[Faith-talk] Legalists?

Fri Dec 19 14:23:35 UTC 2014

As long as telling the truth truly serves a spiritual purpose and not your
own.  God is not glorified because you are grinding an individual under your
truth.

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Hi i personally believe in telling the truth the way i see it is this way if
we truly love  love people i would tell the truth as it is sometimes the
truth does hurt. that is just  the way i view it.  i don't sugar coat the
truth and i won't change the truth no matter who i talk to they will hear
the truth from me.  and it will most likely be the biblical truth. that is
just how i opperate as i don't aime to please people i only aime to please
one and that one  is god himself.

On 12/19/14, Timothy Clark Ministries via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> we must be supportive but being supportive doesn't always mean that we 
> agree with a particular individuals actions and they need to know 
> that. they also need to know the reason why you don't agree with them.  
> however, they also need to know that they are loved.
> Timothy Clark Ministries
>
>
>
>   http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>
> On Kislev 27, 5775 AM, at 0:38, Christine Olivares 
> <rafael4490 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> And I don't throw the baby out with the bath water. There are certain 
>> things I do agree with, but I don't agree with doing things out of 
>> laws or such. I strongly disagree with "shooting the wounded." That 
>> can make people leave Christianity for good. I know people who have 
>> left it for things like the Occalt and such because of how they were 
>> "shot." I guess there are just ways of being loving, supportive but 
>> not necessarily agreeing.
>>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 12:17 AM, Timothy Clark Ministries 
>>> <timothyclarkministries at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> it's all good. just pointing out the difference between legalism and 
>>> holiness.
>>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> On Kislev 26, 5775 AM, at 23:18, Christine Olivares 
>>> <rafael4490 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I guess the correct word I was looking for was more fundamentalism 
>>>> which I completely disagree with. I wasn't trying to offend, but 
>>>> when people place laws before love, that is not in any way 
>>>> christian. We would be acting like pharisees of old. this is a 
>>>> sensitive subject for me. I have been very very hurt by 
>>>> "Christians." I was disowned by a relative who put her religion before
loving me, which is what I really needed.
>>>> Instead of just loving me, she pretended I didn't exist until I 
>>>> came back to God. I see it among Christians, and it makes me really
mad.
>>>> Sometimes we need to love, give advice, but not push it down 
>>>> someone's throat...that's what made me leave Christianity in the 
>>>> first place when it happened.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry if I hurt anyone, but it brought back memories that were a 
>>>> painful part of my life.
>>>>
>>>> God bless,
>>>> Christine
>>>>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Timothy Clark Ministries via 
>>>>> Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Legalism, in Christian theology, is a usually pejorative term 
>>>>> referring to an over-emphasis on discipline of conduct, or legal 
>>>>> ideas, usually implying an allegation of misguided rigour, pride, 
>>>>> superficiality, the neglect of mercy, and ignorance of thegrace of 
>>>>> God or emphasizing the letter of law at the expense of the spirit. 
>>>>> Legalism is alleged against any view that obedience to law, not 
>>>>> faith in God's grace, is the pre-eminent principle of redemption. 
>>>>> On the Biblical viewpoint that redemption is not earned by works, 
>>>>> but that obedient faith is required to enter and remain in the 
>>>>> redeemed state, see Covenantal nomism holiness on the other hand 
>>>>> shows God in sobering terms. Among the myriad titles given, he is 
>>>>> called "a consuming fire," "Judge of all the earth," and the "Lord 
>>>>> of hosts"--a title that portrays God poised for battle, at the 
>>>>> head of a heavenly army. In addition, the Bible stresses God's
discontinuity with humankind. "God is not human that he should .
>>>>> . ." is almost a refrain in Scripture. We might imagine that God 
>>>>> is a sort of Superman, just like you or me but with additional 
>>>>> powers. But that kind of thinking betrays a dangerous illusion. 
>>>>> God is radically different from us, in degree and kind. He is 
>>>>> ontologically dissimilar, wholly other, dangerous, alien, holy, wild.
>>>>> When God shows up in Scripture, people cower and tremble. They go
mute.
>>>>> The ones who manage speech fall into despair. Fainters abound. 
>>>>> Take the prophet Daniel. He could stare down lions, but when the 
>>>>> heavens opened, he swooned. Ezekiel, too, was overwhelmed by his 
>>>>> vision of God. After witnessing Yahweh's throne chariot lift into 
>>>>> the air with the sound of a jet engine, he fell face-first to the 
>>>>> ground. When Solomon dedicated the temple, the glory of the Lord 
>>>>> was so overpowering, "the priests could not perform their service" (1
Kings 8:11).
>>>>>
>>>>> New Testament types fared no better. John's revelations left him 
>>>>> lying on the ground "as though dead" (Rev. 1:17). The disciples 
>>>>> dropped when they saw Jesus transfigured. Even the intrepid Saul 
>>>>> marching to Damascus collapsed before the blazing brilliance of 
>>>>> the resurrected Christ.
>>>>>
>>>>> SEE
>>>>> HTTP://WWW.CHRISTIANITYTODAY.COM/CT/2014/MAY/HOW-WE-FORGOT-HOLINES
>>>>> S-OF-GOD.HTML
>>>>>
>>>>> GOD BLESS
>>>>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On Kislev 26, 5775 AM, at 22:48, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk 
>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Christine and all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I respectfully ask that you refrain from calling us legalists who 
>>>>>> believe the Bible and try our best to live by it. Please take 
>>>>>> care how you use the term. Bible-believers live how they live 
>>>>>> because they try to obey that which they read and are taught from 
>>>>>> the Bible, and we joyfully do so, not out of guilt, but out of 
>>>>>> love for our Lord and our fellow men, or men and women if you 
>>>>>> prefer. I'm sure that, if you look up legalist in the dictionary, 
>>>>>> it will not say a person who follows the precepts written in the 
>>>>>> Bible, so please refrain from using the term incorrectly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Respectully,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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