[Faith-talk] Legalists?

Fri Dec 19 14:13:53 UTC 2014

Hi i personally believe in telling the truth the way i see it is this
way if we truly love  love people i would tell the truth as it is
sometimes the truth does hurt. that is just  the way i view it.  i
don't sugar coat the truth and i won't change the truth no matter who
i talk to they will hear the truth from me.  and it will most likely
be the biblical truth. that is just how i opperate as i don't aime to
please people i only aime to please one and that one  is god himself.

On 12/19/14, Timothy Clark Ministries via Faith-talk
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> we must be supportive but being supportive doesn't always mean that we agree
> with a particular individuals actions and they need to know that. they also
> need to know the reason why you don't agree with them.  however, they also
> need to know that they are loved.
> Timothy Clark Ministries
>
>
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>   http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
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> On Kislev 27, 5775 AM, at 0:38, Christine Olivares <rafael4490 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> And I don't throw the baby out with the bath water. There are certain
>> things I do agree with, but I don't agree with doing things out of laws or
>> such. I strongly disagree with "shooting the wounded." That can make
>> people leave Christianity for good. I know people who have left it for
>> things like the Occalt and such because of how they were "shot." I guess
>> there are just ways of being loving, supportive but not necessarily
>> agreeing.
>>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 12:17 AM, Timothy Clark Ministries
>>> <timothyclarkministries at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> it's all good. just pointing out the difference between legalism and
>>> holiness.
>>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> On Kislev 26, 5775 AM, at 23:18, Christine Olivares
>>> <rafael4490 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I guess the correct word I was looking for was more fundamentalism which
>>>> I completely disagree with. I wasn't trying to offend, but when people
>>>> place laws before love, that is not in any way christian. We would be
>>>> acting like pharisees of old. this is a sensitive subject for me. I have
>>>> been very very hurt by "Christians." I was disowned by a relative who
>>>> put her religion before loving me, which is what I really needed.
>>>> Instead of just loving me, she pretended I didn't exist until I came
>>>> back to God. I see it among Christians, and it makes me really mad.
>>>> Sometimes we need to love, give advice, but not push it down someone's
>>>> throat...that's what made me leave Christianity in the first place when it
>>>> happened.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry if I hurt anyone, but it brought back memories that were a painful
>>>> part of my life.
>>>>
>>>> God bless,
>>>> Christine
>>>>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Timothy Clark Ministries via Faith-talk
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Legalism, in Christian theology, is a usually pejorative term referring
>>>>> to an over-emphasis on discipline of conduct, or legal ideas, usually
>>>>> implying an allegation of misguided rigour, pride, superficiality, the
>>>>> neglect of mercy, and ignorance of thegrace of God or emphasizing the
>>>>> letter of law at the expense of the spirit. Legalism is alleged against
>>>>> any view that obedience to law, not faith in God's grace, is the
>>>>> pre-eminent principle of redemption. On the Biblical viewpoint that
>>>>> redemption is not earned by works, but that obedient faith is required
>>>>> to enter and remain in the redeemed state, see Covenantal nomism
>>>>> holiness on the other hand shows God in sobering terms. Among the
>>>>> myriad titles given, he is called "a consuming fire," "Judge of all the
>>>>> earth," and the "Lord of hosts"--a title that portrays God poised for
>>>>> battle, at the head of a heavenly army. In addition, the Bible stresses
>>>>> God's discontinuity with humankind. "God is not human that he should .
>>>>> . ." is almost a refrain in Scripture. We might imagine that God is a
>>>>> sort of Superman, just like you or me but with additional powers. But
>>>>> that kind of thinking betrays a dangerous illusion. God is radically
>>>>> different from us, in degree and kind. He is ontologically dissimilar,
>>>>> wholly other, dangerous, alien, holy, wild.
>>>>> When God shows up in Scripture, people cower and tremble. They go mute.
>>>>> The ones who manage speech fall into despair. Fainters abound. Take the
>>>>> prophet Daniel. He could stare down lions, but when the heavens opened,
>>>>> he swooned. Ezekiel, too, was overwhelmed by his vision of God. After
>>>>> witnessing Yahweh's throne chariot lift into the air with the sound of
>>>>> a jet engine, he fell face-first to the ground. When Solomon dedicated
>>>>> the temple, the glory of the Lord was so overpowering, "the priests
>>>>> could not perform their service" (1 Kings 8:11).
>>>>>
>>>>> New Testament types fared no better. John's revelations left him lying
>>>>> on the ground "as though dead" (Rev. 1:17). The disciples dropped when
>>>>> they saw Jesus transfigured. Even the intrepid Saul marching to
>>>>> Damascus collapsed before the blazing brilliance of the resurrected
>>>>> Christ.
>>>>>
>>>>> SEE
>>>>> HTTP://WWW.CHRISTIANITYTODAY.COM/CT/2014/MAY/HOW-WE-FORGOT-HOLINESS-OF-GOD.HTML
>>>>>
>>>>> GOD BLESS
>>>>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On Kislev 26, 5775 AM, at 22:48, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Christine and all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I respectfully ask that you refrain from calling us legalists who
>>>>>> believe the Bible and try our best to live by it. Please take care how
>>>>>> you use the term. Bible-believers live how they live because they try
>>>>>> to obey that which they read and are taught from the Bible, and we
>>>>>> joyfully do so, not out of guilt, but out of love for our Lord and our
>>>>>> fellow men, or men and women if you prefer. I'm sure that, if you look
>>>>>> up legalist in the dictionary, it will not say a person who follows
>>>>>> the precepts written in the Bible, so please refrain from using the
>>>>>> term incorrectly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Respectully,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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