freedman. > > > > Benjamin Freedman has given a bravely patriotic
>>speech to his nation in > 1961. > > > > He warned them about the
>>threat of growing Zionism. > > > > > >
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A2Nc8Fjx2k > > > > Zionism is any
>>faithful movement, which trespasses the religious tennets > of its
>>denomination, to essentially attain political ambitions, or >
>>financial global dominance. > > > > Zionist Jews and Christians
>>are influentially imposing their eminent > authority onto the
>>decision making arena in the United states. > > > > This is not a
>>secret for sure. > > > > Whilst it's not something to veil, many
>>Americans unfortunately, are > perfectly deceived and
>>disinformed. > > > > My post hasn't been intended to denounce or to
>>desecrate someone's faith. > > > > To the contrary, I just intended
>>to widespread awareness and enlightenment > to my friends. > > > >
>>Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, they all are sharing common >
>>fundamentals, and they all are advocating for tolerance and
>>deference. > > > > We may all agree or disagree on certain
>>theological concepts but, what I > am warning about is totally of a
>>different story. > > > > I am warning about a political apostasy,
>>which commits atrocities in the > name of the divine. > > > > I
>>hope I haven't offended anyone. > > > > My post is intended to
>>address the difference in between religious > devotion and, the
>>vicious defection which aims to gain political > interest,
>>throughout misusing religious symbols. > > > > There could be
>>Zionist Jews, Christian Zionists, or even, Muslim Zionists > for
>>that matter. > > > > Yes, definitely. > > > > And this is why we
>>rejected the brotherhood ruling Egypt. > > > > Because they were
>>misusing religious symbols, for essentially dominating > Egyptians,
>>tiredly restricting them, and invalidly speaking on God's >
>>behalf. > > > > I personally consider Iran as a Zionist Muslim
>>state. > > > > The United states is a Zionist Christian
>>state. > > > > Israel, is a Zionist Jewish state. > > > > They all
>>highjack religious fundamentals for political gains. > > > > This
>>is a turning point. > > > > Zionism is the major threat to the
>>whole world. > > > > Zionism is the major source of religious
>>extremism in all religions, which > nourishes radicalism,
>>terrorism, and atrocity. > > I quite recognize the Christian
>>Zionist pestiferous influence on American > media. > > These people
>>ought to be firmly stood against. > > They label Islam as their
>>major threat, and they constantly promote > poisonous thoughts
>>about Islam. > > They are unified with the racial state of
>>Israel. > > I challenge the Christian dispensationalism
>>and Apocalyptic Rapture > theologians to just criticize
>>Israel. > > I will never get tired of speaking at this subject,
>>over, and over again. > > I will constantly warn Americans,
>>Muslims, Arabs, Christians, and everyone > else of this eminent
>>threat. > > Christian Zionism is even more dangerous than Jewish
>>Zionism. > > They misuse religious symbles to deceive their
>>audience. > > Please, it doesn't matter where do you live in the
>>world. > > It doesn't matter who you are, or what's your
>>religion. > > You must recognize, that Christian Zionist
>>Evangelists are persistently > supporting the state of Israel,
>>whilst utterlly dismissing the plainly > insensate atrocities,
>>which Israel commits on a daily basis against > Palestinian
>>civilians, either they were Muslims, or Christians. > In
>>addition, Christian Zionist Evangelists tolerate roket strikes, >
>>Neuclar bombing of Palestinian civil means, as long as that
>>justifys > expanding the settlement construction of Israel military
>>occupation. > > Christian Zionist Evangelists encourage nourishing
>>the radical sense and > sectarian strife among Muslims and
>>Christians in mostly populated Muslim > countries, to justify the
>>foreign intervension to defy the fraudulently > proclaimed
>>religious persecution which they emphatically
>>fabricate. > > Christian Zionism is not a myth. > > The real myth
>>is to attempt denying its existence and its effective > presence
>>onto the United states political rhetoric. > > Please, don't think
>>I am exaggerating. > > Help me spreading the cautionary sentiment,
>>warning the people about the > Christian Zionist influential
>>authority. > If you were a Christian, and you attempted to somehow
>>belittle the subject's > substantial enormity, I am afraid that I
>>will have to consider you > involved, or influenced by this
>>political ideology. > > >
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