[Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.

[Poppa Bear]

I'm sorry to have to interject on your point of view Debbie, but there were 
clicks right at the beginning, from the very conception of the Church, Some 
whir claiming they were of Barnabis, some Paul, and some Jesus, Some were 
still trying to promote the keeping of the law, IE salvation by works while 
others were saying that you could get saved, and forgiven for your sins and 
go on sinning because of the Grace of the cross. Much of our reasons to not 
go to Church are much deeper than what it looks like on the surface. 
Remember that the Savior went to the temple and worshiped as a Jew with the 
very hypocrites who crucified Him, he knew what was in the hearts of men and 
still fellow shipped with them, broke bread with them. He came to save 
hypocrites, clicks, sinners, gossips; it is the sick that need a doctor, not 
the healthy. If there was a perfect Church, as soon as one of us became a 
member, it wouldn't be perfect anymore. The same judgment that we are 
speaking of we practice when we condemn the Church, fellow believers and end 
up agreeing with the world's view of the Church rather than standing with 
the Church.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Debby Phillips" <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.


> Okay Andrew, this is the other reason I'm not thrilled with churches.  We 
> all sit around and judge each other and where does that get us? You know 
> why non-Christians think we are phony? I'll tell you, and this is after 
> talking to a lot of them lately.  They don't like us because we seem to be 
> arrogant.  They don't like us because we seem to have so many 
> disagreements about "what is right" to believe.  They don't like us 
> because we act like we are holier than they are, but are hypocritical. 
> Plain and simple, they don't like us because they don't see the love of 
> Jesus in us.  What drew you to Christ in the first place? Was it "the 
> perfect right doctrine" or was it because someone told you about how much 
> Christ loved you that He was willing to die a terrible death for your 
> sins.  In the early Church, people were drawn because they saw that Jesus 
> made a difference in people's lives.  People were healed, the church fed 
> the hungry and poor, and the non-believers said, "See how they love one 
> another".  But it wasn't love that was cliquish.  The people were loving 
> of everybody who came.  Now in many churches you have groups of people who 
> are just little cliques and they don't want to include anybody else, 
> anybody new.  Sorry, I don't want to offend anyone, but I'm being as 
> honest as I know how to be.  If Jesus isn't making a difference in our 
> lives, what do we have to share with anybody? And now, I speak to myself 
> as well as you all.  How is it that we go along day by day and people 
> aren't drawn to the Lord by us? Because most of us don't really love Him, 
> (Jesus) and we don't love each other either.  We need to be so in love 
> with Jesus that His love overflows from us to other people.  We need to be 
> so steeped in His Word and in walking with Him that people will know that 
> we are different.  I'm certainly not where I want to be in all of this.  I 
> don't know that I will ever reach that point.  But I know a genuine 
> Christian when I see one, and I wouldn't want to embarrass him in any way, 
> but our own Tom Anderson is such.  He loves the Lord and it shows in the 
> way he treats people.  Yet he isn't so removed from folks that lots of 
> people can relate to him and love him.  I have seen people drawn to the 
> Lord because of him, heard students ask questions about Jesus because of 
> Tom's genuineness.  But he doesn't sit in judgement of people.  We will 
> never win people to Christ by telling them how bad they are and condemning 
> them.  We will only win people to Christ if we can show them that we too 
> are sinners saved by grace.  Well, I didn't mean this to be so long. 
> Sorry about that.    Blessings,    Debby
>
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