[Faith-talk] Faith-talk Digest, Vol 78, Issue 3

Fri Jan 3 12:31:44 UTC 2014

The Noble Qur'an is still memorized and preserved in classical Arabic
until today.

Any translation of the Qur'an is just a translation of the meaning,
and it does not represent the original text, which is in Arabic.

Further discussions are welcome, always on Fridays 7:00 in the morning my time.

Note, I will be going back to Cairo tomorrow, so you may set the
timezone to Egypt.

I mentioned Saudi Arabia yesterday, in case if someone is interested
to join me today.

My skype is:

mostafa-the-speaker

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>    1. {Disarmed} The_Seeds_of_Guidance. (Mostafa)
>    2. Daily Thought for Thursday, January 2, 2014 (Paul)
>    3. Woops, another medical update (Rob Kaiser)
>    4. Re: {Disarmed} The_Seeds_of_Guidance. (Doris and Chris)
>    5. Re: Woops, another medical update (Doris and Chris)
>    6. Re: Woops, another medical update (Rob Kaiser)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 18:27:57 +0200
> From: "Mostafa" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Subject: [Faith-talk] {Disarmed} The_Seeds_of_Guidance.
> Message-ID: <F3E6DEB37B1A4BB7A1A030F1558EA853 at Win7PC>
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> Dear all, peace be with you.
>
>
>
> The portrayal of Jesus in the four Gospels and the writings of Paul
> completely mask the true historical Jesus.
>
>
>
> He was a Galilean peasant consumed with zeal for the kingdom of heaven.
>
>
>
> He unfeignedly advocated the overthrow of the ruling powers, this included
> the high priests in Jerusalem as well as their Roman overlords, and who saw
> himself as the God-appointet apostle   of this new millennium at that time.
>
>
>
> Is the account of Jesus? purification of the Jerusalem temple
>
> provocative action that alarmed the Jewish Temple establishment and alerted
> the vigilant Roman authorities to bring Jesus to his death through
> crucifixion, a form of capital punishment reserved primarily for crimes of
> sedition.
>
>
>
> The Jesus of the New Testament, on the other hand, is a divine figure, the
> ?literal? Son of God, totally devoid of any earthly interest, and is a
> creation of Paul the Apostle and other compliant church leaders on behalf of
> an urban and Hellenistic branch of the early church that was in tension with
> the Jerusalem-based church led by James.
>
>
>
> It is the divine Jesus created by the needs of the Roman church that was
> ultimately triumphant over the authentic portrait of the historical Jesus.
> This is the one that has endured in orthodox Christianity to this day.
>
>
>
> The contemporary denominations of Christianity are essentially based on the
> concept of eminently exulting the entity of Jesus.
>
>
>
> That is a major tennet in their doctrine, that Jesus is somehow divine.
>
>
>
>   I previously discussed my friends about that particular concept.
>
>
>
> Well today, I would love to distinctly eliminate the debate into couple of
> basic contentions.
>
>
>
> 1; The nature of Jesus.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2; The words that Jesus spoke.
>
>
>
> So to the first basic contention then, the nature of Jesus.
>
>
>
> Some Christians believe that Jesus induces two natures'; one is divine, and
> another one that is just mortal.
>
>
>
> Well to be honest with you my friends, I am not sure if I can buy that one.
>
>
>
> I think it just demands to be chronologically reinterpreted.
>
>
>
> The second basic contention, is essentially centered around the concept of
> the words that Jesus spoke.
>
>
>
> I knew that Jesus originally spoke Aramaic, whilst the current Bible is
> translated out of ancient Greek and Latin.
>
>
>
> Well definitely, Jesus never spoke English, Latin, or ancient Greek for even
> that matter.
>
>
>
> He just spoke Aramaic.
>
>
>
> So how can we confidently assure, that this Bible we presently possess, how
> we can verify its thorough authority on that regard?
>
>
>
>             I am not debating though, I am just questioning.
>
>
>
> Simultaneously, I will be satisfied to meet some of you online, to have a
> broadly further discussion onto that.
>
>
>
> Friday 7:00 in the morning my time is the perfect schedule for me.
>
>
>
> I am now located in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
>
>
>
> Although I assume that does not fit your time arrangements, since many of
> you are living in the States.
>
>
>
> But for certain, the schedule above is flexibly negotiable, to mutually
> reach an agreement.
>
>
>
> Thank you so much for reading another one of my posts.
>
>
>
> Peace be with you.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 14:49:45 -0500
> From: "Paul" <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk,	for the discussion of faith and religion"
> 	<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Faith-talk] Daily Thought for Thursday, January 2, 2014
> Message-ID: <25C1D3F455F0406DA84958DF80757EA2 at paul>
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> Hello to all my readers on either the second or third of January 2014,
> depending on where in this world you happen to live.  I hope that your day
> is going well and, for those of you who are even now experiencing inclement
> winter weather, that everything's going well and that your power isn't out.
> I'm not totally certain whether or not I'll be able to go to my Lions Club
> meeting this evening, as we're expecting some of the same type of unpleasant
> weather conditions.  However I've got enough food in my larder if I don't
> go.
>
> As to other things, my housemate Michelle and I were going through some old
> tools and other things that I didn't know I had, and we've gathered together
> those items that I don't need or want.  So, that is done for another 25
> years or so, provided of course that the Lord lets me live that long.
>
> And now for the daily thought message for today.  Its author is not given,
> but it was published some years ago by the American Tract Society which, as
> I told you previously, has been distributing Gospel literature since 1830.
> The article in question is entitled "What's Ahead For the New Year?",
> rendered as follows:
>
> No one knows, but one thing is sure.  No matter what the New Year holds,
> there is one thing we are all doing--growing older.
>
> There is no point trying to deceive ourselves that time is not writing any
> wrinkles on our brows, that we are wearing better than our friends and
> associates, that the years are not hurrying by and taking their toll as they
> do.
>
> Let's face it.  Our days on earth are growing fewer.  But the fault is ours
> if they are growing poorer.
>
> Many people estimate their lives in terms of money, reputation, pleasure or
> passion, judging it to be nothing more than the opportunity to satisfy their
> passing desires.  To those who indulge in this perverted arithmetic in moral
> values, life offers small possibilities and little meaning.
>
> But to all those who have discovered that man cannot grow to full stature
> until he is recreated in the likeness of Jesus Christ, life takes on new
> zest, new meaning, and a new quality.
>
> This quality which Christ gives to life cannot be impaired by time.  Growth
> is its law, service its expression.  Those who share it have an enduring joy
> in their hearts.
>
> The marvelous fact is that this new life is not something we must patiently
> wait to receive on the other side of death.  It is a wonderful gift of God
> which can be ours even now--WHILE WE ARE GROWING OLDER.
>
> The problem, of course, is that we have no right to this new life until we
> settle the question of our sin, for the Bible reminds us that "all have
> sinned and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23), and "the wages of
> sin is death" (Romans 6:23).  On the other hand, the Bible tells us that
> "God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever
> believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16).
>
> Therefore, now is the time to "seek ye the Lord while He may be found, call
> ye upon Him while He is near" (Isaiah 55:6) for He came that "you might have
> life, and that you might have it more abundantly" (John 10:10).
>
> Growing older? We all are, but there is no reason why we shouldn't settle
> this crucial matter right now before any more time slips by.  Don't you
> agree?
>
> Now I know that I have been "preaching to the choir," as the old saying
> goes, but maybe, just maybe, you know of someone or other who needs to hear
> or read this message.  If you do and he/she has access to a computer,
> forward it to them, and someday they will thank you for it.
>
> And now may the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob just keep us safe,
> individually and collectively, in these last days in which we live.  Lord
> willing, tomorrow there will be another Daily Thought message for your
> reading ears, eyes and, if you have a Braille display, even reading fingers.
>  Your Christian friend and brother, Paul
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 17:00:20 -0800
> From: "Rob Kaiser" <rcubfank at sbcglobal.net>
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Subject: [Faith-talk] Woops, another medical update
> Message-ID: <C04DA3EBC96B47D6BFF328B54931D923 at RobHP>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="utf-8"
>
> Hello all:
>
> I thought I would be finished with these.
>
> However, I have been having more problems with my left leg. This time there
> are possibly two nerves involved. They are different nerves. The plan is
> that I will have another nerve decompression this coming MOnday (01/06/2014)
> time still not specified.
>
> The plan is also that the doctor?s office is going to try to get me into an
> assisted living facility for a short time so that I can get the best of care
> even though the surgery is out patient.
>
> THe doctor is saying this is possibly because of two falls I had (one in
> 1976 and the other in 1981both affected my left leg. I have total faith in
> the doctor because every nerve he has fixed so far has worked fine after the
> surgery.
>
> More to come.
>
>
> Rob Kaiser, President National Federation of the Blind of California Orange
> County Chapter
> Cell#(847)989-0768
> email;
> rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 20:35:56 -0500
> From: Doris and Chris <chipmunks at gmx.net>
> To: "Faith-talk,	for the discussion of faith and religion"
> 	<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] {Disarmed} The_Seeds_of_Guidance.
> Message-ID: <0Lxgt9-1VNScF1Rdb-017HDn at mail.gmx.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> Hi, Mustafa,
>
> Thank you for your interesting andthoughtprovoking post. Chris and I
> always appreciate and enjoy them.
>
> Chris just asked me if you were as aware and critical of the sources
> of the quram itself.
>
> What do you think, for example of the "Sublime Quram" translated by
> Laleh Bakhtiar that has gender neutral language. Gender-neutral
> language caused quite a bit of controversy even in orthodox
> Christianity when it became more widely used even though it had
> existed quietly in some Bible translations quietly for some time.
>
> Personal discussion of the topic of Jesus and the Gospels as well as
> any such topic in general online would be extremely intersting. It
> would also just be neat to hear your and some of the other listers' voices.
>
> You mentioned you were now in Saudi Arabia and that 7  would be good
> for you but you did not say which Friday as in date nor the time in
> Universal Time. Could you, please?
>
> i hope very much we get a theological discussion group and maybe also
> esl English group going.
>
> In God's grip of grace!
>
> Doris in Germany
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 20:49:42 -0500
> From: Doris and Chris <chipmunks at gmx.net>
> To: "Faith-talk,	for the discussion of faith and religion"
> 	<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Woops, another medical update
> Message-ID: <0MDW9x-1WDSR538g9-00GpCv at mail.gmx.com>
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>
> What is "nerve compression"? I  have not heard of this term.
>
> We are praying for quick healing for you and are
> thanking God that you have a doctor you can trust.
>
> Doris in Lutherland
>
>
>
>
> At 05:00 PM 2014/01/02 -0800, you wrote:
>>Hello all: I thought I would be finished with
>>these. However, I have been having more problems
>>with my left leg. This time there are possibly
>>two nerves involved. They are different nerves.
>>The plan is that I will have another nerve
>>decompression this coming MOnday (01/06/2014)
>>time still not specified. The plan is also that
>>the doctor???s office is going to try to get me
>>into an assisted living facility for a short
>>time so that I can get the best of care even
>>though the surgery is out patient. THe doctor is
>>saying this is possibly because of two falls I
>>had (one in 1976 and the other in 1981both
>>affected my left leg. I have total faith in the
>>doctor because every nerve he has fixed so far
>>has worked fine after the surgery. More to come.
>>Rob Kaiser, President National Federation of the
>>Blind of California Orange County Chapter
>>Cell#(847)989-0768 email; rcubfank at sbcglobal.net
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 22:34:43 -0800
> From: "Rob Kaiser" <rcubfank at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "Faith-talk,	for the discussion of faith and religion"
> 	<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Woops, another medical update
> Message-ID: <AECB3174DB104CB8BA181E801C21D9C0 at RobHP>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8";
> 	reply-type=response
>
> It is called nerve decompression. The doctor has to open up the area around
>
> the nerve to let kt breath. That is the best definition I can give.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doris and Chris
> Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 5:49 PM
> To: Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Woops, another medical update
>
> What is "nerve compression"? I  have not heard of this term.
>
> We are praying for quick healing for you and are
> thanking God that you have a doctor you can trust.
>
> Doris in Lutherland
>
>
>
>
> At 05:00 PM 2014/01/02 -0800, you wrote:
>>Hello all: I thought I would be finished with these. However, I have been
>>having more problems with my left leg. This time there are possibly two
>>nerves involved. They are different nerves. The plan is that I will have
>>another nerve decompression this coming MOnday (01/06/2014) time still not
>>
>>specified. The plan is also that the doctor???s office is going to try to
>>get me into an assisted living facility for a short time so that I can get
>>
>>the best of care even though the surgery is out patient. THe doctor is
>>saying this is possibly because of two falls I had (one in 1976 and the
>>other in 1981both affected my left leg. I have total faith in the doctor
>>because every nerve he has fixed so far has worked fine after the surgery.
>>
>>More to come. Rob Kaiser, President National Federation of the Blind of
>>California Orange County Chapter Cell#(847)989-0768 email;
>>rcubfank at sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________
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