[Faith-talk] An article I found

Tue Aug 12 18:19:52 UTC 2014

in both religions the interpretation of this 
depends on whether or or not the eye of the 
beholder favors verbal inspiration or not.

God bless

Doris

At 12:56 PM 8/12/2014, you wrote:
>This strikes me as the pot calling the kettle 
>black. So if your point is that Islam is 
>invalidated because the Quran has 
>contradictions, then Christianity is invalidated 
>right along with it. Which I agree with of 
>course, but I doubt that’s what you wanted to do.
>
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>On Aug 12, 2014, at 12:49 PM, RJ Sandefur via 
>Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Dear List, First, Let me say that I do not 
> have a problem with muslams. However, Mostpha 
> has been posting things on this list, where he 
> claims that the Christian bible has 
> contridictions in it. I've found an interest 
> article when a Christian appolologist has asked 
> some questions concerning the Quran. You can find this article at:
> > www.carm.org
> > Then go to the link titled Islam. However, 
> I'm pasting the article below, and I ask you read it with an open mind.
> > Contradictions in the Qur'an
> > by Matt Slick
> > The Qur'an states that it is a perfect book 
> preserved on tablets in heaven (Surah 
> 85:21-22).  If the Qur'an is a perfect book 
> from Allah, then there shouldn't be any 
> contradictions in it.  Of course, the Muslims 
> will deny any contradictions exist in the 
> Qur'an, but they do.  Some of the 
> contradictions below could be debated, but some 
> of them are clearly contradictions.
> > A contradiction occurs when one statement on 
> a subject excludes the possibility of 
> another.  The first one here is a good 
> example.  In Surah 19:67, it states that man 
> was created out of nothing.  In 15:26, man is 
> created from clay.  Since clay is something, we 
> have a contradiction since "nothing" excludes 
> the possibility of "clay."  Both cannot be true.
> > All quotes from the Qur'an, unless otherwise 
> specified, are from Yusuf Ali and can be found at the Qur'an online.
> > 1. What was man created from:  blood, clay, dust, or nothing?
> > 1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
> > 2. "We created man from sounding clay, from 
> mud moulded into shape, (15:26).
> > 3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is 
> as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then 
> said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
> > 4. "But does not man call to mind that We 
> created him before out of nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
> > 5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and 
> behold this same (man) becomes an open disputer! (16:4).
> > 2. Is there or is there not compulsion in 
> religion according to the Qur'an?
> > 1. "Let there be no compulsion in religion: 
> Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever 
> rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped 
> the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never 
> breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).
> > 2. "And an announcement from Allah and His 
> Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day 
> of the Great Pilgrimage,--that Allah and His 
> Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with 
> the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best 
> for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye 
> cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous 
> penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3).
> > 3. "But when the forbidden months are past, 
> then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find 
> them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie 
> in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); 
> but if they repent, and establish regular 
> prayers and practice regular charity, then open 
> the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).
> > 4. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor 
> the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which 
> hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, 
> nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if 
> they are) of the People of the Book, until they 
> pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29).
> > 3. The first Muslim was Muhammad?  Abraham?  Jacob?  Moses?
> > 1. "And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the 
> first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12).
> > 2. "When Moses came to the place appointed by 
> Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my 
> Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look 
> upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou 
> see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it 
> abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." 
> When his Lord manifested His glory on the 
> Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down 
> in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he 
> said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in 
> repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143).
> > 3. "And this was the legacy that Abraham left 
> to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! 
> Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die 
> not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).
> > 4. Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?
> > 1. Allah forgiveth not that partners should 
> be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything 
> else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners 
> with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48).  Also 4:116
> > 2. The people of the Book ask thee to cause a 
> book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed 
> they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), 
> for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but 
> they were dazed for their presumption, with 
> thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the 
> calf even after clear signs had come to them; 
> even so we forgave them; and gave Moses 
> manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).
> > 5. Are Allah's decrees changed or not?
> > 1. "Rejected were the messengers before thee: 
> with patience and constancy they bore their 
> rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did 
> reach them: there is none that can alter the 
> words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou 
> received some account of those messengers," (6:34).
> > 2. "The word of thy Lord doth find its 
> fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can 
> change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all, (6:115).
> > 3. None of Our revelations do We abrogate or 
> cause to be forgotten, but We substitute 
> something better or similar: Knowest thou not 
> that Allah Hath power over all things?" (2:106).
> > 4. When We substitute one revelation for 
> another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals 
> (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a 
> forger": but most of them understand not," (16:101).
> > 6. Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?
> > 1. "We took the Children of Israel across the 
> sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in 
> insolence and spite. At length, when 
> overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe 
> that there is no god except Him Whom the 
> Children of Israel believe in: I am of those 
> who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to 
> him): "Ah now!- But a little while before, wast 
> thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief 
> (and violence)!  This day shall We save thee in 
> the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those 
> who come after thee! but verily, many among 
> mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).
> > 2. Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these 
> things have been sent down by none but the Lord 
> of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening 
> evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O 
> Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!"  So 
> he resolved to remove them from the face of the 
> earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103).
> > 7. Is wine consumption good or bad?
> > 1. O ye who believe! Intoxicants and 
> gambling, (dedication of) stones, and 
> (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,--of 
> Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).
> > 2. (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which 
> the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of 
> water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which 
> the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy 
> to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure 
> and clear. In it there are for them all kinds 
> of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can 
> those in such Bliss) be compared to such as 
> shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, 
> to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up 
> their bowels (to pieces)?" (47:15).
> > 3. Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On 
> Thrones (of Dignity) will they command a sight 
> (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their 
> faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their 
> thirst will be slaked with Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).
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