[Faith-talk] The subject which noone talks about.
Linda Mentink
mentink at frontiernet.net
Sun Nov 17 04:06:52 UTC 2013
Well, he also sends the same, and more, to many of us off list. He
never responds when we respond to him. I don't know if I can do as
you suggested in my email client!
He's free to post here, of course!
Blessings,
Linda
At 09:49 PM 11/16/2013, you wrote:
>If such is the case, you could even create a message filter rule in
>your email client and send the messages directly to trash.
>
>As for myself, I have responded to a few of Mustafa's posts and
>found the exchange intersting and thoughtprovoking.
>
>Many of us forget that this is a list for the discussion of faith
>and not the Christian faith in particular.
>
>I have no intent to change my religious affiliation or beliefs but
>think a lot can be gained from the exchange with others.
>
>Doris in Lutherland
>At 09:16 PM 11/16/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>>I'm just deleting them. He doesn't want our input really.
>>
>>At 10:59 AM 11/15/2013, you wrote:
>>>I wonder how long these posts have been being recycled? -----
>>>Original Message ----- From: "Mostafa" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>
>>>To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 4:21
>>>AM Subject: [Faith-talk] The subject which noone talks about. >
>>>This is a very important post. > > > > This is the subject, which
>>>nobody talks about. > > > > Please, read, comprehend and
>>>share. > > > > So, what is Christian Zionism? > > Christian
>>>Zionism is a political movement, which originally descends from >
>>>a gravely radical element of Protestantism. They mostly live
>>>abroad, > particularly, in the United states, and they are
>>>theologically motivated > by the christian zionist notorious
>>>influence. They predominantly believe > in the literal
>>>interpretation of the Bible. And, they derive a bitter > notion,
>>>based on that particular doctrinal tennet. Among the main
>>>founders > and key directors of this extremist movement, are
>>>Pastor John Hagee, the > radical evangelical Televangelist Pat
>>>Robertson, the fabricating author, > Robert Spencer with his awful
>>>companion, the liar Pamela Geller, and > finally, the heavily
>>>prevaricator and eternally expelled ex Coptic Father, > zakaria
>>>botros. Due to his stubborn profanity and inflammatory remarks,
>>>he > was permanently banned from the Coptic Church. I personally
>>>verified that > with local coptic officials. He was eternally
>>>banished from the Church for > his shameful misbehaviors and
>>>verbal assaults. He is now a radical > Protestant apologist,
>>>currently inhabits the United states. Formerly, > he used to be
>>>an actor at the Church. He currently lives in the United > states,
>>>and he is in a regular communication with the radical
>>>missionaries > I just listed above. He is quite popular for his
>>>anti-islam views, his > affirmative discourtesy, his dishonourable
>>>statements, his intentional > misquotes, misinterpretations,
>>>and acrimonious corruptions of Islamic > text. Well for instance,
>>>he wickedly insulted muslim women who wear Hijab. > He
>>>sarcastically described them them as the darken tents. He said
>>>horrible > things about our noble prophet, (salla Allahu alaihi wa
>>>sallam), and he > wickedly abused his wives. He deliberately
>>>devises the meaning which > helps him to forge, to develop and
>>>promote an assaulting propaganda about > Islamic teachings. Well
>>>however, his malefactor equivocations were > informatively
>>>countered, substantially refuted and invalidated by Doctor > Fadel
>>>Solomon, along with many other prominent muslim clerics. Well >
>>>ordinarily, such hateful pastors and apologists are quite known
>>>for their > enormously provocative disposition about Islam. They
>>>strongly adhere a > Zionist agenda, and it's their top priority to
>>>advocate for guarding > Israel national security. They constantly
>>>call for that in the Congress, > and in another major domestic
>>>political assemblies in the United states. > Furthermore, they
>>>strenuously exert their efforts, to essentially invoke >
>>>theological suspicions among muslim masses. I was previously asked
>>>by > couple of christian Zionists, to watch Zakaria botros
>>>episodes about > Islam. One of them is an Arab, and another one is
>>>American. I would like > to thank them pretty much for their
>>>sincere advice. They just helped me > exposing to the publicity
>>>who Zakaria botros is. They never searched who > is Zakaria Botros
>>>, nor they never bothered themselves to just verify > whether he
>>>was theologically certified to talk about Islam the way he > does.
>>>They just liked the fact, that he appears in the television, >
>>>assaulting Islam, and posing incorrect alegations about Islamic
>>>sources. > > > > > > Little that they know about the so called
>>>Zakaria botros religious > bigotry, his malicious intent, and his
>>>terrific perfidy to his egyptian > identity. He calls Egypt a
>>>terrorist state, wavering that notion to those > who he may be in
>>>touch with at the Congress, while attempting to encourage > them
>>>to potentially label Egypt as a threatening entity, and to even >
>>>occupy Egypt militarily if that was necessary. He even insulted
>>>the coptic > Pope in Egypt. Moreover, it's overwhelmingly
>>>evidenced against him, that > he stands behind the nigrified
>>>curtains of innocence of muslims, the > detrimental film which
>>>sparked outrage and violence around the world. > Although, he
>>>doesn't directly appear at the front, but it is allegedly >
>>>leavened that he is actually behind the seen, and that all the >
>>>reprehensible concepts were actually inspired by his hateful
>>>views. > Is that your best role-model sir? Wow. Couldn't you just
>>>find any better? > I'm personally convinced that Zakaria botros
>>>and his assimilators are > tremendously inspired by a hidden plot,
>>>a deeply concealed Zionist agenda. > The coptic church is
>>>extremely commendable for formally disposing this > maligned
>>>hater. I would like his supporters to present their significant >
>>>evidence, that proves his exoneration if they have any.
>>>Furthermore, I > would kindly ask my respectful recipients, to
>>>just hit over to the > following URL: > > > > > >
>>>http://www.cufi.org > > > > > > Christians United for Israel. Or
>>>CUFI for short. > > > > > > > > This is the official website of
>>>this lobby, which was founded by Pastor > Jhon Hagee. Many
>>>christian organizations in the United states today, are > utterly
>>>affiliated with that radical lobby. It's largely sponsored by >
>>>Christian organizations and individuals around the country. You
>>>may tour > their website, and then, you may possibly ask
>>>yourself; > > > > > > What on earth a religious association has to
>>>do with political interests? > > > > > > Why they would be
>>>affiliated with a lobby, that explicitly fundraises, to > supply
>>>Israel militarily? > > > > > > I can present conspicuous evidents
>>>that substantially proves my > proclaimation. > > > > > >
>>>Christians United for Israel is the largest Christian lobby in the
>>>United > states, which essentially advocates for Christian
>>>sustainable alignment > with the state of Israel. In their annual
>>>summit of 2012, Netanyahu was > the keynote speaker for this
>>>particular convention. > > Here you go: > > > > > >
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqgDKbGUdT0 > > > > > > > > Kindly,
>>>can someone explain to me, what does that mean? > > > > > > > >
>>>The major essence of this Christian dispensationalism is of its
>>>political > apostasy. They label Islam as their common enemy in
>>>spades. > > > > You may watch this. > > > >
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODwSdugsvJg > > > > Now, how can we
>>>determine whether someone is a Christian Zionist or not? > > > >
>>>What do we need to examine? > > > > > > Well, at its inception, we
>>>need to verify, whether someone or his Church > congregation are
>>>affiliated with any significant assets in Israel. > > > >
>>>Secondly, we need to verify whether someone or his Church
>>>congregation are > radically assaulting Islam, considering it as a
>>>major threat. > > > > Furthermore, we need to verify whether
>>>someone or his Church > congregation are publishing hateful
>>>materials about Islam, Muslims, and > Muslim countries. > > > > I
>>>am skeptic of using the compound term, the middle east. Because
>>>it's an > Israeli recognition. > > > > There are many Christian
>>>Zionist websites and online publications. > > > > Well amongst
>>>them are: > > > > faithfreedom.org, jihadwatch.org,
>>>muslimhope.org, and the list goes on. > > Well, I am sharing this
>>>to essentially expand the mass awareness and > consciousness about
>>>religious extremism. > > > > As I am intensely against the
>>>brotherhood religious extremism, I am also > against the Christian
>>>religious extremism. > > > > If any religious denomination decided
>>>to highjack its faith, to use it in > gaining political aims, that
>>>would probably be considered as Zionism. > > > > Zionism is a
>>>broadly controversial term, it reflects a negative > connotation,
>>>and in my humble opinion, it hasn't yet been accurately >
>>>defined. > > > > Do you want to know what the term Zionist
>>>actually means? > > > > Listen to its principles layed out by a
>>>former Zionist figure, Benjamin > Freedman. > > > > Benjamin
>>>Freedman has given a bravely patriotic speech to his nation in >
>>>1961. > > > > He warned them about the threat of growing
>>>Zionism. > > > > > >
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A2Nc8Fjx2k > > > > Zionism is any
>>>faithful movement, which trespasses the religious tennets > of its
>>>denomination, to essentially attain political ambitions, or >
>>>financial global dominance. > > > > Zionist Jews and Christians
>>>are influentially imposing their eminent > authority onto the
>>>decision making arena in the United states. > > > > This is not a
>>>secret for sure. > > > > Whilst it's not something to veil, many
>>>Americans unfortunately, are > perfectly deceived and
>>>disinformed. > > > > My post hasn't been intended to denounce or
>>>to desecrate someone's faith. > > > > To the contrary, I just
>>>intended to widespread awareness and enlightenment > to my
>>>friends. > > > > Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, they all are
>>>sharing common > fundamentals, and they all are advocating for
>>>tolerance and deference. > > > > We may all agree or disagree on
>>>certain theological concepts but, what I > am warning about is
>>>totally of a different story. > > > > I am warning about a
>>>political apostasy, which commits atrocities in the > name of the
>>>divine. > > > > I hope I haven't offended anyone. > > > > My post
>>>is intended to address the difference in between religious >
>>>devotion and, the vicious defection which aims to gain
>>>political > interest, throughout misusing religious
>>>symbols. > > > > There could be Zionist Jews, Christian Zionists,
>>>or even, Muslim Zionists > for that matter. > > > > Yes,
>>>definitely. > > > > And this is why we rejected the brotherhood
>>>ruling Egypt. > > > > Because they were misusing religious
>>>symbols, for essentially dominating > Egyptians, tiredly
>>>restricting them, and invalidly speaking on God's >
>>>behalf. > > > > I personally consider Iran as a Zionist Muslim
>>>state. > > > > The United states is a Zionist Christian
>>>state. > > > > Israel, is a Zionist Jewish state. > > > > They all
>>>highjack religious fundamentals for political gains. > > > > This
>>>is a turning point. > > > > Zionism is the major threat to the
>>>whole world. > > > > Zionism is the major source of religious
>>>extremism in all religions, which > nourishes radicalism,
>>>terrorism, and atrocity. > > I quite recognize the Christian
>>>Zionist pestiferous influence on American > media. > > These
>>>people ought to be firmly stood against. > > They label Islam as
>>>their major threat, and they constantly promote > poisonous
>>>thoughts about Islam. > > They are unified with the racial state
>>>of Israel. > > I challenge the Christian dispensationalism
>>>and Apocalyptic Rapture > theologians to just criticize
>>>Israel. > > I will never get tired of speaking at this subject,
>>>over, and over again. > > I will constantly warn Americans,
>>>Muslims, Arabs, Christians, and everyone > else of this eminent
>>>threat. > > Christian Zionism is even more dangerous than Jewish
>>>Zionism. > > They misuse religious symbles to deceive their
>>>audience. > > Please, it doesn't matter where do you live in the
>>>world. > > It doesn't matter who you are, or what's your
>>>religion. > > You must recognize, that Christian Zionist
>>>Evangelists are persistently > supporting the state of Israel,
>>>whilst utterlly dismissing the plainly > insensate atrocities,
>>>which Israel commits on a daily basis against > Palestinian
>>>civilians, either they were Muslims, or Christians. > In
>>>addition, Christian Zionist Evangelists tolerate roket strikes, >
>>>Neuclar bombing of Palestinian civil means, as long as that
>>>justifys > expanding the settlement construction of Israel
>>>military occupation. > > Christian Zionist Evangelists encourage
>>>nourishing the radical sense and > sectarian strife among Muslims
>>>and Christians in mostly populated Muslim > countries, to justify
>>>the foreign intervension to defy the fraudulently > proclaimed
>>>religious persecution which they emphatically
>>>fabricate. > > Christian Zionism is not a myth. > > The real
>>>myth is to attempt denying its existence and its effective >
>>>presence onto the United states political rhetoric. > > Please,
>>>don't think I am exaggerating. > > Help me spreading the
>>>cautionary sentiment, warning the people about the > Christian
>>>Zionist influential authority. > If you were a Christian, and you
>>>attempted to somehow belittle the subject's > substantial
>>>enormity, I am afraid that I will have to consider you > involved,
>>>or influenced by this political ideology. > > >
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