[Faith-talk] a distressing book

qubit lauraeaves at yahoo.com
Tue Dec 30 09:08:39 UTC 2014 

Hi again --
I forgot to mention that there are some books, such as the one mentioned at 
the beginning of this thread, that are indeed disturbing.  I also have seen 
shows claiming to be documentary, about books found in the dead sea scrolls. 
I never can watch anything on tv that I trust implicitly, no matter who puts 
it together.
Especially when it covers something controversial like religion.  One thing 
is that i am very picky about bible movies and historical fiction.
It never matches what is written, and what is written differs with the 
translation.
It's interesting.  Movies never match the original story and sometimes the 
changes are crazy.
This is especially annoying when the book it is based on is scripture.  It's 
like a deliberate lie, in the name of artistic expression.

Well, enjoy your year end.
Watch out for those sighted drivers that don't watch where they are 
going...;)
Blessings.
--le


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Timothy Clark Ministries via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: "Brandon A. Olivares" <programmer2188 at gmail.com>
Cc: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] a distressing book


i respect that argument however, i strongly disagree with it.
Timothy Clark Ministries



  http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com

On Tevet 8, 5775 AM, at 1:40, Brandon A. Olivares <programmer2188 at gmail.com> 
wrote:

> I think there’s one truth, that all must find. I don’t think it’s 
> equivalent to the Bible, but that’s each person’s journey to find out.
>
>> On Dec 30, 2014, at 1:35 AM, Timothy Clark Ministries 
>> <timothyclarkministries at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Brandon, i agree with you but what would you have truth take the form of? 
>> would you agree with gnostics who believe truth is whatever we make it, 
>> in other words you find your own “personal truth.”
>> these claims are ridiculously absurd and further more totally out of 
>> proportion to the truth. the truth isn’t what you make it. the truth is 
>> the thing that’s staring you all in the face. read the bible. god’s word. 
>> .
>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>>
>> On Tevet 8, 5775 AM, at 1:32, Brandon A. Olivares 
>> <programmer2188 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Devin,
>>>
>>> I think it’s important to question. If there is a God, then he doesn’t 
>>> want children who blindly believe without finding out the truth for 
>>> themselves. Search, and be open to whatever form the truth takes.
>>>
>>> But just know that every author you read is biased in some way. You can’t 
>>> just read a few books and think that is the end-all be-all. You have to 
>>> figure it out for yourself. I started the journey when I was 10 years 
>>> old, and I don’t think it really ever ends.
>>>
>>> Brandon
>>>
>>>> On Dec 30, 2014, at 1:15 AM, Devin Prater via Faith-talk 
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so much.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 30, 2014, at 12:08 AM, Timothy Clark Ministries 
>>>>> <timothyclarkministries at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> dismiss it.
>>>>> i say this for one reason.
>>>>> you’ll confuse yourself. you’ll give yourself more questions and you’ll 
>>>>> go mad searching for answers. eventually though, if you are persistent 
>>>>> enough, you’ll get there. question is, at what cost to your mental 
>>>>> faculties.
>>>>> i’ve been there, done that. because i’ve done it i can argue against 
>>>>> just about everything but, for most this is not a good path to try to 
>>>>> follow. it takes discipline and patients and a lot of both. if you 
>>>>> continue, be ready for lodes and lodes of sleepless nights.
>>>>> i say give it up if you don’t want to go through it. like i said, i’ve 
>>>>> been there, i’ve done that..
>>>>> Timothy Clark Ministries
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.timothyclarkministries.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tevet 8, 5775 AM, at 1:00, Devin Prater via Faith-talk 
>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all. For years I've saught the truth. For years I've looked and 
>>>>>> looked to find God, and just when I think I've found him, I'm not 
>>>>>> sure. First there was Gnosticism that challenged me the most. I 
>>>>>> studdied it, and even downloaded a few of the gospels, like of 
>>>>>> Thomas. Now don't get me wrong. I don't just flit from view to view 
>>>>>> on religion so easily. I soon emerged from that with the firm 
>>>>>> conviction that it was just not true, for Jesus wouldn't want just a 
>>>>>> little few to become children of God, and while the world is fallen, 
>>>>>> our main wish shouldn't be to get out of it and not live on our way 
>>>>>> through it. But there's a book called Satan's counterfeit 
>>>>>> Christianity that I found on iBooks. I started reading it thinking 
>>>>>> it'd give more about other ideas I should keep away from, but it 
>>>>>> basically reads that all knowledge me have of Christianity is wrong. 
>>>>>> It says that Catholicism is rooted in other religions, based on Babel 
>>>>>> or however you spell it, and that Protestantism is just an extention 
>>>>>> of Catholicism, just split and without the rituals and such. So, now 
>>>>>> what? But the book's only advice about learning the "true faith" is 
>>>>>> to read the Bible deeply. Well, I've been doing that for as long as I 
>>>>>> had a Bible to read, and the only thing I disagree with of most 
>>>>>> Christians is that the sons of God in Gen 6 were fallen angels, not 
>>>>>> sons of Seth. So, is this something I should keep investigating, or 
>>>>>> should I just dismiss it before I cause myself more confusion and 
>>>>>> ache as happened with Gnosticism?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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