[Faith-talk] blindness and faith issues question

Wed Dec 17 23:24:19 UTC 2014

We have to set ourselves part from the world and  just allow the
spirit to guide us all. I feel her church gave some good advice while
at the same time i feel i could disagree with what the pastor is
saying   feel some pastors don't know how to deal with the blind  I
liked the ideas beth did say to the church though in that  things are
taken care of i feel pastors need to be educated on the blind but also
 they need to be   understanding as well. like even two the couch
would do trick as well. I  know the pastor's concerns though and i
hope and pray things go as planned.  i feel from what i read here the
church is is teaching the word and concerned that is all.   the bottom
line is this we have to educate our pastors and show them what we can
do and educate them on how they should treat us.  We can't make them
but we can only educate the pastors   they need help as much as we do
so bottom line is educate them.

On 12/17/14, Timothy Clark Ministries via Faith-talk
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> justin -
>  i think the fact her church is advising her is something to be respected.
> it certainly is not worth her leaving just so as she can do as she pleases.
>
>  we are christians, we are to be set apart from the world. we have
> fellowship with fellow believers to discuss our problems and to worship god.
> taking that away from her is simply a disaster waiting to happen.
>  god bless you
> Timothy Clark Ministries
>
>
>
>   http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>
> On Kislev 25, 5775 AM, at 18:05, justin williams via Faith-talk
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> You are a grown woman; do what you want, but definitely, leave your
>> church
>> out of this;  it is your business You have to do what you have to do for
>> you
>> and to make things work for you and blake.
>> Justin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth
>> Taurasi via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 3:16 PM
>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] blindness and faith issues question
>>
>> Dear List members,
>> I don't normally post here much, but I have a situation that calls for
>> some
>> blindness education, but it seems like all the blindness education is
>> going
>> nowhere.  I had a little phone conference with my church's pastor, Glynn,
>> and he told me that all practicalities are trumped by the Bible's
>> commandment for women and men not to sleep in the same apartment, no
>> questions asked.  He didn't approach it in a nasty way, but I'm
>> concerned.
>> Blake, my boyfriend from Arizona, is an alumni of the CCB.  He's coming
>> over
>> here to spend a week with me in Denver, but we've got the problem of the
>> church saying he shouldn't sleep in my apartment.  Well, even if he
>> didn't,
>> the building I live in has some bad people in it.  Case in point, there
>> was
>> a guy so demented in the laundry room once that demanded I not touch his
>> clothes, and I told him in a rather curt way that "I'm blind, I had no
>> clue
>> those were yours."
>> Because of this, I have an aversion to community laundry rooms.  A
>> caregiver
>> goes down and does my laundry for me.  Plus the machines are not ADA
>> compliant.  Ugh.
>> But that's beside the point.  It  just proves that some males don't know
>> how
>> to take care of themselves in this building.  The other option the church
>> gave me was to have Blake's mother with him on the trip.  Nope.
>> That's not possible, Blake wants to see me and only me, and his mom
>> doesn't
>> want to come.  Reasonably, I think this is fine since Kathy, the mother,
>> does not have any motivation much to get up and go to exotic places or
>> whatever.  All she is doing these days is working the studio.
>> She teaches tai kwon do.  Blake on the other hand is no longer active in
>> the
>> studio.
>> The church has also suggested that Blake live somewhere but not my
>> apartment
>> for the week.  I keep explaining that my apartment building is located
>> near
>> a bus line, the 9.  Glynn didn't seem to think this was ok though.  Blake
>> and I have prepared for this moment, where the church people tell us not
>> to
>> stay in the apartment together.  Hey, we don't want to have sex or
>> anything
>> stupid, we just need places to sleep.
>> Where in the Bible would it justify Blake having to sleep somewhere else,
>> outside the apartment's walls?
>> Then, Blake and I discussed Glynn's weird thoughts.  Blake suggests Glynn
>> tour the CCB.  I plan to explain the situation a bit clearer to
>> Glynn: Blind people must live near a bus or light rail, must have tactile
>> microwave buttons which hotels don't have, must have a labeled and marked
>> environment which a lot of hotels don't have, and more importantly, for
>> Blake, must have someone his mother trusts. She doesn't trust all males
>> in
>> my building because she's never met them.  Kathy can't meet those people
>> because she is not apt to going to Denver.
>> Kathy is a worried mother who lost her other son to a murder suicide,
>> which
>> I won't go into.  All I'll say is that it was the boy's sick girlfriend
>> who
>> killed him.  Kathy now knows I would NEVER kill her son.
>> Why would I!
>> Of course, Glynn tries to put his Biblical commands in the way of
>> independence.  Where, I ask, does independence end and biblicality begin?
>> Where do my rights as a blind person end and the right of Christians
>> begin?
>> Does Jesus know all this could take place?  He healed the blind, not
>> taught
>> them skills.  I also graduated the CCB, so skills are important.  I can
>> travel, and from time to time, I take a bus downtown.  Not bad, you say,
>> but
>> with those resources, I can also get door to door transit via access a
>> ride.
>> Blake needs to be able to take advantage of that transit.  So it looks
>> easy
>> to say and I conclude that Blake must stay here, but what do you guys
>> think
>> of this!  What do you guys say would be a solution to the problem? We
>> understand that sex belongs in the context of marriage.  It is legitimate
>> to
>> think this way, and the bodies are from a fallen world, but I want a
>> forward
>> answer as to what we could do to solve the church and our problem?  What
>> should Blake and I say to Glynn about the sleeping arrangements if they
>> are
>> brought up again? Should Glynn, the pastor, go on a tour of CCB and talk
>> to
>> staff about their lives as blind professionals?  Do you think as a
>> Christian
>> who is blind that there need to be modifications made to a lifestyle
>> where
>> cars are the norm?  Thanks in advance.
>> Beth
>>
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>> by skype at denverqueen0920
>>
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