[Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.

Poppa Bear heavens4real at gmail.com
Wed Sep 4 18:14:16 UTC 2013 

You know I find that sometimes we are looking for stuff at church to fulfill 
things that are outside of the Bible. Sometimes we want to find meaning 
through a position at Church to help reinforce our self worth, we want 
companionship to address our loneliness, and we want a message that is to 
our liking like a particular dish at a restaurant. It is different from just 
coming with an open heart saying, God I just want to be in your house, be 
near your children, come together to pray and praise your name, open my 
heart God, look into my life and examine it, see if there be any wicket way 
in me like King David cried. None of these things depend on other people; it 
is not a selfish act, or a salad bar experience. I have been to back wood 
churches where the preacher would be laughed at by some big preachers, I've 
been to Asian services where I could hardly understand the broken English, I 
have followed a pastor who was so nervous and lost his train of thought over 
and over, I have been to the name it and claim it house, I can't remember 
what I missed out on when I look back, who didn't greet me, if I wasn't 
asked to speak or if the Pastor just passed me by, I was there to give 
myself to God, not to see what that place could do for me, they were just as 
bad off as me, but trying to live by faith in their own flawed way. 
Sometimes we sound like the children of Israel in the desert who grumbled to 
Moses at every turn about how difficult and uncomfortable the road was, and 
all the time God was with them, he had just delivered them from bondage just 
like he has us, just as he talked with Moses, he now talks to us through his 
word, we are really and truly blessed my friends.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew" <andrewjedg at gmail.com>
To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.


> well that is true though Ashley I don't see much of the bible being
> preached your experience has not been mine and  I feel like I have
> not seen much happen in churches generally speaking.  but what I said
> and timothy says is totally correct  the bible is not explained
> properly and if the bible was preached properly I would get allot more
> out of it and  I would get a better understanding of it.  but  I tend
> to fall asleep through a pastors preaching a pastors preaching should
> keep me awake and  what I look for is  this  fire and brimstone
> preaching is likely to keep me awake but pastors who  are quiet tend
> to put me asleep. and I get nothing out of allot of sermons usually.
>
> On 9/4/13, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Andrew,
>> But your contention that churches 1. do not reach out for souls and 2. do
>> not preach the Christ centered gospel and 3. fail to spread the gospel to
>> non believers is wrong.
>>
>> Have you  been to a church recently? You can certainly worship online if 
>> you
>>
>> want through the computer, but I do not believe transportation should be 
>> the
>>
>> only excuse or barrier.
>> Frankly, your assertations backed up by no substance rubs me the wrong 
>> way.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrew
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 9:15 PM
>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.
>>
>> and just because a church is growing and things does not mean it is a
>> good church.  because there are allot of pastors that preach  a luke
>> warm message just to attract numbers and  give them a warm comfortable
>> pew things like that.  so the thing is having these big churches are
>> not always good.  after all it shouldn't be about the numbers it
>> should be  teaching the bible and the hard truth of what the word says
>> not man says.  and most churches are about money.  some churches have
>> become so rich it seems that it is not even funny. I am not saying
>> lots of money or being rich is bad but  how are we using it to get
>> welth and prosperity the thing is this  god's idea of prosperity is
>> being in him and his kingdom.   besides we can't take our pozessions
>> to heaven we can't take our money to heaven just souls that come to
>> Christ.  I feel like allot of churches are just storeing up treasure
>> on earth in things.   I feel that today's church is just so luke warm
>> as I said earlier until people get serious   there is no sence in
>> calling ourselves Christian.
>>
>> On 9/3/13, Timothy Clark Music <timothyclarkmusic at me.com> wrote:
>>> Ashley, they might be teaching from the bible but are they teaching it
>>> correctly.
>>>  for example, do they teach that the god head is 3 rapped up into the 
>>> son
>>>
>>> of
>>> god jesus christ?
>>>  this is why when prayers are said we say father or jesus.
>>>  they are all 3 rapped into 1 god head.
>>>  and, when they baptize, do they baptize in the name of jesus or father
>>> son
>>> and holy ghost.
>>>  there's a lot that goes on that people accept that just is not correct.
>>>  i'm not saying your church is wrong just that there are a lot that are.
>>>
>>> Timothy
>>>  Your friend in the music industry
>>>  follow me on twitter @timothyclark13
>>>  to check out music, photos, videos, press, show dates, and more go to
>>> http://www.reverbnation.com/timothyclark13
>>>  feel free to give me a call at
>>>  7244011224
>>>  note, if i don't answer your call just leave me a voicemail and i'll 
>>> get
>>> back in contact with you as soon as possible
>>>  thanks and god bless
>>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2013, at 8:45 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andrew,
>>>> Nothing could be further from the truth! Many large churches, mainly 
>>>> the
>>>> evangelical churches, do reach out.
>>>> They are growing and growing.  They are very Christ centered. For
>>>> instance
>>>> the evangelical church me and my dad tried has 6 campuses or more! They
>>>> not only have small groups, but larger groups to study the word. I 
>>>> don't
>>>> know where you get such ideas that saintain is infultrating the church.
>>>> You said
>>>> "if we soon don't get serious about god  he will for sure take his hand
>>>> off the church. this is the last days.  "
>>>>
>>>> Well, I can tell you that I was raised Methodist and those Christian
>>>> friends who were raised in the church
>>>> knew about God and ethical values and what Christianity meant.
>>>> Churches do reach out. Examples are websites where sermons are posted
>>>> online, newcomer classes, discipleship classes, small groups, and
>>>> numerous
>>>> fellowship activities.
>>>>
>>>> I'd have to say you are truly missing a lot by sitting around at home 
>>>> in
>>>> front of  a computer. You miss the fellowship. You miss sharing your
>>>> views
>>>> with others in person. You miss the fact that people come up and know
>>>> you
>>>> by name and ask how things are going.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not saying you have to go to the brick and
>>>> mourter church to be a good Christian. But I feel you will have a 
>>>> deeper
>>>> experience going to one.
>>>> You raised the issue about transportation. Maybe if you voice your 
>>>> needs
>>>> to someone in a nearby church they will help you.
>>>> I feel you gave up on church before trying to make a bigger effort to
>>>> get
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> I know how it is not feeling fully included.  experienced this a lot in
>>>> youth group and even sunday school before they got the readings in
>>>> braille.
>>>>
>>>> But still we should reach out and try.
>>>>
>>>> I think educating any community including the church is a long road and
>>>> the road is easier
>>>> if more of us participate.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Andrew
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 7:18 PM
>>>> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.
>>>>
>>>> but I feel we shouldn't tell people that they have to go to a brick
>>>> and morte church  at all. that is not our job I feel.  online churches
>>>> are as affective as the  off line churches. like the community I am
>>>> part of has people in it that have been hurt by the brick and morter
>>>> church.  so she is not going back she would rather take part in online
>>>> churches.  there is nothing wrong with online churches. I feel we as
>>>> Christians should not be telling people they have to go to a brick and
>>>> morter church. Satan and I hate to say this but satan has the brick
>>>> and morter church is in his grasp because people are not fighting
>>>> back and getting the victory we need is souls coming to Christ.  and
>>>> if we soon don't get serious about god  he will for sure take his hand
>>>> off the church. this is the last days.  as timothy said. we are to
>>>> dependent on a church building churches are not reaching out for souls
>>>> and  satan has as I said the church as a whole in his grasp people are
>>>> to blind to see it. Christians truly are not standing up for god.
>>>>
>>>> On 9/3/13, Linda Mentink <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>>> Jenny, I totally agree. I know that the internet wasn't around when
>>>>> the Bible was inspired, but I don't believe that Hebrews 10:24-25
>>>>> means that it's OK to stay home and worship with others via the
>>>>> computer. It's unfortunate that that's the only way for some of the
>>>>> blind community to go to church. It lets church members off the hook,
>>>>> or so they think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Blessings,
>>>>>
>>>>> Linda
>>>>>
>>>>> At 12:11 PM 9/2/2013, you wrote:
>>>>>> I have been close to totally blind since birth, and I don't like the
>>>>>> movement that has been mafe to screens instead of using a book for
>>>>>> music, especially since I'm a singer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, i don't think that there is any replacement for fellowship
>>>>>> and actually being among fellow christians in person and feeling the
>>>>>> Holy Spirit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> some churches will be happy to email you the words to the music if
>>>>>> they can figure out how to get it from power point to a document
>>>>>> format.  You just have to ask and be persistent.  also, just sit
>>>>>> down with your pastor if needbe and explain that you don't feel a
>>>>>> part of the worship service without the words to the songs, or
>>>>>> whatever you are lacking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we just hide away in our houses and do church there.  We're
>>>>>> giving up and the churches won't ever know how much this affects us
>>>>>> and how to help us.  Which is what churches are supposed to be about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe try different churches to see where you fit in.
>>>>>> don't be limitted to the status quo.  branch out to other things in
>>>>>> the christian arena
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You never know if you may find just where you belong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jenny and Shasta
>>>>>> On Sep 2, 2013, at 11:35 AM, "Maureen Pranghofer"
>>>>>> <maureensmusic at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > Hi
>>>>>> > I do not believe that if God wanted us to see He would create us
>>>>>> as sighted. Otherwise Jesus would havedone no healing because
>>>>>> everyone would have been whole at birth.
>>>>>> > Maureen
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett
>>>>>> > Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 5:12 PM
>>>>>> > To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>> > If this isn't a joke, can you please spell correctly?
>>>>>> > On the subject of seeing, if God wanted to have you see, he would
>>>>>> create you
>>>>>> > as sighted.
>>>>>> > But he created us the way we are for a reason including the
>>>>>> > characteristic
>>>>>> > that we cannot see.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > -----Original Message----- From: mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo
>>>>>> > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 4:00 PM
>>>>>> > To: Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> > Subject: [Faith-talk] blind sence child birth.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --
>>>>>> > if you can see it beeleeve it then you can a cheeve it. dont forget
>>>>>> > to
>>>>>> > pray. dont beeafreade to pray. prayer changes things!Chikodinaka
>>>>>> > Happiness&Obianuju. One Love Keep Us Together. our motto song
>>>>>> > &slogan!
>>>>>> > mom told mee this at childbirth. if you try you will SekSeed. try
>>>>>> > try
>>>>>> > try agan. for if you pursivear. you will conker neverfear. try try
>>>>>> > try
>>>>>> > agan|. in the words of w h u r's f m. Jacky Gails Webb! may the
>>>>>> > grace
>>>>>> > of god save you. may the will of god guide you&may the love of god
>>>>>> > shine thru you
>>>>>> > i wont to see like my wife my adonnaWife. I have ben blind sence
>>>>>> > childbirth, can i start seeing? agan or i will bee blind4ever?
>>>>>> >
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