[Faith-talk] The subject which noone talks about.
Poppa Bear
heavens4real at gmail.com
Sun Nov 17 19:13:57 UTC 2013
There in lyes the problem, it seams like a bad way to go, kind of sneaky and
sideways tacticks. an unethical aproach that tends to put a bad taste in the
mouth.
In His loving grip
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From: "Snow White Dove" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] The subject which noone talks about.
>I can tell you from experience. But that doesn't work.
> Not exactly sure how he does it. And would sure like to know. But he's
> gotten through a block of mine already.
> Tired of it tired of it tired of it.
> He's gotten on a purely Christian email list and done the same thing.
> Okay I see this is a face talk list and I respect that.
> But never would I get on Islamic list and start questioning/attacking
> Islam. It's just playing out disrespectful.
> Jenny
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 16, 2013, at 9:49 PM, Doris and Chris <chipmunks at gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>> If such is the case, you could even create a message filter rule in your
>> email client and send the messages directly to trash.
>>
>> As for myself, I have responded to a few of Mustafa's posts and found the
>> exchange intersting and thoughtprovoking.
>>
>> Many of us forget that this is a list for the discussion of faith and not
>> the Christian faith in particular.
>>
>> I have no intent to change my religious affiliation or beliefs but think
>> a lot can be gained from the exchange with others.
>>
>> Doris in Lutherland
>> At 09:16 PM 11/16/2013 -0600, you wrote:
>>> I'm just deleting them. He doesn't want our input really.
>>>
>>> At 10:59 AM 11/15/2013, you wrote:
>>>> I wonder how long these posts have been being recycled? ----- Original
>>>> Message ----- From: "Mostafa" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com> To:
>>>> <Undisclosed-Recipient:;> Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 4:21 AM
>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] The subject which noone talks about. > This is a
>>>> very important post. > > > > This is the subject, which nobody talks
>>>> about. > > > > Please, read, comprehend and share. > > > > So, what is
>>>> Christian Zionism? > > Christian Zionism is a political movement, which
>>>> originally descends from > a gravely radical element of Protestantism.
>>>> They mostly live abroad, > particularly, in the United states, and they
>>>> are theologically motivated > by the christian zionist notorious
>>>> influence. They predominantly believe > in the literal interpretation
>>>> of the Bible. And, they derive a bitter > notion, based on that
>>>> particular doctrinal tennet. Among the main founders > and key
>>>> directors of this extremist movement, are Pastor John Hagee, the >
>>>> radical evangelical Televangelist Pat Robertson, the fabricating
>>>> author, > Robert Spencer with his awful companion, the liar Pamela
>>>> Geller, and > finally, the heavily prevaricator and eternally expelled
>>>> ex Coptic Father, > zakaria botros. Due to his stubborn profanity and
>>>> inflammatory remarks, he > was permanently banned from the Coptic
>>>> Church. I personally verified that > with local coptic officials. He
>>>> was eternally banished from the Church for > his shameful misbehaviors
>>>> and verbal assaults. He is now a radical > Protestant apologist,
>>>> currently inhabits the United states. Formerly, > he used to be an
>>>> actor at the Church. He currently lives in the United > states, and he
>>>> is in a regular communication with the radical missionaries > I just
>>>> listed above. He is quite popular for his anti-islam views, his >
>>>> affirmative discourtesy, his dishonourable statements, his
>>>> intentional > misquotes, misinterpretations, and acrimonious
>>>> corruptions of Islamic > text. Well for instance, he wickedly insulted
>>>> muslim women who wear Hijab. > He sarcastically described them them as
>>>> the darken tents. He said horrible > things about our noble prophet,
>>>> (salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam), and he > wickedly abused his wives.
>>>> He deliberately devises the meaning which > helps him to forge, to
>>>> develop and promote an assaulting propaganda about > Islamic teachings.
>>>> Well however, his malefactor equivocations were > informatively
>>>> countered, substantially refuted and invalidated by Doctor > Fadel
>>>> Solomon, along with many other prominent muslim clerics. Well >
>>>> ordinarily, such hateful pastors and apologists are quite known for
>>>> their > enormously provocative disposition about Islam. They strongly
>>>> adhere a > Zionist agenda, and it's their top priority to advocate for
>>>> guarding > Israel national security. They constantly call for that in
>>>> the Congress, > and in another major domestic political assemblies in
>>>> the United states. > Furthermore, they strenuously exert their efforts,
>>>> to essentially invoke > theological suspicions among muslim masses. I
>>>> was previously asked by > couple of christian Zionists, to watch
>>>> Zakaria botros episodes about > Islam. One of them is an Arab, and
>>>> another one is American. I would like > to thank them pretty much for
>>>> their sincere advice. They just helped me > exposing to the publicity
>>>> who Zakaria botros is. They never searched who > is Zakaria Botros ,
>>>> nor they never bothered themselves to just verify > whether he was
>>>> theologically certified to talk about Islam the way he > does. They
>>>> just liked the fact, that he appears in the television, > assaulting
>>>> Islam, and posing incorrect alegations about Islamic sources. > > > > >
>>>> > Little that they know about the so called Zakaria botros religious >
>>>> bigotry, his malicious intent, and his terrific perfidy to his egyptian
>>>> > identity. He calls Egypt a terrorist state, wavering that notion to
>>>> those > who he may be in touch with at the Congress, while attempting
>>>> to encourage > them to potentially label Egypt as a threatening entity,
>>>> and to even > occupy Egypt militarily if that was necessary. He even
>>>> insulted the coptic > Pope in Egypt. Moreover, it's overwhelmingly
>>>> evidenced against him, that > he stands behind the nigrified curtains
>>>> of innocence of muslims, the > detrimental film which sparked outrage
>>>> and violence around the world. > Although, he doesn't directly appear
>>>> at the front, but it is allegedly > leavened that he is actually behind
>>>> the seen, and that all the > reprehensible concepts were actually
>>>> inspired by his hateful views. > Is that your best role-model sir? Wow.
>>>> Couldn't you just find any better? > I'm personally convinced that
>>>> Zakaria botros and his assimilators are > tremendously inspired by a
>>>> hidden plot, a deeply concealed Zionist agenda. > The coptic church is
>>>> extremely commendable for formally disposing this > maligned hater. I
>>>> would like his supporters to present their significant > evidence, that
>>>> proves his exoneration if they have any. Furthermore, I > would kindly
>>>> ask my respectful recipients, to just hit over to the > following URL:
>>>> > > > > > > http://www.cufi.org > > > > > > Christians United for
>>>> Israel. Or CUFI for short. > > > > > > > > This is the official website
>>>> of this lobby, which was founded by Pastor > Jhon Hagee. Many christian
>>>> organizations in the United states today, are > utterly affiliated with
>>>> that radical lobby. It's largely sponsored by > Christian organizations
>>>> and individuals around the country. You may tour > their website, and
>>>> then, you may possibly ask yourself; > > > > > > What on earth a
>>>> religious association has to do with political interests? > > > > > >
>>>> Why they would be affiliated with a lobby, that explicitly fundraises,
>>>> to > supply Israel militarily? > > > > > > I can present conspicuous
>>>> evidents that substantially proves my > proclaimation. > > > > > >
>>>> Christians United for Israel is the largest Christian lobby in the
>>>> United > states, which essentially advocates for Christian sustainable
>>>> alignment > with the state of Israel. In their annual summit of 2012,
>>>> Netanyahu was > the keynote speaker for this particular convention. > >
>>>> Here you go: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqgDKbGUdT0 > >
>>>> > > > > > > Kindly, can someone explain to me, what does that mean? > >
>>>> > > > > > > The major essence of this Christian dispensationalism is of
>>>> its political > apostasy. They label Islam as their common enemy in
>>>> spades. > > > > You may watch this. > > > >
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODwSdugsvJg > > > > Now, how can we
>>>> determine whether someone is a Christian Zionist or not? > > > > What
>>>> do we need to examine? > > > > > > Well, at its inception, we need to
>>>> verify, whether someone or his Church > congregation are affiliated
>>>> with any significant assets in Israel. > > > > Secondly, we need to
>>>> verify whether someone or his Church congregation are > radically
>>>> assaulting Islam, considering it as a major threat. > > > >
>>>> Furthermore, we need to verify whether someone or his Church >
>>>> congregation are publishing hateful materials about Islam, Muslims, and
>>>> > Muslim countries. > > > > I am skeptic of using the compound term,
>>>> the middle east. Because it's an > Israeli recognition. > > > > There
>>>> are many Christian Zionist websites and online publications. > > > >
>>>> Well amongst them are: > > > > faithfreedom.org, jihadwatch.org,
>>>> muslimhope.org, and the list goes on. > > Well, I am sharing this to
>>>> essentially expand the mass awareness and > consciousness about
>>>> religious extremism. > > > > As I am intensely against the brotherhood
>>>> religious extremism, I am also > against the Christian religious
>>>> extremism. > > > > If any religious denomination decided to highjack
>>>> its faith, to use it in > gaining political aims, that would probably
>>>> be considered as Zionism. > > > > Zionism is a broadly controversial
>>>> term, it reflects a negative > connotation, and in my humble opinion,
>>>> it hasn't yet been accurately > defined. > > > > Do you want to
>>>> know what the term Zionist actually means? > > > > Listen to its
>>>> principles layed out by a former Zionist figure, Benjamin > Freedman. >
>>>> > > > Benjamin Freedman has given a bravely patriotic speech to his
>>>> nation in > 1961. > > > > He warned them about the threat of growing
>>>> Zionism. > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A2Nc8Fjx2k > > > >
>>>> Zionism is any faithful movement, which trespasses the religious
>>>> tennets > of its denomination, to essentially attain political
>>>> ambitions, or > financial global dominance. > > > > Zionist Jews and
>>>> Christians are influentially imposing their eminent > authority onto
>>>> the decision making arena in the United states. > > > > This is not a
>>>> secret for sure. > > > > Whilst it's not something to veil, many
>>>> Americans unfortunately, are > perfectly deceived and disinformed. > >
>>>> > > My post hasn't been intended to denounce or to desecrate someone's
>>>> faith. > > > > To the contrary, I just intended to widespread awareness
>>>> and enlightenment > to my friends. > > > > Judaism, Christianity, and
>>>> Islam, they all are sharing common > fundamentals, and they all are
>>>> advocating for tolerance and deference. > > > > We may all agree or
>>>> disagree on certain theological concepts but, what I > am warning about
>>>> is totally of a different story. > > > > I am warning about a political
>>>> apostasy, which commits atrocities in the > name of the divine. > > >
>>>> > I hope I haven't offended anyone. > > > > My post is intended to
>>>> address the difference in between religious > devotion and, the vicious
>>>> defection which aims to gain political > interest, throughout misusing
>>>> religious symbols. > > > > There could be Zionist Jews, Christian
>>>> Zionists, or even, Muslim Zionists > for that matter. > > > > Yes,
>>>> definitely. > > > > And this is why we rejected the brotherhood ruling
>>>> Egypt. > > > > Because they were misusing religious symbols, for
>>>> essentially dominating > Egyptians, tiredly restricting them, and
>>>> invalidly speaking on God's > behalf. > > > > I personally consider
>>>> Iran as a Zionist Muslim state. > > > > The United states is a Zionist
>>>> Christian state. > > > > Israel, is a Zionist Jewish state. > > > >
>>>> They all highjack religious fundamentals for political gains. > > > >
>>>> This is a turning point. > > > > Zionism is the major threat to the
>>>> whole world. > > > > Zionism is the major source of religious extremism
>>>> in all religions, which > nourishes radicalism, terrorism, and
>>>> atrocity. > > I quite recognize the Christian Zionist pestiferous
>>>> influence on American > media. > > These people ought to be firmly
>>>> stood against. > > They label Islam as their major threat, and they
>>>> constantly promote > poisonous thoughts about Islam. > > They are
>>>> unified with the racial state of Israel. > > I challenge the Christian
>>>> dispensationalism and Apocalyptic Rapture > theologians to just
>>>> criticize Israel. > > I will never get tired of speaking at this
>>>> subject, over, and over again. > > I will constantly warn Americans,
>>>> Muslims, Arabs, Christians, and everyone > else of this eminent threat.
>>>> > > Christian Zionism is even more dangerous than Jewish Zionism. > >
>>>> They misuse religious symbles to deceive their audience. > > Please, it
>>>> doesn't matter where do you live in the world. > > It doesn't matter
>>>> who you are, or what's your religion. > > You must recognize, that
>>>> Christian Zionist Evangelists are persistently > supporting the state
>>>> of Israel, whilst utterlly dismissing the plainly > insensate
>>>> atrocities, which Israel commits on a daily basis against > Palestinian
>>>> civilians, either they were Muslims, or Christians. > In addition,
>>>> Christian Zionist Evangelists tolerate roket strikes, > Neuclar bombing
>>>> of Palestinian civil means, as long as that justifys > expanding the
>>>> settlement construction of Israel military occupation. > > Christian
>>>> Zionist Evangelists encourage nourishing the radical sense and >
>>>> sectarian strife among Muslims and Christians in mostly populated
>>>> Muslim > countries, to justify the foreign intervension to defy the
>>>> fraudulently > proclaimed religious persecution which they
>>>> emphatically fabricate. > > Christian Zionism is not a myth. > > The
>>>> real myth is to attempt denying its existence and its effective >
>>>> presence onto the United states political rhetoric. > > Please, don't
>>>> think I am exaggerating. > > Help me spreading the cautionary
>>>> sentiment, warning the people about the > Christian Zionist influential
>>>> authority. > If you were a Christian, and you attempted to somehow
>>>> belittle the subject's > substantial enormity, I am afraid that I will
>>>> have to consider you > involved, or influenced by this political
>>>> ideology. > > > _______________________________________________ >
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