[Faith-talk] Legalists?

Sat Dec 20 13:56:35 UTC 2014

And when I hear "The church," I think of the Christian church as a whole,
not just the Catholic church. 

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From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brandon
A. Olivares via Faith-talk
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 6:48 PM
To: Timothy Clark Ministries
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Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Legalists?

Nevertheless, "The Church" was all there was to Christianity 700 years ago.
It was all there was to Christianity until the 16th century.

> On Dec 19, 2014, at 4:24 PM, Timothy Clark Ministries
<timothyclarkministries at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> let's get one thing strait. 
> when you refer to "the church" you are referring to the catholic church.
while some might view that as the church, i do not. one denomination is not
the christian church. 
> the church of christ is the body of believers. we the believers are the
bride of jesus and he's coming back again. 
> one denomination doesn't make up the church. 
> the church is made of members of each denomination. 
> i'm speaking generally here so as not to offend. if i wrote this the way i
truly feel, i would be booted off of the list for my extreme and radical
views.
> Timothy Clark Ministries
> 
> 
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>  http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
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> On Kislev 27, 5775 AM, at 14:51, Brandon A. Olivares
<programmer2188 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, thank you. No one is going to respond favorably to forced
conversion. The Church tried that already back in the dark ages, and the
result wasn't good.
>> 
>>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 1:08 PM, Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> 
>>> Isn't the reason Jesus died on the cross for us to give us a choice? He
wants us to have the freedom to make a choice to follow him. Christianity is
not a religion that one is forced into. You make the choice to be there. So,
that means that we need to gently give people the Gospel. Don't shove it
down their throat. Give them the freedom to make choices. That's why Jesus
came. To give us new life. God wants us to lead people to him, but by
example, not by force.
>>> 
>>> Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas Vice President, Ohio 
>>> Association of blind students Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com "The wind 
>>> of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." Arabian 
>>> proverb
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Oh really? And how many more people are you saving by shoving your
religion down their throats? In my experience, it pushes them away even
more. Why do you think I'm not Christian? Too many Christians telling me I'm
going to hell because I have slightly different beliefs. You might think
that is true, but telling someone that doesn't inspire them to convert to
your religion. They're just going to think you're a mean person.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Timothy Clark Ministries
<timothyclarkministries at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> brandon, if we took this oh let them be approach, there would be many
dammed to hell and their blood would be on our hands because we did nothing
to stop them. we did nothing to try to ring them into the flock.
>>>>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Kislev 27, 5775 AM, at 10:34, Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sometimes, if you think someone is making a mistake, you need to let
them make that mistake. They will learn it a lot faster than if you preach
at them. Unfortunately the latter is the approach many Christians seem to
take, and so it's no wonder why those outside of Christianity have such a
negative perception of it. Sure if you like, express your opinion, once.
Then let them do what they will do. Perhaps you are right, or perhaps they
are right. Just let them be.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 10:09 AM, Debby Phillips via Faith-talk
<faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The problem is that sometimes people think that when people disagree
with a decision or whatever that they're not being loving.  Loving someone
does not necessarily mean that I will agree with everything that person
thinks, says, decides to do.  If that were true, parents would just let
their kids do whatever they wanted to.  (Oh, I forgot, lots do that
nowadays).  Lol.  But seriously if I love you and you're approaching a hot
stove with your hand outstretched, should I just let you burn your hand
without saying something to stop you?    Blessings,    Debby and Neena
>>>>>>> 
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