[Faith-talk] {Spam?} Re: How can I be a Christian?.

[Doris and Chris]

Whther or not people believe in the trinity, the trinity is not a 
biblical concept but its theology and concept was only introduced in 
the years following the canonization of scripture.

hth

Doris

At 12:55 PM 10/4/2013 -0400, you wrote:
>hello i happen to be a fan of pastor Hagee. Further more, while i 
>understand this list is for discussing faith, i didn't think it was 
>ment to bash one another's faith. big difference there. i have not 
>bashed your faith, no one on this list has either so, let's tone it 
>down a bit. i wrote you off list about some topics you'll find of 
>interest. such as how jesus is the father son and holy spirit all in 
>1. the trinity is something i personally don't believe in but 
>whatever it is you believe is just that, you're beliefs. let's 
>remember that and be respectful of one another. Timothy Your friend 
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>thanks and god bless On Oct 4, 2013, at 10:58 AM, Mostafa wrote: > 
>Upon them be peace, those who follow the pathway of truthfulness. > 
>On today's post, I will talk about some deplorable attempts to 
>gravely invoke acrimonious suspicions and uncertainty among muslims. 
>These evil attempts are basicly intending to destroy the muslim 
>faith. Some vicious evangelical fabricators are willfully attempting 
>to evoke religious discombobulation among muslims, and that's 
>basicly by posing misrepresentations, which they wickedly manipulate 
>in a fraudulent manner. Well emphatically, they can't on earth 
>frustrate our faith, or cause us to easily retreat. Well, they 
>essentially rely on implicit statements, to easily select the 
>meaning that suits their condemnable aim. Consequently, they charge 
>Islam with false allegations. Such as, Islam promotes terrorism. 
>Islam represses women, etc. They even claim that the Koran teaches 
>that Allah never created anything, they also claim that the Koran 
>was corrupted, grin. They can't pose their concerns undramatically, 
>and they never rely on factual information. They never use explicit 
>assertions, and they target your emotional aspects to basicly 
>deceive you. That how it works for them. Well personally, I was 
>never engaged in a critical debate with those deceptive 
>missionaries, without conveniently recognizing their deeply hidden 
>political agenda, which forcefully imposes its eminent authority on 
>the theological arena. He never presents a text in its actual 
>context. He constantly misrepresents the subject, either by 
>deliberately  misquoting the text, corrupting the meaning, or 
>committing the both crimes simultaneously. I always ask him to 
>justly set the text forth at its original context, but he never 
>does. I walk him gradually to the correction of his wickedly 
>intended disinformation. And, that's when he begins to perceive that 
>his awful deception has perfectly been detected. They all must 
>fathom, that we're not foolish, they repeatedly assault our religion 
>with inflammatory remarks, and we're unlikely to tolerate that. Well 
>however, Bridges Foundation was made to refute any misconceptions on 
>either individual, or global basis. They are located in Egypt, 
>Europe, and North America. > > Their website is: > > 
>http://www.bridges-foundation.org > > Feel free to contact them for 
>theological consultancy, or any question you may possibly have. You 
>can even schedule an appointment with Doctor Fadel Solomon. He may 
>come for a presentation at your domestic Church, Masjid , Islamic 
>center, college, or faculty. We're glad to be at your sservice. Our 
>theological panel is based on informative principles. Feel free to 
>take a tour around the website, and you may have a look at the 
>various programs and curriculums they offer. > > Now, I would like 
>to talk a little bit about Christian Zionism. > > So, what is 
>Christian Zionism? > > Christian Zionism is a political movement, 
>which originally descends from a gravely radical element of 
>Protestantism. It involves  some radical coptics as well. But they 
>mostly live abroad, and they are theologically moulded  by the 
>christian zionist notorious influence.  They predominantly believe 
>in the literal interpretation of the Bible. And, they derive a 
>bitter  notion, based on that particular belief. Among the main 
>founders and key directors of this extremist movement, are Pastor 
>John Hagee, the radical evangelical Televangelist Pat Robertson, the 
>fabricating author, Robert Spencer with his awful companion, the 
>liar Pamela Geller, and finally, the heavily prevaricator and 
>eternally expelled ex Coptic Father, zakaria botros. Due to his 
>stubborn profanity and inflammatory remarks, he was permanently 
>banned from the Coptic Church. I personally verified with local 
>coptic officials that he was eternally banished from the Church for 
>his shameful misbehaviors and verbal assaults. Formerly, he used to 
>be an actor at the Church. He currently lives in the United states, 
>and he is in a regular communication with the radical missionaries I 
>just listed above. He is quite popular for his anti-islam views, his 
>affirmative discourtesy, his dishonourable statements,     his 
>intentional misquotes, misinterpretations, and acrimonious 
>corruptions of Islamic text. Well for instance, he wickedly insulted 
>muslim women who wear Hijab. He sarcastically described them them as 
>the darken tents.   He deliberately devises the meaning which helps 
>him to forge, to develop and promote an assaulting propaganda about 
>Islamic teachings.   Well however, his malefactor   equivocations 
>were informatively countered, and substantially refuted by Doctor 
>Fadel Solomon, and many other prominent muslim scholars.  Well 
>ordinarily, such hateful pastors and missionaries are quite known 
>for their enormously provocative disposition about Islam. They 
>strongly adhere a Zionist agenda, and it's their top priority to 
>advocate for guarding Israel national security. They constantly call 
>for that in the Congress, and in another major domestic political 
>assemblies in the United states. Furthermore, they strenuously exert 
>their efforts, to essentially invoke theological suspicions among 
>the muslim masses. I was previously asked by couple of christians to 
>watch Zakaria botros episodes about Islam. One of them is an Arab, 
>and another one is American. They both are among the recipients list 
>disclosed before you. I would like to thank them pretty much for 
>their sincere advice. They just helped me exposing to the publicity 
>who Zakaria botros is. They never searched who is Zakaria Botros , 
>nor they never bothered themselves to just verify whether he was 
>academically certified, to talk about Islam the way he did. They 
>just liked the fact, that he appeared on the television, assaulting 
>Islam, and posing incorrect alegations about Islamic 
>sources. > > > > > > Little that they know about the so called 
>Zakaria botros religious bigotry, his malicious intent, and his 
>ultimate perfidy to his egyptian identity. He calls Egypt a 
>terrorist state, wavering that notion to those radical evangelists 
>who he might be in touch with at the Congress, while attempting to 
>encourage them to potentially label Egypt as a threatening entity, 
>and to even occupy Egypt militarily if that was necessary. He even 
>insulted the coptic Pope in Egypt. Moreover, it's overwhelmingly 
>evidenced against him, that he stands behind the nigrified curtains 
>of innocence of muslims, the detrimental film which sparked outrage 
>and violence around the world. Although, he doesn't directly appear 
>at the front, but it is allegedly leavened that he is actually 
>behind the seen, and that all the reprehensible concepts were 
>actually inspired by his hateful views.       Is that your best 
>role-model sir? Wow. Couldn't you just find any better? I'm 
>personally convinced that Zakaria botros and his assimilators are 
>tremendously inspired by a hidden plot, a deeply concealed Zionist 
>agenda. The coptic church is extremely commendable for formally 
>disposing this maligned hater. I would like his supporters to 
>present their significant evidents, that proves his exoneration if 
>they have any. Furthermore, I would kindly ask my respectful 
>recipients, to just hit over to the following URL: > > 
>http://www.cufi.org > > This is the official website of this lobby, 
>which many christian organizations in the United states today, are 
>utterly affiliated with. It's largely sponsored by Christian 
>organizations and individuals around the country. You may tour their 
>website, and then, you may possibly ask yourself; > > What on earth 
>a religious association has to do with political interests? > > Why 
>they would be affiliated with a political lobby, that explicitly 
>fundraises, to supply Israel militarily? > > I can present 
>conspicuous evidents that substantially proves my proclaimation. > > 
>Christians United for Israel is the largest Christian lobby in the 
>United states, which essentially advocates for Christian sustainable 
>alignment with the state of Israel. In their last annual summit of 
>2012, Netanyahu was the keynote speaker for this particular 
>event. > > Here you go: > > > > > > 
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqgDKbGUdT0 > > > > > > The major 
>essence of this Christian dispensationalism, is of its political 
>apostasy. They label Islam as their common enemy in spades. > > As a 
>muslim, I believe that there are many corruptions in the Bible, but 
>I also believe, that there are some hints, which indicates, that the 
>Bible, was initially revealed by God. > So for instance, in Mark 
>29/31, Jesus was asked about the first commandment, what did he say, 
>according to the Bible, here we go. "29 And Jesus answered him, The 
>first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God 
>is one Lord: > 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy 
>heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all 
>thy strength: this is the first commandment. > > 31 And the second 
>is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 
>There is none other commandment greater than these". > > Wasn't 
>Jesus able to say; the first commandment is to believe in my 
>Redemption? > > I quite comprehend that some of you, 
>have  considered me to be their enemy, and so do I. > > I quite 
>recognize, that you are playing this critically political game, 
>which essentially relys on this fraudulently perpetrated  propaganda 
>of spreading malign and detest to Islam. > > Well, be my guesst. > > 
>Be quite assured, my fine Christian Zionist enemy, the more you will 
>rant and assault Islam, the broadly it is going to be embraced in 
>the United states. > >   You are falsely portraying about healing 
>Muslims by praying to Jesus. > > Don't forget, that I already live 
>with Christians here in Egypt. > > These deceptions were already 
>detected for ages. > > For the sake of preserving the well renowned 
>recognition of the Coptic Church, I will skip unveiling many 
>shameful scandals. > > But trust me, I am aware of dozens of 
>them. > > Every faithful denomination will strive in the cause of 
>proving its validity. > > But the point is, there are independently 
>arranged reassessments to verify attesting what someone claims to be 
>the truth. > > Christians constantly talk about healing Muslims by 
>praying to Jesus. But, have they proved that to be truth and 
>theologically unbiased? >       Well, it is politically prejudicial 
>and stereotyped. > >  Those who chose to utterly abandon 
>Christianity were all either theologically highly educated, priests, 
>pastors, or former preachers. > > Well, I knew, that all of you, 
>will probably abide by the vague proposition, that the current form 
>of the Bible, is emphatically the inspiringly divined word. >  But 
>unfortunately, you can't authenticate that proposition 
>informatively. > > The Mormons, for instance, they have their own 
>version of the Bible. > > They utterly decline what other Christian 
>denominations have affirmed as the inerrant divined word. > > 
>Protestantism, however, is the theological system of any of the 
>churches of western Christendom that separated from the Roman 
>Catholic Church, and they also have their own affirmation of the 
>Bible. > > The copts of Egypt, have also their own formulation of 
>the Bible. > > So, what shall I believe, if I wanted to be a 
>Christian? > Christians have exhibited the political motivation, 
>which instigates the rubric of opposing Islam. > > Westerned 
>Christians, and in particular, the inhabitants of the United states, 
>are politically motivated to impose their hidden plot of splitting 
>the Muslim world apart, to chiefly assist Israel expanding its 
>colonial occupation, to expand its settlement construction, to 
>repress Palestinian innocent civilians,  to encourage for civil war 
>as in Syria, to blister  domestic conflicts and 
>sectarianism. > >      Well, please, pray to your Lord, and I shall 
>pray to mine. > > There at the end, someone will be the follower of 
>the truth, and his opponent, will allegedly be guilty of 
>putrescence. > > I am hopeful in the grace of God. > > I never 
>arrogantly guaranteed for myself, that I will be prosper. > > > I 
>will be neutral in the following statement.  > Upon them be peace, 
>those who will resident in the state of prosperity, in the here 
>after. > > > _______________________________________________ > 
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