[Faith-talk] Faith-talk Digest, Vol 76, Issue 23
Poppa Bear
heavens4real at gmail.com
Sun Nov 24 05:23:40 UTC 2013
Renewing your mind is a great program.
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> Good evening. I learned from a prominent Christian radio show here in the
> U.S., Renewing Your Mind, several things about the false religion of
> Islam. That fact that Mustafa can come on this list and slander
> Christians, the Bible, and the god of the Bible, as well as Jesus Christ
> the Messiah who is blessed forever deserves correcting. Mohammed chose
> the moon god out of the many pagan Arabian gods to be the god of Islam. I
> have no evil intent from posting this message, but I just can't keep
> silent when my faith is being attacked like this. Get the facts.
>
>
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>> 1. Re: Update (Debby Phillips)
>> 2. Daily Thought for Thursday, November 21, 2013 (Paul)
>> 3. WHO wrote the Bible? And CBN promoting Islamophobia for
>> dummies. (Mostafa)
>> 4. Re: WHO wrote the Bible? And CBN promoting Islamophobiafor
>> dummies. (Poppa Bear)
>> 5. Re: WHO wrote the Bible? And CBN promoting Islamophobiafor
>> dummies. (Doris and Chris)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:40:16 -0800
>> From: Debby Phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: "HandsHeartAndHome at yahoogroups.com"
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>> Hi Linda, so sorry it has taken me so long to respond, I am way behind.
>> I am so sorry about the loss of your dad. I will be praying for you as
>> you sing, I did that for my dad's funeral, and it was one of the most
>> difficult things I have ever done. But I know that God will give you the
>> strength you need. Blessings, Debby Phillips
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 18, 2013, at 12:50 PM, Linda Mentink <mentink at frontiernet.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> The memorial service for Dad will be Saturday, so I'm staying put until
>>> Friday. I don't have to rush to get packed now! Smile.
>>>
>>> Blessings,
>>>
>>> Linda
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:52:37 -0500
>> From: "Paul" <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>
>> To: <SereneMountain at yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Daily Thought for Thursday, November 21, 2013
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>> Sorry folks, but because of the amount of email messages I have to go
>> through, plus the facts that I'm extremely tired and have to go to my
>> Lions Club meeting, there will be no daily thought message for today.
>> That phrase "Lord willing" at the end of each message is not to be taken
>> lightly, and even more so in this case. However, again Lord willing
>> there will be a Daily Thought message and the wisdom gems and pearls all
>> ready for tomorrow morning. Thanks for your understanding in this
>> matter. Yours in Christ, Paul
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 04:36:33 +0200
>> From: "Mostafa" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>
>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] WHO wrote the Bible? And CBN promoting
>> Islamophobia for dummies.
>> Message-ID: <6DFCFAED20D141EBA4718456C4736837 at Win7PC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256"
>>
>> Apart from the most rabid fundamentalists among us, nearly everyone
>> admits that the Bible contains errors. A faulty creation story here, a
>> historical mistake there, a contradiction or two in some other textual
>> poses.
>>
>>
>>
>> But is it possible that the problem is worse than that -- that the Bible
>> actually contains lies?
>>
>> Most people wouldn't put it that way, since the Bible is, after all,
>> sacred Scripture for millions on our planet. But good Christian scholars
>> of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of the
>> United States illustrious seminaries will tell you that the Bible is
>> full of lies, even if they refuse to use the term. And here is the truth:
>> Many of the books of the New Testament were written by people who lied
>> about their identity, claiming to be a famous apostle -- Peter, Paul or
>> James -- knowing full well they were someone else. In modern parlance,
>> that is a lie, and a book written by someone who lies about his identity
>> is a forgery.
>>
>> Most modern scholars of the Bible are reluctant of using these terms, and
>> for understandable reasons, some having to do with their clientele.
>> Teaching in Christian seminaries, or to largely Christian undergraduate
>> populations, who wants to denigrate the cherished texts of Scripture by
>> calling them forgeries built on lies? And so scholars use a different
>> term for this phenomenon and call such books "pseudepigrapha."
>>
>> You will find this antiseptic term throughout the writings of modern
>> scholars of the Bible. It's the term used in university classes on the
>> New Testament, in seminary courses, and in Ph.D seminars. What the people
>> who use the term do not tell you is that it literally means "writing that
>> is inscribed with a lie."
>>
>> And that's what such writings are. Whoever wrote the New Testament book
>> of 2 Peter claimed to be Peter. But scholars everywhere -- except for our
>> friends among the fundamentalists -- will tell you that there is no way
>> on God's green earth that Peter wrote the book. Someone else wrote it
>> claiming to be Peter. Scholars may also tell you that it was an
>> acceptable practice in the ancient world for someone to write a book in
>> the name of someone else. But that is where they are wrong. If you look
>> at what ancient people actually said about the practice, you'll see that
>> they invariably called it lying and condemned it as a deceitful practice,
>> even in Christian circles. 2 Peter was finally accepted into the New
>> Testament because the church fathers, centuries later, were convinced
>> that Peter wrote it. But he didn't. Someone else did. And that someone
>> else lied about his identity.
>>
>> The same is true of many of the letters allegedly written by Paul. Most
>> scholars will tell you that whereas seven of the 13 letters that go under
>> Paul's name are his, the other six are not. Their authors merely claimed
>> to be Paul. In the ancient world, books like that were labeled as
>> condemnable lies.
>>
>> This may all seem like a bit of antiquarian curiosity, especially for
>> people whose lives don't depend on the Bible or even people of faith for
>> whom biblical matters are a peripheral interest at best. But in fact, it
>> matters sometimes. Whoever wrote the book of 1 Timothy claimed to be
>> Paul. But he was lying about that -- he was someone else living after
>> Paul had died. In his book, the author of 1 Timothy used Paul's name and
>> authority to address a problem that he saw in the church. Women were
>> speaking out, exercising authority and teaching men. That had to stop.
>> The author told women to be silent and submissive, and reminded his
>> readers about what happened the first time a woman was allowed to
>> exercise authority over a man, in that little incident in the garden of
>> Eden. No, the author argued, if women wanted to be saved, they were to
>> have babies (1 Tim. 2:11-15).
>>
>> Largely on the basis of this passage, the apostle Paul has been branded,
>> by more liberation minded people of recent generations, as one of
>> history's great misogynists. The problem, of course, is that Paul never
>> said any such thing. And why does it matter? Because the passage is still
>> used by church leaders today to oppress and silence women. Why are there
>> no women priests in the Catholic Church? Why are women not allowed to
>> preach in conservative evangelical churches? Why are there churches today
>> that do not allow women even to speak? In no small measure it is because
>> Paul allegedly taught that women had to be silent, submissive and
>> pregnant. Except that the person who taught this was not Paul, but
>> someone lying about his identity so that his readers would think he was
>> Paul.
>>
>> It may be one of the greatest ironies of the Christian scriptures that
>> some of them insist on truth, while telling a lie. For no author is truth
>> more important than for the "Paul" of Ephesians. He refers to the gospel
>> as "the word of truth" (1:13); he indicates that the "truth is in Jesus";
>> he tells his readers to "speak the truth" to their neighbors (4:24-25);
>> and he instructs his readers to "fasten the belt of truth around your
>> waist" (6:14). And yet he himself lied about who he was. He was not
>> really Paul.
>>
>> It appears that some of the New Testament writers, such as the authors of
>> 2 Peter, 1 Timothy and Ephesians, felt they were perfectly justified to
>> lie in order to tell the truth. But we today can at least evaluate their
>> claims and realize just how human, and fallible, they were. They were
>> creatures of their time and place. And so too were their teachings, lies
>> and all.
>>
>>
>>
>> The average Christian Apologist knows nothing about the various textual
>> discrepancies which the Bible consists.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> They never admit that the Bible consists of textual discrepancies and
>> contradictions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Instead of admitting that, they resort to knavishly slander and assault
>> Islam, because of its threatening entity to them, and, to cover up their
>> theological shortage.
>>
>>
>>
>> Consequently, it?s odd for them to admit that the Bible consists of
>> forgeries.
>>
>>
>>
>> To define technically, what is forgery?
>>
>>
>>
>> Linguistically, Forgery is the Criminal falsification by making or
>> altering an instrument with intent to defraud.
>>
>>
>>
>> Biblically, or in the biblical literature context; a forgery is the
>> imposed scriptural chronicle that is inscribed with a lie.
>>
>>
>>
>> There isn?t a biblical passage that narrates an account which could
>> possibly be excepted, even, the parables of Jesus that are recounted
>> throughout the gospels.
>>
>>
>>
>> According to renowned Biblical scholars, they all are utterly
>> susceptible to substantial textual criticism, and they all are filled
>> with doubtful factors.
>>
>>
>>
>> I suspect that Apologists of CBN would be dare enough to confront this
>> enormous crisis.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I found them to be the most wickedest missionaries I ever met.
>>
>>
>>
>> They just can?t speak the truth.
>>
>>
>>
>> CBN wicked Apologists are the one who brought it to themselves.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not going to stay silent whilst wicked Apologists of CBN are
>> deliberately assaulting Islam, denigrating and slandering its entity on a
>> virtually daily basis.
>>
>>
>>
>> If any of the recipients is affiliated with CBN mischievous Apologists,
>> he should?ve notified them about my defiant disposition to persistently
>> withstand Islam.
>>
>>
>>
>> CBN wicked Apologists are eminently convicted with radically
>> prejudicial and hateful sentiments, and we are unlikely to tolerate their
>> intent inequity, which is politically motivated.
>>
>>
>>
>> As I distinctly emphasized many times, it is a mental combat against
>> Islam and Muslims.
>>
>>
>>
>> This mental combat is going to be the mortal combat for those who waged
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
>> They forced us to periodically engage on this mentally confrontational
>> conflict, and we?re ready to face the challenge.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am still going to carry on exposing the terrible evilness of CBN
>> affiliates.
>>
>>
>>
>> I will present my plausible evidence, which plainly substantiates their
>> allege involvement to support and supply Israel militarily. So watch out
>> for the post that is yet to come.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:23:35 -0900
>> From: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] WHO wrote the Bible? And CBN promoting
>> Islamophobiafor dummies.
>> Message-ID: <E79BB223E90E459CBA76EC2C992F0268 at homepc>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1256";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Can't wait brother Mustafa.
>> Hope you are doing well in your part of the world and at peace. PS. "For
>> God
>> so loved the world that He gave His only Son and whoever believes in Him
>> will not die, but have everlasting life."
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mostafa" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>
>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 5:36 PM
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] WHO wrote the Bible? And CBN promoting
>> Islamophobiafor
>> dummies.
>>
>>
>>> Apart from the most rabid fundamentalists among us, nearly everyone
>>> admits
>>> that the Bible contains errors. A faulty creation story here, a
>>> historical
>>> mistake there, a contradiction or two in some other textual poses.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But is it possible that the problem is worse than that -- that the Bible
>>> actually contains lies?
>>>
>>> Most people wouldn't put it that way, since the Bible is, after all,
>>> sacred Scripture for millions on our planet. But good Christian scholars
>>> of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of the
>>> United States illustrious seminaries will tell you that the Bible is
>>> full of lies, even if they refuse to use the term. And here is the
>>> truth:
>>> Many of the books of the New Testament were written by people who lied
>>> about their identity, claiming to be a famous apostle -- Peter, Paul or
>>> James -- knowing full well they were someone else. In modern parlance,
>>> that is a lie, and a book written by someone who lies about his identity
>>> is a forgery.
>>>
>>> Most modern scholars of the Bible are reluctant of using these terms,
>>> and
>>> for understandable reasons, some having to do with their clientele.
>>> Teaching in Christian seminaries, or to largely Christian undergraduate
>>> populations, who wants to denigrate the cherished texts of Scripture by
>>> calling them forgeries built on lies? And so scholars use a different
>>> term
>>> for this phenomenon and call such books "pseudepigrapha."
>>>
>>> You will find this antiseptic term throughout the writings of modern
>>> scholars of the Bible. It's the term used in university classes on the
>>> New
>>> Testament, in seminary courses, and in Ph.D seminars. What the people
>>> who
>>> use the term do not tell you is that it literally means "writing that is
>>> inscribed with a lie."
>>>
>>> And that's what such writings are. Whoever wrote the New Testament book
>>> of
>>> 2 Peter claimed to be Peter. But scholars everywhere -- except for our
>>> friends among the fundamentalists -- will tell you that there is no way
>>> on
>>> God's green earth that Peter wrote the book. Someone else wrote it
>>> claiming to be Peter. Scholars may also tell you that it was an
>>> acceptable
>>> practice in the ancient world for someone to write a book in the name of
>>> someone else. But that is where they are wrong. If you look at what
>>> ancient people actually said about the practice, you'll see that they
>>> invariably called it lying and condemned it as a deceitful practice,
>>> even
>>> in Christian circles. 2 Peter was finally accepted into the New
>>> Testament
>>> because the church fathers, centuries later, were convinced that Peter
>>> wrote it. But he didn't. Someone else did. And that someone else lied
>>> about his identity.
>>>
>>> The same is true of many of the letters allegedly written by Paul. Most
>>> scholars will tell you that whereas seven of the 13 letters that go
>>> under
>>> Paul's name are his, the other six are not. Their authors merely claimed
>>> to be Paul. In the ancient world, books like that were labeled as
>>> condemnable lies.
>>>
>>> This may all seem like a bit of antiquarian curiosity, especially for
>>> people whose lives don't depend on the Bible or even people of faith for
>>> whom biblical matters are a peripheral interest at best. But in fact, it
>>> matters sometimes. Whoever wrote the book of 1 Timothy claimed to be
>>> Paul.
>>> But he was lying about that -- he was someone else living after Paul had
>>> died. In his book, the author of 1 Timothy used Paul's name and
>>> authority
>>> to address a problem that he saw in the church. Women were speaking out,
>>> exercising authority and teaching men. That had to stop. The author told
>>> women to be silent and submissive, and reminded his readers about what
>>> happened the first time a woman was allowed to exercise authority over a
>>> man, in that little incident in the garden of Eden. No, the author
>>> argued,
>>> if women wanted to be saved, they were to have babies (1 Tim. 2:11-15).
>>>
>>> Largely on the basis of this passage, the apostle Paul has been branded,
>>> by more liberation minded people of recent generations, as one of
>>> history's great misogynists. The problem, of course, is that Paul never
>>> said any such thing. And why does it matter? Because the passage is
>>> still
>>> used by church leaders today to oppress and silence women. Why are there
>>> no women priests in the Catholic Church? Why are women not allowed to
>>> preach in conservative evangelical churches? Why are there churches
>>> today
>>> that do not allow women even to speak? In no small measure it is because
>>> Paul allegedly taught that women had to be silent, submissive and
>>> pregnant. Except that the person who taught this was not Paul, but
>>> someone
>>> lying about his identity so that his readers would think he was Paul.
>>>
>>> It may be one of the greatest ironies of the Christian scriptures that
>>> some of them insist on truth, while telling a lie. For no author is
>>> truth
>>> more important than for the "Paul" of Ephesians. He refers to the gospel
>>> as "the word of truth" (1:13); he indicates that the "truth is in
>>> Jesus";
>>> he tells his readers to "speak the truth" to their neighbors (4:24-25);
>>> and he instructs his readers to "fasten the belt of truth around your
>>> waist" (6:14). And yet he himself lied about who he was. He was not
>>> really
>>> Paul.
>>>
>>> It appears that some of the New Testament writers, such as the authors
>>> of
>>> 2 Peter, 1 Timothy and Ephesians, felt they were perfectly justified to
>>> lie in order to tell the truth. But we today can at least evaluate their
>>> claims and realize just how human, and fallible, they were. They were
>>> creatures of their time and place. And so too were their teachings, lies
>>> and all.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The average Christian Apologist knows nothing about the various textual
>>> discrepancies which the Bible consists.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They never admit that the Bible consists of textual discrepancies and
>>> contradictions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Instead of admitting that, they resort to knavishly slander and assault
>>> Islam, because of its threatening entity to them, and, to cover up their
>>> theological shortage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Consequently, it?s odd for them to admit that the Bible consists of
>>> forgeries.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To define technically, what is forgery?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Linguistically, Forgery is the Criminal falsification by making or
>>> altering an instrument with intent to defraud.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Biblically, or in the biblical literature context; a forgery is the
>>> imposed scriptural chronicle that is inscribed with a lie.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There isn?t a biblical passage that narrates an account which could
>>> possibly be excepted, even, the parables of Jesus that are recounted
>>> throughout the gospels.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> According to renowned Biblical scholars, they all are utterly
>>> susceptible to substantial textual criticism, and they all are filled
>>> with
>>> doubtful factors.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I suspect that Apologists of CBN would be dare enough to confront this
>>> enormous crisis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I found them to be the most wickedest missionaries I ever met.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They just can?t speak the truth.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> CBN wicked Apologists are the one who brought it to themselves.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not going to stay silent whilst wicked Apologists of CBN are
>>> deliberately assaulting Islam, denigrating and slandering its entity on
>>> a
>>> virtually daily basis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If any of the recipients is affiliated with CBN mischievous Apologists,
>>> he
>>> should?ve notified them about my defiant disposition to persistently
>>> withstand Islam.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> CBN wicked Apologists are eminently convicted with radically
>>> prejudicial and hateful sentiments, and we are unlikely to tolerate
>>> their
>>> intent inequity, which is politically motivated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As I distinctly emphasized many times, it is a mental combat against
>>> Islam
>>> and Muslims.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This mental combat is going to be the mortal combat for those who waged
>>> it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They forced us to periodically engage on this mentally confrontational
>>> conflict, and we?re ready to face the challenge.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am still going to carry on exposing the terrible evilness of CBN
>>> affiliates.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will present my plausible evidence, which plainly substantiates their
>>> allege involvement to support and supply Israel militarily. So watch out
>>> for the post that is yet to come.
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 23:30:47 -0500
>> From: Doris and Chris <chipmunks at gmx.net>
>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] WHO wrote the Bible? And CBN promoting
>> Islamophobiafor dummies.
>> Message-ID: <0LiHc7-1VN7RE43md-00nPEk at mail.gmx.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>
>> Don't Forget that it was common practice at the time to
>> "ghost-write" in a more known or famous person . This is doubtlessly
>> why many Christian scholars will assume the same is true for the
>> quram. I personally neither claim nor deny direct authorship of
>> either Holy Scripture but personally believe that God reveals himself
>> to whoever and whenever in whatever way he chooses.
>>
>> God For anyone inersted, check out the Adventures in Odyssey episode
>> that does list "Allah" as one of the names for God as part of the
>> Judeo-Christian heritage as well.
>>
>> God Bless,
>>
>> Doris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 06:23 PM 11/21/2013 -0900, you wrote:
>>>Can't wait brother Mustafa. Hope you are doing well in your part of
>>>the world and at peace. PS. "For God so loved the world that He gave
>>>His only Son and whoever believes in Him will not die, but have
>>>everlasting life." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mostafa"
>>><mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;> Sent:
>>>Thursday, November 21, 2013 5:36 PM Subject: [Faith-talk] WHO wrote
>>>the Bible? And CBN promoting Islamophobiafor dummies. > Apart from
>>>the most rabid fundamentalists among us, nearly everyone admits >
>>>that the Bible contains errors. A faulty creation story here, a
>>>historical > mistake there, a contradiction or two in some other
>>>textual poses. > > > > But is it possible that the problem is worse
>>>than that -- that the Bible > actually contains lies? > > Most
>>>people wouldn't put it that way, since the Bible is, after all, >
>>>sacred Scripture for millions on our planet. But good Christian
>>>scholars > of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic
>>>scholars of the > United States illustrious seminaries will tell
>>>you that the Bible is > full of lies, even if they refuse to use the
>>>term. And here is the truth: > Many of the books of the New
>>>Testament were written by people who lied > about their identity,
>>>claiming to be a famous apostle -- Peter, Paul or > James -- knowing
>>>full well they were someone else. In modern parlance, > that is a
>>>lie, and a book written by someone who lies about his identity > is
>>>a forgery. > > Most modern scholars of the Bible are reluctant of
>>>using these terms, and > for understandable reasons, some having to
>>>do with their clientele. > Teaching in Christian seminaries, or to
>>>largely Christian undergraduate > populations, who wants to
>>>denigrate the cherished texts of Scripture by > calling them
>>>forgeries built on lies? And so scholars use a different term > for
>>>this phenomenon and call such books "pseudepigrapha." > > You will
>>>find this antiseptic term throughout the writings of modern >
>>>scholars of the Bible. It's the term used in university classes on
>>>the New > Testament, in seminary courses, and in Ph.D seminars. What
>>>the people who > use the term do not tell you is that it literally
>>>means "writing that is > inscribed with a lie." > > And that's what
>>>such writings are. Whoever wrote the New Testament book of > 2 Peter
>>>claimed to be Peter. But scholars everywhere -- except for our >
>>>friends among the fundamentalists -- will tell you that there is no
>>>way on > God's green earth that Peter wrote the book. Someone else
>>>wrote it > claiming to be Peter. Scholars may also tell you that it
>>>was an acceptable > practice in the ancient world for someone to
>>>write a book in the name of > someone else. But that is where they
>>>are wrong. If you look at what > ancient people actually said about
>>>the practice, you'll see that they > invariably called it lying and
>>>condemned it as a deceitful practice, even > in Christian circles. 2
>>>Peter was finally accepted into the New Testament > because the
>>>church fathers, centuries later, were convinced that Peter > wrote
>>>it. But he didn't. Someone else did. And that someone else lied >
>>>about his identity. > > The same is true of many of the letters
>>>allegedly written by Paul. Most > scholars will tell you that
>>>whereas seven of the 13 letters that go under > Paul's name are his,
>>>the other six are not. Their authors merely claimed > to be Paul. In
>>>the ancient world, books like that were labeled as > condemnable
>>>lies. > > This may all seem like a bit of antiquarian curiosity,
>>>especially for > people whose lives don't depend on the Bible or
>>>even people of faith for > whom biblical matters are a peripheral
>>>interest at best. But in fact, it > matters sometimes. Whoever wrote
>>>the book of 1 Timothy claimed to be Paul. > But he was lying about
>>>that -- he was someone else living after Paul had > died. In his
>>>book, the author of 1 Timothy used Paul's name and authority > to
>>>address a problem that he saw in the church. Women were speaking
>>>out, > exercising authority and teaching men. That had to stop. The
>>>author told > women to be silent and submissive, and reminded his
>>>readers about what > happened the first time a woman was allowed to
>>>exercise authority over a > man, in that little incident in the
>>>garden of Eden. No, the author argued, > if women wanted to be
>>>saved, they were to have babies (1 Tim. 2:11-15). > > Largely on the
>>>basis of this passage, the apostle Paul has been branded, > by more
>>>liberation minded people of recent generations, as one of >
>>>history's great misogynists. The problem, of course, is that Paul
>>>never > said any such thing. And why does it matter? Because the
>>>passage is still > used by church leaders today to oppress and
>>>silence women. Why are there > no women priests in the Catholic
>>>Church? Why are women not allowed to > preach in conservative
>>>evangelical churches? Why are there churches today > that do not
>>>allow women even to speak? In no small measure it is because > Paul
>>>allegedly taught that women had to be silent, submissive and >
>>>pregnant. Except that the person who taught this was not Paul, but
>>>someone > lying about his identity so that his readers would think
>>>he was Paul. > > It may be one of the greatest ironies of the
>>>Christian scriptures that > some of them insist on truth, while
>>>telling a lie. For no author is truth > more important than for the
>>>"Paul" of Ephesians. He refers to the gospel > as "the word of
>>>truth" (1:13); he indicates that the "truth is in Jesus"; > he tells
>>>his readers to "speak the truth" to their neighbors (4:24-25); > and
>>>he instructs his readers to "fasten the belt of truth around your >
>>>waist" (6:14). And yet he himself lied about who he was. He was not
>>>really > Paul. > > It appears that some of the New Testament
>>>writers, such as the authors of > 2 Peter, 1 Timothy and Ephesians,
>>>felt they were perfectly justified to > lie in order to tell the
>>>truth. But we today can at least evaluate their > claims and realize
>>>just how human, and fallible, they were. They were > creatures of
>>>their time and place. And so too were their teachings, lies > and
>>>all. > > > > The average Christian Apologist knows nothing about the
>>>various textual > discrepancies which the Bible
>>>consists. > > > > > > They never admit that the Bible consists of
>>>textual discrepancies and > contradictions. > > > > Instead of
>>>admitting that, they resort to knavishly slander and assault >
>>>Islam, because of its threatening entity to them, and, to cover up
>>>their > theological shortage. > > > > Consequently, it's odd for
>>>them to admit that the Bible consists of > forgeries. > > > > To
>>>define technically, what is forgery? > > > > Linguistically, Forgery
>>>is the Criminal falsification by making or > altering an instrument
>>>with intent to defraud. > > > > Biblically, or in the biblical
>>>literature context; a forgery is the > imposed scriptural chronicle
>>>that is inscribed with a lie. > > > > There isn't a biblical
>>>passage that narrates an account which could > possibly be excepted,
>>>even, the parables of Jesus that are recounted > throughout the
>>>gospels. > > > > According to renowned Biblical scholars, they all
>>>are utterly > susceptible to substantial textual criticism, and they
>>>all are filled with > doubtful factors. > > > > I suspect that
>>>Apologists of CBN would be dare enough to confront this > enormous
>>>crisis. > > > > > > I found them to be the most wickedest
>>>missionaries I ever met. > > > > They just can't speak the
>>>truth. > > > > CBN wicked Apologists are the one who brought it to
>>>themselves. > > > > I am not going to stay silent whilst wicked
>>>Apologists of CBN are > deliberately assaulting Islam, denigrating
>>>and slandering its entity on a > virtually daily basis. > > > > If
>>>any of the recipients is affiliated with CBN mischievous Apologists,
>>>he > should've notified them about my defiant disposition to
>>>persistently > withstand Islam. > > > > CBN wicked Apologists
>>>are eminently convicted with radically > prejudicial and hateful
>>>sentiments, and we are unlikely to tolerate their > intent inequity,
>>>which is politically motivated. > > > > As I distinctly emphasized
>>>many times, it is a mental combat against Islam > and
>>>Muslims. > > > > This mental combat is going to be the mortal combat
>>>for those who waged > it. > > > > They forced us to periodically
>>>engage on this mentally confrontational > conflict, and we're ready
>>>to face the challenge. > > > > I am still going to carry on exposing
>>>the terrible evilness of CBN > affiliates. > > > > I will present my
>>>plausible evidence, which plainly substantiates their > allege
>>>involvement to support and supply Israel militarily. So watch out >
>>>for the post that is yet to come. >
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