[Faith-talk] An article I found

Wed Aug 13 15:15:22 UTC 2014

Poppa Bare, As I've said menny times before on this list, I have friends who 
believe in Islam, and they do not go to the extent that he does. I do not 
mind if people want to learn about Christianity
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He is still selectively sending people emails with the return address as
private. Sneaky scholar it seems. Glad he is not my neighbor.

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I think mustafa is no longer on this list. Do you want it forwarded to him?

DorisAt 12:49 PM 8/12/2014, you wrote:
>Dear List, First, Let me say that I do not have a problem with muslams.
>However, Mostpha has been posting things on this list, where he claims
>that the Christian bible has contridictions in it. I've found an
>interest article when a Christian appolologist has asked some questions
>concerning the Quran. You can find this article at:
>www.carm.org
>Then go to the link titled Islam. However, I'm pasting the article
>below, and I ask you read it with an open mind.
>Contradictions in the Qur'an
>by Matt Slick
>The Qur'an states that it is a perfect book preserved on tablets in
>heaven (Surah 85:21-22).  If the Qur'an is a perfect book from Allah,
>then there shouldn't be any contradictions in it.  Of course, the
>Muslims will deny any contradictions exist in the Qur'an, but they do.
>Some of the contradictions below could be debated, but some of them are
>clearly contradictions.
>A contradiction occurs when one statement on a subject excludes the
>possibility of another.  The first one here is a good example.  In
>Surah 19:67, it states that man was created out of nothing.  In 15:26,
>man is created from clay.  Since clay is something, we have a
>contradiction since "nothing" excludes the possibility of "clay."  Both
>cannot be true.
>All quotes from the Qur'an, unless otherwise specified, are from Yusuf
>Ali and can be found at the Qur'an online.
>1. What was man created from:  blood, clay, dust, or nothing?
>1. "Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood," (96:2).
>2. "We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape,
(15:26).
>3. "The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created
>him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was," (3:59).
>4. "But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of
>nothing?" (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).
>5. "He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man)
>becomes an open disputer! (16:4).
>2. Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an?
>1. "Let there be no compulsion in religion:
>Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in
>Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks.
>And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).
>2. "And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people
>(assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,--that Allah and His
>Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye
>repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye
>cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who
>reject Faith," (9:3).
>3. "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the
>Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie
>in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and
>establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the
>way for
>them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).
>4. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that
>forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor
>acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they
>are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing
>submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29).
>3. The first Muslim was Muhammad?  Abraham?  Jacob?  Moses?
>1. "And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to
>Allah in Islam," (39:12).
>2. "When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord
>addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may
>look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct);
>But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see
>Me."
>When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust.
>And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said:
>"Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to
>believe." (7:143).
>3. "And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did
>Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not
>except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132).
>4. Does Allah forgive or not forgive those who worship false gods?
>1. Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He
>forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with
>Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed," (4:48).  Also 4:116 2.
>The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from
>heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they
>said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their
>presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf
>even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and
>gave Moses manifest proofs of authority," (4:153).
>5. Are Allah's decrees changed or not?
>1. "Rejected were the messengers before thee:
>with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs,
>until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words
>(and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of
>those messengers," (6:34).
>2. "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in
>justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and
>knoweth all, (6:115).
>3. None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but
>We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah
>Hath power over all things?" (2:106).
>4. When We substitute one revelation for
>another,- and Allah knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say,
>"Thou art but a forger":
>but most of them understand not," (16:101).
>6. Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning?
>1. "We took the Children of Israel across the
>sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At
>length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: "I believe that there
>is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of
>those who submit (to Allah in Islam). (It was said to him): "Ah now!-
>But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst
>mischief (and violence)!  This day shall We save thee in the body, that
>thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee!
>but verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92).
>2. Moses said, "Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down
>by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening
>evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to
>destruction!"  So he resolved to remove them from the face of the
>earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103).
>7. Is wine consumption good or bad?
>1. O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones,
>and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,--of Satan's
>handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper," (5:90).
>2. (Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised:
>in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the
>taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and
>rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of
>fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be
>compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to
>drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?"
>(47:15).
>3. Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss: On Thrones (of Dignity) will
>they command a sight (of all things): Thou wilt recognize in their
>faces the beaming brightness of Bliss. Their thirst will be slaked with
>Pure Wine sealed," (83:22-25).
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but when you keep on bashing the bible, that's when it becomes a problem. RJ 