[Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.

Wed Sep 4 17:17:19 UTC 2013

well that is true though Ashley I don't see much of the bible being
preached your experience has not been mine and  I feel like I have
not seen much happen in churches generally speaking.  but what I said
and timothy says is totally correct  the bible is not explained
properly and if the bible was preached properly I would get allot more
out of it and  I would get a better understanding of it.  but  I tend
to fall asleep through a pastors preaching a pastors preaching should
keep me awake and  what I look for is  this  fire and brimstone
preaching is likely to keep me awake but pastors who  are quiet tend
to put me asleep. and I get nothing out of allot of sermons usually.

On 9/4/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Andrew,
> But your contention that churches 1. do not reach out for souls and 2. do
> not preach the Christ centered gospel and 3. fail to spread the gospel to
> non believers is wrong.
>
> Have you  been to a church recently? You can certainly worship online if you
>
> want through the computer, but I do not believe transportation should be the
>
> only excuse or barrier.
> Frankly, your assertations backed up by no substance rubs me the wrong way.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 9:15 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.
>
> and just because a church is growing and things does not mean it is a
> good church.  because there are allot of pastors that preach  a luke
> warm message just to attract numbers and  give them a warm comfortable
> pew things like that.  so the thing is having these big churches are
> not always good.  after all it shouldn't be about the numbers it
> should be  teaching the bible and the hard truth of what the word says
> not man says.  and most churches are about money.  some churches have
> become so rich it seems that it is not even funny. I am not saying
> lots of money or being rich is bad but  how are we using it to get
> welth and prosperity the thing is this  god's idea of prosperity is
> being in him and his kingdom.   besides we can't take our pozessions
> to heaven we can't take our money to heaven just souls that come to
> Christ.  I feel like allot of churches are just storeing up treasure
> on earth in things.   I feel that today's church is just so luke warm
> as I said earlier until people get serious   there is no sence in
> calling ourselves Christian.
>
> On 9/3/13, Timothy Clark Music <timothyclarkmusic at me.com> wrote:
>> Ashley, they might be teaching from the bible but are they teaching it
>> correctly.
>>  for example, do they teach that the god head is 3 rapped up into the son
>>
>> of
>> god jesus christ?
>>  this is why when prayers are said we say father or jesus.
>>  they are all 3 rapped into 1 god head.
>>  and, when they baptize, do they baptize in the name of jesus or father
>> son
>> and holy ghost.
>>  there's a lot that goes on that people accept that just is not correct.
>>  i'm not saying your church is wrong just that there are a lot that are.
>>
>> Timothy
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>>  thanks and god bless
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2013, at 8:45 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew,
>>> Nothing could be further from the truth! Many large churches, mainly the
>>> evangelical churches, do reach out.
>>> They are growing and growing.  They are very Christ centered. For
>>> instance
>>> the evangelical church me and my dad tried has 6 campuses or more! They
>>> not only have small groups, but larger groups to study the word. I don't
>>> know where you get such ideas that saintain is infultrating the church.
>>> You said
>>> "if we soon don't get serious about god  he will for sure take his hand
>>> off the church. this is the last days.  "
>>>
>>> Well, I can tell you that I was raised Methodist and those Christian
>>> friends who were raised in the church
>>> knew about God and ethical values and what Christianity meant.
>>> Churches do reach out. Examples are websites where sermons are posted
>>> online, newcomer classes, discipleship classes, small groups, and
>>> numerous
>>> fellowship activities.
>>>
>>> I'd have to say you are truly missing a lot by sitting around at home in
>>> front of  a computer. You miss the fellowship. You miss sharing your
>>> views
>>> with others in person. You miss the fact that people come up and know
>>> you
>>> by name and ask how things are going.
>>>
>>> I'm not saying you have to go to the brick and
>>> mourter church to be a good Christian. But I feel you will have a deeper
>>> experience going to one.
>>> You raised the issue about transportation. Maybe if you voice your needs
>>> to someone in a nearby church they will help you.
>>> I feel you gave up on church before trying to make a bigger effort to
>>> get
>>> there.
>>>
>>> I know how it is not feeling fully included.  experienced this a lot in
>>> youth group and even sunday school before they got the readings in
>>> braille.
>>>
>>> But still we should reach out and try.
>>>
>>> I think educating any community including the church is a long road and
>>> the road is easier
>>> if more of us participate.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Andrew
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:18 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.
>>>
>>> but I feel we shouldn't tell people that they have to go to a brick
>>> and morte church  at all. that is not our job I feel.  online churches
>>> are as affective as the  off line churches. like the community I am
>>> part of has people in it that have been hurt by the brick and morter
>>> church.  so she is not going back she would rather take part in online
>>> churches.  there is nothing wrong with online churches. I feel we as
>>> Christians should not be telling people they have to go to a brick and
>>> morter church. Satan and I hate to say this but satan has the brick
>>> and morter church is in his grasp because people are not fighting
>>> back and getting the victory we need is souls coming to Christ.  and
>>> if we soon don't get serious about god  he will for sure take his hand
>>> off the church. this is the last days.  as timothy said. we are to
>>> dependent on a church building churches are not reaching out for souls
>>> and  satan has as I said the church as a whole in his grasp people are
>>> to blind to see it. Christians truly are not standing up for god.
>>>
>>> On 9/3/13, Linda Mentink <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>> Jenny, I totally agree. I know that the internet wasn't around when
>>>> the Bible was inspired, but I don't believe that Hebrews 10:24-25
>>>> means that it's OK to stay home and worship with others via the
>>>> computer. It's unfortunate that that's the only way for some of the
>>>> blind community to go to church. It lets church members off the hook,
>>>> or so they think.
>>>>
>>>> Blessings,
>>>>
>>>> Linda
>>>>
>>>> At 12:11 PM 9/2/2013, you wrote:
>>>>> I have been close to totally blind since birth, and I don't like the
>>>>> movement that has been mafe to screens instead of using a book for
>>>>> music, especially since I'm a singer.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, i don't think that there is any replacement for fellowship
>>>>> and actually being among fellow christians in person and feeling the
>>>>> Holy Spirit.
>>>>>
>>>>> some churches will be happy to email you the words to the music if
>>>>> they can figure out how to get it from power point to a document
>>>>> format.  You just have to ask and be persistent.  also, just sit
>>>>> down with your pastor if needbe and explain that you don't feel a
>>>>> part of the worship service without the words to the songs, or
>>>>> whatever you are lacking.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we just hide away in our houses and do church there.  We're
>>>>> giving up and the churches won't ever know how much this affects us
>>>>> and how to help us.  Which is what churches are supposed to be about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe try different churches to see where you fit in.
>>>>> don't be limitted to the status quo.  branch out to other things in
>>>>> the christian arena
>>>>>
>>>>> You never know if you may find just where you belong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jenny and Shasta
>>>>> On Sep 2, 2013, at 11:35 AM, "Maureen Pranghofer"
>>>>> <maureensmusic at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Hi
>>>>> > I do not believe that if God wanted us to see He would create us
>>>>> as sighted. Otherwise Jesus would havedone no healing because
>>>>> everyone would have been whole at birth.
>>>>> > Maureen
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett
>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 5:12 PM
>>>>> > To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>> > If this isn't a joke, can you please spell correctly?
>>>>> > On the subject of seeing, if God wanted to have you see, he would
>>>>> create you
>>>>> > as sighted.
>>>>> > But he created us the way we are for a reason including the
>>>>> > characteristic
>>>>> > that we cannot see.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -----Original Message----- From: mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo
>>>>> > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:00 PM
>>>>> > To: Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>> > Subject: [Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > if you can see it beeleeve it then you can a cheeve it. dont forget
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > pray. dont beeafreade to pray. prayer changes things!Chikodinaka
>>>>> > Happiness&Obianuju. One Love Keep Us Together. our motto song
>>>>> > &slogan!
>>>>> > mom told mee this at childbirth. if you try you will SekSeed. try
>>>>> > try
>>>>> > try agan. for if you pursivear. you will conker neverfear. try try
>>>>> > try
>>>>> > agan|. in the words of w h u r's f m. Jacky Gails Webb! may the
>>>>> > grace
>>>>> > of god save you. may the will of god guide you&may the love of god
>>>>> > shine thru you
>>>>> > i wont to see like my wife my adonnaWife. I have ben blind sence
>>>>> > childbirth, can i start seeing? agan or i will bee blind4ever?
>>>>> >
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