[Faith-talk] Legalists?

Sat Dec 20 18:48:32 UTC 2014

Hi
I think one of the strongest ways we can disagree with something as a 
believer is how we live, by choosing not to participate in things and if 
someone asks then it gives us a platform to say why.  Unfortunately it is so 
much easier to jump in with words and I think that's why the Bible advises 
us to be slow to speak.  I'm still working on it because I always desire to 
get my 2 cents in, but it's not always the right time to do that.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Timothy Clark Ministries via Faith-talk
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:47 PM
To: Christine Olivares
Cc: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Legalists?

we must be supportive but being supportive doesn’t always mean that we agree 
with a particular individuals actions and they need to know that. they also 
need to know the reason why you don’t agree with them.  however, they also 
need to know that they are loved.
Timothy Clark Ministries

  http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com

On Kislev 27, 5775 AM, at 0:38, Christine Olivares <rafael4490 at gmail.com> 
wrote:

> And I don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. There are certain 
> things I do agree with, but I don’t agree with doing things out of laws or 
> such. I strongly disagree with “shooting the wounded.” That can make 
> people leave Christianity for good. I know people who have left it for 
> things like the Occalt and such because of how they were “shot.” I guess 
> there are just ways of being loving, supportive but not necessarily 
> agreeing.
>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 12:17 AM, Timothy Clark Ministries 
>> <timothyclarkministries at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> it’s all good. just pointing out the difference between legalism and 
>> holiness.
>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>>
>> On Kislev 26, 5775 AM, at 23:18, Christine Olivares 
>> <rafael4490 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I guess the correct word I was looking for was more fundamentalism which 
>>> I completely disagree with. I wasn’t trying to offend, but when people 
>>> place laws before love, that is not in any way christian. We would be 
>>> acting like pharisees of old. this is a sensitive subject for me. I have 
>>> been very very hurt by “Christians.” I was disowned by a relative who 
>>> put her religion before loving me, which is what I really needed. 
>>> Instead of just loving me, she pretended I didn’t exist until I came 
>>> back to God. I see it among Christians, and it makes me really mad. 
>>> Sometimes we need to love, give advice, but not push it down someone’s 
>>> throat…that’s what made me leave Christianity in the first place when it 
>>> happened.
>>>
>>> Sorry if I hurt anyone, but it brought back memories that were a painful 
>>> part of my life.
>>>
>>> God bless,
>>> Christine
>>>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Timothy Clark Ministries via Faith-talk 
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Legalism, in Christian theology, is a usually pejorative term referring 
>>>> to an over-emphasis on discipline of conduct, or legal ideas, usually 
>>>> implying an allegation of misguided rigour, pride, superficiality, the 
>>>> neglect of mercy, and ignorance of thegrace of God or emphasizing the 
>>>> letter of law at the expense of the spirit. Legalism is alleged against 
>>>> any view that obedience to law, not faith in God's grace, is the 
>>>> pre-eminent principle of redemption. On the Biblical viewpoint that 
>>>> redemption is not earned by works, but that obedient faith is required 
>>>> to enter and remain in the redeemed state, see Covenantal nomism
>>>> holiness on the other hand shows God in sobering terms. Among the 
>>>> myriad titles given, he is called "a consuming fire," "Judge of all the 
>>>> earth," and the "Lord of hosts"—a title that portrays God poised for 
>>>> battle, at the head of a heavenly army. In addition, the Bible stresses 
>>>> God's discontinuity with humankind. "God is not human that he should . 
>>>> . ." is almost a refrain in Scripture. We might imagine that God is a 
>>>> sort of Superman, just like you or me but with additional powers. But 
>>>> that kind of thinking betrays a dangerous illusion. God is radically 
>>>> different from us, in degree and kind. He is ontologically dissimilar, 
>>>> wholly other, dangerous, alien, holy, wild.
>>>> When God shows up in Scripture, people cower and tremble. They go mute. 
>>>> The ones who manage speech fall into despair. Fainters abound. Take the 
>>>> prophet Daniel. He could stare down lions, but when the heavens opened, 
>>>> he swooned. Ezekiel, too, was overwhelmed by his vision of God. After 
>>>> witnessing Yahweh's throne chariot lift into the air with the sound of 
>>>> a jet engine, he fell face-first to the ground. When Solomon dedicated 
>>>> the temple, the glory of the Lord was so overpowering, "the priests 
>>>> could not perform their service" (1 Kings 8:11).
>>>>
>>>> New Testament types fared no better. John's revelations left him lying 
>>>> on the ground "as though dead" (Rev. 1:17). The disciples dropped when 
>>>> they saw Jesus transfigured. Even the intrepid Saul marching to 
>>>> Damascus collapsed before the blazing brilliance of the resurrected 
>>>> Christ.
>>>>
>>>> SEE 
>>>> HTTP://WWW.CHRISTIANITYTODAY.COM/CT/2014/MAY/HOW-WE-FORGOT-HOLINESS-OF-GOD.HTML
>>>> GOD BLESS
>>>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>>>>
>>>> On Kislev 26, 5775 AM, at 22:48, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk 
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Christine and all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I respectfully ask that you refrain from calling us legalists who 
>>>>> believe the Bible and try our best to live by it. Please take care how 
>>>>> you use the term. Bible-believers live how they live because they try 
>>>>> to obey that which they read and are taught from the Bible, and we 
>>>>> joyfully do so, not out of guilt, but out of love for our Lord and our 
>>>>> fellow men, or men and women if you prefer. I'm sure that, if you look 
>>>>> up legalist in the dictionary, it will not say a person who follows 
>>>>> the precepts written in the Bible, so please refrain from using the 
>>>>> term incorrectly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Respectully,
>>>>>
>>>>> Linda
>>>>>
>>>>>
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