[Faith-talk] blindness and faith issues question

Wed Dec 17 23:38:49 UTC 2014

as a blind ordained pastor myself,, i agree with this. our sighted counterparts should be educated so as they can better help with these situations when they arise. 
 god bless
Timothy Clark Ministries 

  http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com

On Kislev 25, 5775 AM, at 18:24, Andrew <andrewjedg at gmail.com> wrote:

> We have to set ourselves part from the world and  just allow the
> spirit to guide us all. I feel her church gave some good advice while
> at the same time i feel i could disagree with what the pastor is
> saying   feel some pastors don't know how to deal with the blind  I
> liked the ideas beth did say to the church though in that  things are
> taken care of i feel pastors need to be educated on the blind but also
> they need to be   understanding as well. like even two the couch
> would do trick as well. I  know the pastor's concerns though and i
> hope and pray things go as planned.  i feel from what i read here the
> church is is teaching the word and concerned that is all.   the bottom
> line is this we have to educate our pastors and show them what we can
> do and educate them on how they should treat us.  We can't make them
> but we can only educate the pastors   they need help as much as we do
> so bottom line is educate them.
> 
> On 12/17/14, Timothy Clark Ministries via Faith-talk
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> justin -
>> i think the fact her church is advising her is something to be respected.
>> it certainly is not worth her leaving just so as she can do as she pleases.
>> 
>> we are christians, we are to be set apart from the world. we have
>> fellowship with fellow believers to discuss our problems and to worship god.
>> taking that away from her is simply a disaster waiting to happen.
>> god bless you
>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>> 
>> On Kislev 25, 5775 AM, at 18:05, justin williams via Faith-talk
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> You are a grown woman; do what you want, but definitely, leave your
>>> church
>>> out of this;  it is your business You have to do what you have to do for
>>> you
>>> and to make things work for you and blake.
>>> Justin
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth
>>> Taurasi via Faith-talk
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 3:16 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] blindness and faith issues question
>>> 
>>> Dear List members,
>>> I don't normally post here much, but I have a situation that calls for
>>> some
>>> blindness education, but it seems like all the blindness education is
>>> going
>>> nowhere.  I had a little phone conference with my church's pastor, Glynn,
>>> and he told me that all practicalities are trumped by the Bible's
>>> commandment for women and men not to sleep in the same apartment, no
>>> questions asked.  He didn't approach it in a nasty way, but I'm
>>> concerned.
>>> Blake, my boyfriend from Arizona, is an alumni of the CCB.  He's coming
>>> over
>>> here to spend a week with me in Denver, but we've got the problem of the
>>> church saying he shouldn't sleep in my apartment.  Well, even if he
>>> didn't,
>>> the building I live in has some bad people in it.  Case in point, there
>>> was
>>> a guy so demented in the laundry room once that demanded I not touch his
>>> clothes, and I told him in a rather curt way that "I'm blind, I had no
>>> clue
>>> those were yours."
>>> Because of this, I have an aversion to community laundry rooms.  A
>>> caregiver
>>> goes down and does my laundry for me.  Plus the machines are not ADA
>>> compliant.  Ugh.
>>> But that's beside the point.  It  just proves that some males don't know
>>> how
>>> to take care of themselves in this building.  The other option the church
>>> gave me was to have Blake's mother with him on the trip.  Nope.
>>> That's not possible, Blake wants to see me and only me, and his mom
>>> doesn't
>>> want to come.  Reasonably, I think this is fine since Kathy, the mother,
>>> does not have any motivation much to get up and go to exotic places or
>>> whatever.  All she is doing these days is working the studio.
>>> She teaches tai kwon do.  Blake on the other hand is no longer active in
>>> the
>>> studio.
>>> The church has also suggested that Blake live somewhere but not my
>>> apartment
>>> for the week.  I keep explaining that my apartment building is located
>>> near
>>> a bus line, the 9.  Glynn didn't seem to think this was ok though.  Blake
>>> and I have prepared for this moment, where the church people tell us not
>>> to
>>> stay in the apartment together.  Hey, we don't want to have sex or
>>> anything
>>> stupid, we just need places to sleep.
>>> Where in the Bible would it justify Blake having to sleep somewhere else,
>>> outside the apartment's walls?
>>> Then, Blake and I discussed Glynn's weird thoughts.  Blake suggests Glynn
>>> tour the CCB.  I plan to explain the situation a bit clearer to
>>> Glynn: Blind people must live near a bus or light rail, must have tactile
>>> microwave buttons which hotels don't have, must have a labeled and marked
>>> environment which a lot of hotels don't have, and more importantly, for
>>> Blake, must have someone his mother trusts. She doesn't trust all males
>>> in
>>> my building because she's never met them.  Kathy can't meet those people
>>> because she is not apt to going to Denver.
>>> Kathy is a worried mother who lost her other son to a murder suicide,
>>> which
>>> I won't go into.  All I'll say is that it was the boy's sick girlfriend
>>> who
>>> killed him.  Kathy now knows I would NEVER kill her son.
>>> Why would I!
>>> Of course, Glynn tries to put his Biblical commands in the way of
>>> independence.  Where, I ask, does independence end and biblicality begin?
>>> Where do my rights as a blind person end and the right of Christians
>>> begin?
>>> Does Jesus know all this could take place?  He healed the blind, not
>>> taught
>>> them skills.  I also graduated the CCB, so skills are important.  I can
>>> travel, and from time to time, I take a bus downtown.  Not bad, you say,
>>> but
>>> with those resources, I can also get door to door transit via access a
>>> ride.
>>> Blake needs to be able to take advantage of that transit.  So it looks
>>> easy
>>> to say and I conclude that Blake must stay here, but what do you guys
>>> think
>>> of this!  What do you guys say would be a solution to the problem? We
>>> understand that sex belongs in the context of marriage.  It is legitimate
>>> to
>>> think this way, and the bodies are from a fallen world, but I want a
>>> forward
>>> answer as to what we could do to solve the church and our problem?  What
>>> should Blake and I say to Glynn about the sleeping arrangements if they
>>> are
>>> brought up again? Should Glynn, the pastor, go on a tour of CCB and talk
>>> to
>>> staff about their lives as blind professionals?  Do you think as a
>>> Christian
>>> who is blind that there need to be modifications made to a lifestyle
>>> where
>>> cars are the norm?  Thanks in advance.
>>> Beth
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> me
>>> by skype at denverqueen0920
>>> 
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