[Faith-talk] Legalists?

Fri Dec 19 17:08:31 UTC 2014

there is one way to god. see acts 2:37-39
Timothy Clark Ministries 

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On Kislev 27, 5775 AM, at 9:13, Andrew <andrewjedg at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi i personally believe in telling the truth the way i see it is this
> way if we truly love  love people i would tell the truth as it is
> sometimes the truth does hurt. that is just  the way i view it.  i
> don't sugar coat the truth and i won't change the truth no matter who
> i talk to they will hear the truth from me.  and it will most likely
> be the biblical truth. that is just how i opperate as i don't aime to
> please people i only aime to please one and that one  is god himself.
> 
> On 12/19/14, Timothy Clark Ministries via Faith-talk
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> we must be supportive but being supportive doesn't always mean that we agree
>> with a particular individuals actions and they need to know that. they also
>> need to know the reason why you don't agree with them.  however, they also
>> need to know that they are loved.
>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>> 
>> On Kislev 27, 5775 AM, at 0:38, Christine Olivares <rafael4490 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> And I don't throw the baby out with the bath water. There are certain
>>> things I do agree with, but I don't agree with doing things out of laws or
>>> such. I strongly disagree with "shooting the wounded." That can make
>>> people leave Christianity for good. I know people who have left it for
>>> things like the Occalt and such because of how they were "shot." I guess
>>> there are just ways of being loving, supportive but not necessarily
>>> agreeing.
>>>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 12:17 AM, Timothy Clark Ministries
>>>> <timothyclarkministries at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> it's all good. just pointing out the difference between legalism and
>>>> holiness.
>>>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>>>> 
>>>> On Kislev 26, 5775 AM, at 23:18, Christine Olivares
>>>> <rafael4490 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I guess the correct word I was looking for was more fundamentalism which
>>>>> I completely disagree with. I wasn't trying to offend, but when people
>>>>> place laws before love, that is not in any way christian. We would be
>>>>> acting like pharisees of old. this is a sensitive subject for me. I have
>>>>> been very very hurt by "Christians." I was disowned by a relative who
>>>>> put her religion before loving me, which is what I really needed.
>>>>> Instead of just loving me, she pretended I didn't exist until I came
>>>>> back to God. I see it among Christians, and it makes me really mad.
>>>>> Sometimes we need to love, give advice, but not push it down someone's
>>>>> throat...that's what made me leave Christianity in the first place when it
>>>>> happened.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry if I hurt anyone, but it brought back memories that were a painful
>>>>> part of my life.
>>>>> 
>>>>> God bless,
>>>>> Christine
>>>>>> On Dec 18, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Timothy Clark Ministries via Faith-talk
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Legalism, in Christian theology, is a usually pejorative term referring
>>>>>> to an over-emphasis on discipline of conduct, or legal ideas, usually
>>>>>> implying an allegation of misguided rigour, pride, superficiality, the
>>>>>> neglect of mercy, and ignorance of thegrace of God or emphasizing the
>>>>>> letter of law at the expense of the spirit. Legalism is alleged against
>>>>>> any view that obedience to law, not faith in God's grace, is the
>>>>>> pre-eminent principle of redemption. On the Biblical viewpoint that
>>>>>> redemption is not earned by works, but that obedient faith is required
>>>>>> to enter and remain in the redeemed state, see Covenantal nomism
>>>>>> holiness on the other hand shows God in sobering terms. Among the
>>>>>> myriad titles given, he is called "a consuming fire," "Judge of all the
>>>>>> earth," and the "Lord of hosts"--a title that portrays God poised for
>>>>>> battle, at the head of a heavenly army. In addition, the Bible stresses
>>>>>> God's discontinuity with humankind. "God is not human that he should .
>>>>>> . ." is almost a refrain in Scripture. We might imagine that God is a
>>>>>> sort of Superman, just like you or me but with additional powers. But
>>>>>> that kind of thinking betrays a dangerous illusion. God is radically
>>>>>> different from us, in degree and kind. He is ontologically dissimilar,
>>>>>> wholly other, dangerous, alien, holy, wild.
>>>>>> When God shows up in Scripture, people cower and tremble. They go mute.
>>>>>> The ones who manage speech fall into despair. Fainters abound. Take the
>>>>>> prophet Daniel. He could stare down lions, but when the heavens opened,
>>>>>> he swooned. Ezekiel, too, was overwhelmed by his vision of God. After
>>>>>> witnessing Yahweh's throne chariot lift into the air with the sound of
>>>>>> a jet engine, he fell face-first to the ground. When Solomon dedicated
>>>>>> the temple, the glory of the Lord was so overpowering, "the priests
>>>>>> could not perform their service" (1 Kings 8:11).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> New Testament types fared no better. John's revelations left him lying
>>>>>> on the ground "as though dead" (Rev. 1:17). The disciples dropped when
>>>>>> they saw Jesus transfigured. Even the intrepid Saul marching to
>>>>>> Damascus collapsed before the blazing brilliance of the resurrected
>>>>>> Christ.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> SEE
>>>>>> HTTP://WWW.CHRISTIANITYTODAY.COM/CT/2014/MAY/HOW-WE-FORGOT-HOLINESS-OF-GOD.HTML
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> GOD BLESS
>>>>>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Kislev 26, 5775 AM, at 22:48, Linda Mentink via Faith-talk
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Christine and all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I respectfully ask that you refrain from calling us legalists who
>>>>>>> believe the Bible and try our best to live by it. Please take care how
>>>>>>> you use the term. Bible-believers live how they live because they try
>>>>>>> to obey that which they read and are taught from the Bible, and we
>>>>>>> joyfully do so, not out of guilt, but out of love for our Lord and our
>>>>>>> fellow men, or men and women if you prefer. I'm sure that, if you look
>>>>>>> up legalist in the dictionary, it will not say a person who follows
>>>>>>> the precepts written in the Bible, so please refrain from using the
>>>>>>> term incorrectly.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Respectully,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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