[Faith-talk] An article I found

Tue Aug 12 17:01:34 UTC 2014

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DorisAt 12:49 PM 8/12/2014, you wrote:
>Dear List, First, Let me say that I do not have 
>a problem with muslams. However, Mostpha has 
>been posting things on this list, where he 
>claims that the Christian bible has 
>contridictions in it. I've found an interest 
>article when a Christian appolologist has asked 
>some questions concerning the Quran. You can find this article at:
>www.carm.org
>Then go to the link titled Islam. However, I'm 
>pasting the article below, and I ask you read it with an open mind.
>Contradictions in the Qur'an
>by Matt Slick
>The Qur'an states that it is a perfect book 
>preserved on tablets in heaven (Surah 
>85:21-22).  If the Qur'an is a perfect book from 
>Allah, then there shouldn't be any 
>contradictions in it.  Of course, the Muslims 
>will deny any contradictions exist in the 
>Qur'an, but they do.  Some of the contradictions 
>below could be debated, but some of them are clearly contradictions.
>A contradiction occurs when one statement on a 
>subject excludes the possibility of 
>another.  The first one here is a good 
>example.  In Surah 19:67, it states that man was 
>created out of nothing.  In 15:26, man is 
>created from clay.  Since clay is something, we 
>have a contradiction since "nothing" excludes 
>the possibility of "clay."  Both cannot be true.
>All quotes from the Qur'an, unless otherwise 
>specified, are from Yusuf Ali and can be found at the Qur'an online.
>1. What was man created from:  blood, clay, dust, or nothing?
>1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
>2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
>3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as 
>that of Adam; He created him from dust, then 
>said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
>4. "But does not man call to mind that We 
>created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
>5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and 
>behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).
>2. Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?
>1. "Let there be no compulsion in religion: 
>Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever 
>rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped 
>the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never 
>breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).
>2. "And an announcement from Allah and His 
>Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day 
>of the Great Pilgrimage,--that Allah and His 
>Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the 
>Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for 
>you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot 
>frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty 
>to those who reject Faith," (9:3).
>3. "But when the forbidden months are past, then 
>fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, 
>and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait 
>for them in every stratagem (of war); but if 
>they repent, and establish regular prayers and 
>practice regular charity, then open the way for 
>them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).
>4. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the 
>Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath 
>been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor 
>acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they 
>are) of the People of the Book, until they pay 
>the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29).
>3. The first Muslim was Muhammad?  Abraham?  Jacob?  Moses?
>1. "And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the 
>first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).
>2. "When Moses came to the place appointed by 
>Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my 
>Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon 
>thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see 
>Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it 
>abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." 
>When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, 
>He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a 
>swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: 
>"Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, 
>and I am the first to believe." (7:143).
>3. "And this was the legacy that Abraham left to 
>his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah 
>hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not 
>except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).
>4. Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?
>1. Allah forgiveth not that partners should be 
>set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, 
>to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with 
>Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48).  Also 4:116
>2. The people of the Book ask thee to cause a 
>book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they 
>asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for 
>they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they 
>were dazed for their presumption, with thunder 
>and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even 
>after clear signs had come to them; even so we 
>forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).
>5. Are Allah's decrees changed or not?
>1. "Rejected were the messengers before thee: 
>with patience and constancy they bore their 
>rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did 
>reach them: there is none that can alter the 
>words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou 
>received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
>2. "The word of thy Lord doth find its 
>fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can 
>change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
>3. None of Our revelations do We abrogate or 
>cause to be forgotten, but We substitute 
>something better or similar: Knowest thou not 
>that Allah Hath power over all things?" (2:106).
>4. When We substitute one revelation for 
>another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals 
>(in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": 
>but most of them understand not," (16:101).
>6. Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?
>1. "We took the Children of Israel across the 
>sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in 
>insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed 
>with the flood, he said: "I believe that there 
>is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel 
>believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah 
>in Islam). (It was said to him): "Ah now!- But a 
>little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- 
>and thou didst mischief (and violence)!  This 
>day shall We save thee in the body, that thou 
>mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! 
>but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).
>2. Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these 
>things have been sent down by none but the Lord 
>of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening 
>evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, 
>to be one doomed to destruction!"  So he 
>resolved to remove them from the face of the 
>earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103).
>7. Is wine consumption good or bad?
>1. O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, 
>(dedication of) stones, and (divination by) 
>arrows, are an abomination,--of Satan's 
>handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).
>2. (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the 
>righteous are promised: in it are rivers of 
>water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the 
>taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to 
>those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and 
>clear. In it there are for them all kinds of 
>fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in 
>such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell 
>for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, 
>boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).
>3. Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On 
>Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight 
>(of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their 
>faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their 
>thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).
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