[Faith-talk] blindness and faith issues question

[Andrew]

Hi I am with papa bear on this.  I feel you just need to take this
before the lord and ask the lord to help you.  You also need to stay
pure in the lord's eyes. I am not saying you are going to have sex and
things but  but what i will say is this sleeping in the bed would not
be a good idea at all in my opinion. i feel there would have no
problem with him even to sleep on the couch and things but not in same
bed.  I don't know  where you are at in your christian walk or where
blake is at in his christian walk but  purity should be at the center
of a relationship in my opinion and  those of us who are believers in
christ really need  to  keep our lives pure out of respect for those
who are not a christian or  not of same faith some may say differently
what they believe but personally i feel the bible needs to be followed
when it comes to purity and  i strongly am against people sleeping
with people  of oppisite gender until they are married and the bed
when the two come together  should be when they are one once a person
is married there is no issues with you sleeping in the same bed. I
would suggest that you and blake have a good talk  about boundries and
 just temptations  generally speaking i feel  that every boy or girl
friend needs to have these talks anyway.  sleeping in same bed before
marriage i feel is just asking for trouble.  I won't tell you what to
do but this is how i truly feel and i personally feel purity should be
at the center.

On 12/17/14, Poppa Bear via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Beth, I understand your Pastors concerns, he is probably looking at
> the situation the same way he would as a father, or a brother. I think that
> his concerns are valid. I also think that circumstances can be difficult
> for
> people to understand even when they are really tuned into the Bible. I
> think
> that more pastors should be courageous enough to say what he did. If I were
> you, I would really examine my heart and sort out if whether or not this
> man
> staying with you would be a sexual temptation, you don't want to deceive
> yourself because if you fall into sin in this area it may take a long time
> to deal with the guilt. If you feel that your heart is completely certain
> that it is not a temptation and that he will strictly be staying with you
> as
> a boarding type of situation, no sleeping in the same bed, getting closer
> than you know you should physically then I think you may be able to do it.
> I
> don't think you should leave your church over it, I am only speaking from
> second hand, I know so little about your church overall. If you have a
> clear
> conscience over it, then rest in the Lord about it. Don't avoid church,
> your
> Pastor or church friends, don't debate over it or try to make a ten point
> bulletin about it. Your pastor may be a little hurt or frustrated and have
> his doubts about whether or not you can withstand this kind of temptation,
> but that is natural in my opinion. Don't force the pastor to except your
> decision, let him do his thing and give it time.
> I hope that my thoughts help you have another perspective on this.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth
> Taurasi via Faith-talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:16 AM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: [Faith-talk] blindness and faith issues question
>
> Dear List members,
> I don't normally post here much, but I have a situation that calls for some
> blindness education, but it seems like all the blindness education is going
> nowhere.  I had a little phone conference with my church's pastor, Glynn,
> and he told me that all practicalities are trumped by the Bible's
> commandment for women and men not to sleep in the same apartment, no
> questions asked.  He didn't approach it in a nasty way, but I'm concerned.
> Blake, my boyfriend from Arizona, is an alumni of the CCB.  He's coming
> over
> here to spend a week with me in Denver, but we've got the problem of the
> church saying he shouldn't sleep in my apartment.  Well, even if he didn't,
> the building I live in has some bad people in it.  Case in point, there was
> a guy so demented in the laundry room once that demanded I not touch his
> clothes, and I told him in a rather curt way that "I'm blind, I had no clue
> those were yours."
> Because of this, I have an aversion to community laundry rooms.  A
> caregiver
> goes down and does my laundry for me.  Plus the machines are not ADA
> compliant.  Ugh.
> But that's beside the point.  It  just proves that some males don't know
> how
> to take care of themselves in this building.  The other option the church
> gave me was to have Blake's mother with him on the trip.  Nope.
> That's not possible, Blake wants to see me and only me, and his mom doesn't
> want to come.  Reasonably, I think this is fine since Kathy, the mother,
> does not have any motivation much to get up and go to exotic places or
> whatever.  All she is doing these days is working the studio.
> She teaches tai kwon do.  Blake on the other hand is no longer active in
> the
> studio.
> The church has also suggested that Blake live somewhere but not my
> apartment
> for the week.  I keep explaining that my apartment building is located near
> a bus line, the 9.  Glynn didn't seem to think this was ok though.  Blake
> and I have prepared for this moment, where the church people tell us not to
> stay in the apartment together.  Hey, we don't want to have sex or anything
> stupid, we just need places to sleep.
> Where in the Bible would it justify Blake having to sleep somewhere else,
> outside the apartment's walls?
> Then, Blake and I discussed Glynn's weird thoughts.  Blake suggests Glynn
> tour the CCB.  I plan to explain the situation a bit clearer to
> Glynn: Blind people must live near a bus or light rail, must have tactile
> microwave buttons which hotels don't have, must have a labeled and marked
> environment which a lot of hotels don't have, and more importantly, for
> Blake, must have someone his mother trusts. She doesn't trust all males in
> my building because she's never met them.  Kathy can't meet those people
> because she is not apt to going to Denver.
> Kathy is a worried mother who lost her other son to a murder suicide, which
> I won't go into.  All I'll say is that it was the boy's sick girlfriend who
> killed him.  Kathy now knows I would NEVER kill her son.
> Why would I!
> Of course, Glynn tries to put his Biblical commands in the way of
> independence.  Where, I ask, does independence end and biblicality begin?
> Where do my rights as a blind person end and the right of Christians begin?
> Does Jesus know all this could take place?  He healed the blind, not taught
> them skills.  I also graduated the CCB, so skills are important.  I can
> travel, and from time to time, I take a bus downtown.  Not bad, you say,
> but
> with those resources, I can also get door to door transit via access a
> ride.
> Blake needs to be able to take advantage of that transit.  So it looks easy
> to say and I conclude that Blake must stay here, but what do you guys think
> of this!  What do you guys say would be a solution to the problem? We
> understand that sex belongs in the context of marriage.  It is legitimate
> to
> think this way, and the bodies are from a fallen world, but I want a
> forward
> answer as to what we could do to solve the church and our problem?  What
> should Blake and I say to Glynn about the sleeping arrangements if they are
> brought up again? Should Glynn, the pastor, go on a tour of CCB and talk to
> staff about their lives as blind professionals?  Do you think as a
> Christian
> who is blind that there need to be modifications made to a lifestyle where
> cars are the norm?  Thanks in advance.
> Beth
>
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