[Faith-talk] Faith-talk Digest, Vol 78, Issue 15
Donna Elliott
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Thu Jan 16 04:33:04 UTC 2014
Paul, thank you for your refreshing sharing of Part 1. I am looking forward to Part 2.
Blessings in Christ, Donna
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> 1. Re: An invitation of coexistence. (Debby Phillips)
> 2. Re: An invitation of coexistence. (Doris and Chris)
> 3. Daily Thought for Tuesday, January 14, 2014 (Paul)
> 4. Re: An invitation of coexistence. (Linda Mentink)
> 5. Re: An invitation of coexistence. (Doris and Chris)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 08:05:39 -0800
> From: Debby Phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An invitation of coexistence.
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> Good morning, Mustafa, I understand where you are coming from, but here in the U.S. We do not have the right to ban people from saying what is their opinion. (Although it is getting that way if y9ou are not really liberal in your social views). So our only choice here is not to watch somebody that we disagree with. I must go now because it is work time for me. Peace, Debby
>
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>
>> On Jan 13, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Linda Mentink <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Mostafa,
>>
>> We have freedom in this country; thus, no one is banned, not even Muslem terrorists who are building mosks here in the United States.
>>
>> Israel should be supported Politically because that is God's chosen nation, and they are God's chosen people. Oh, that all Christians would pray for and support the Jews!
>>
>> If you don't agree with a pastor's stance, you don't have to listen to him, or learn from him.
>>
>> Cordially,
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> At 10:42 AM 1/13/2014, you wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all, peace be with you.
>>>
>>> Today, I am sending my post directly to Christian inhabitants of the United States in particular.
>>>
>>> I will tell you a little story, and then, I have an initiative, hopefully it is accepted by most of you, because I am sure that most of you are respectful Christians.
>>>
>>> Awhile ago, I met with a Christian guy from Jordan in Saudi Arabia.
>>>
>>> He was my neighbor where I live in Jeddah.
>>>
>>> He started to radically assault Saudi Arabia.
>>>
>>> And then, he proceeded to pose misconceptions about Islam, using what he hears from some Evangelists on Missionary televisions.
>>>
>>> In spite of my conversation with him, but it was not decent as you might expect it to be.
>>>
>>> He was disgraceful towards Islam, and I too was aggressive in my undisciplined reactions.
>>>
>>> We went away, and I never saw him again.
>>>
>>> Before this heated incident, I was never interested, and I never paid attention to Christianity.
>>>
>>> It was a turning point for me to start studying the religion.
>>>
>>> I started to kick off advanced theological debates with Christians across the web, and I stumbled with both moderate and excessive individuals.
>>>
>>> Of course, that was kind of pressure some times, and I was heavily influenced by these heated, and some times hateful debates to be perfectly fair.
>>>
>>> I learned a lot from my mistakes at that time, and I developed a level of defference and empathy toward others.
>>>
>>> I unfeignedly apologize for offending anyone, either deliberately or accidentally.
>>>
>>> We all are expected to slip up, and nothing wrong with admitting our own mistakes.
>>>
>>> To the contrary, I consider that a substantial privilege.
>>>
>>> I then began to study Christianity in a more informative manner.
>>>
>>> What really inspires me to write this message today, is my recent conversation with my friend Poppa Bear, which was prosperously conducted a week ago.
>>>
>>> We were both impressed of how respectful and civil our conversation was.
>>>
>>> We were generously discussing various subjects.
>>>
>>> We felicitously agreed, and we courteously disagreed.
>>>
>>> Our conversation was over whilst we both are satisfied, and we look forward to meeting on a regular basis for more intriguing discussions.
>>>
>>> But to be critically honest, I must admit that I am taken aback of what I hear from some extremist Evangelists.
>>>
>>> Let us take Pastor Jhon Hagee, for instance.
>>>
>>> I listened to some of his sermans today.
>>>
>>> Trust me, I had a horrible stomachache because of the radical intolerance he developed.
>>>
>>> You just could not imagine the gravely hate rhetoric he carried out.
>>>
>>> He is the chief director of demonize Islam bandwagon.
>>>
>>> I comprehend that my Christian friends may find him an impressive speaker on apologetic level.
>>>
>>> But for certain, he does not adhere any level of tolerance towards us.
>>>
>>> He finds the spiritual satisfaction in his corrupted apprehension of Christianity.
>>>
>>> He is the cofounder of that cult of dispensational Evangelism.
>>>
>>> I never understood the concept behind that bedrock of insistently supporting Israel politically, often featured by Pastor Hagee on his public ministries.
>>>
>>> Why my Christian friends out there do not consider certain course of actions to significantly eliminate that impact of hate speech?
>>>
>>> Here in Egypt, the government banned many Muslim clerics from the public arena because of their hate ideology.
>>>
>>> The Brotherhood movement was declared a terrorist organization for imposing violence on civilians and enormously threatening the national security essentials.
>>>
>>> Many prominent religious telecasts were deposed for explicitly inciting hatred toward other minorities.
>>>
>>> I highly encourage my Christian mates in the States to constantly advocate for religious tolerance and coexistence.
>>>
>>> Trust me, nothing comes from religious extremism but hate, denouncing sentiments, verbal violence, and many other elements of growing evil.
>>>
>>> Please, consider banning those who are preaching within instigating hate and hostile rhetoric.
>>>
>>> I expect many of you to be respectful and sincerely devout Christians.
>>>
>>> Thank you for reading my message, and have a pleasant time.
>>>
>>> Thank you so much, peace be with you.
>>>
>>> Mostafa.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 12:40:19 -0500
> From: Doris and Chris <chipmunks at gmx.net>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
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> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An invitation of coexistence.
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> Ms. Linda, not every Muslim is a terrorist nor is there a terrorist
> hiding behind every bush and out to get you. ;-p Mustafa here and
> Sarah, the lady of his heart, are examples of just that. St. Paul was
> one of the most passionate or extremist preachers of his day who went
> way beyond what Jesus himself ever preached yet one of the core
> messages is that love bears all things and overcomes all things. I
> hope and pray as we each seek to be closer to God whatever his name
> is called upon in whatever language . please try to give this a chance.
>
>
> Doris in Lutherland
>
>
>
>
>
> At 08:05 AM 2014/01/14 -0800, you wrote:
>> Good morning, Mustafa, I understand where you are coming from, but
>> here in the U.S. We do not have the right to ban people from saying
>> what is their opinion. (Although it is getting that way if y9ou are
>> not really liberal in your social views). So our only choice here
>> is not to watch somebody that we disagree with. I must go now
>> because it is work time for me. Peace, Debby
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 13, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Linda Mentink <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mostafa,
>>>
>>> We have freedom in this country; thus, no one is banned, not even
>> Muslem terrorists who are building mosks here in the United States.
>>>
>>> Israel should be supported Politically because that is God's
>> chosen nation, and they are God's chosen people. Oh, that all
>> Christians would pray for and support the Jews!
>>>
>>> If you don't agree with a pastor's stance, you don't have to
>> listen to him, or learn from him.
>>>
>>> Cordially,
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>> At 10:42 AM 1/13/2014, you wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all, peace be with you.
>>>>
>>>> Today, I am sending my post directly to Christian inhabitants of
>> the United States in particular.
>>>>
>>>> I will tell you a little story, and then, I have an initiative,
>> hopefully it is accepted by most of you, because I am sure that
>> most of you are respectful Christians.
>>>>
>>>> Awhile ago, I met with a Christian guy from Jordan in Saudi Arabia.
>>>>
>>>> He was my neighbor where I live in Jeddah.
>>>>
>>>> He started to radically assault Saudi Arabia.
>>>>
>>>> And then, he proceeded to pose misconceptions about Islam, using
>> what he hears from some Evangelists on Missionary televisions.
>>>>
>>>> In spite of my conversation with him, but it was not decent as
>> you might expect it to be.
>>>>
>>>> He was disgraceful towards Islam, and I too was aggressive in my
>> undisciplined reactions.
>>>>
>>>> We went away, and I never saw him again.
>>>>
>>>> Before this heated incident, I was never interested, and I never
>> paid attention to Christianity.
>>>>
>>>> It was a turning point for me to start studying the religion.
>>>>
>>>> I started to kick off advanced theological debates with
>> Christians across the web, and I stumbled with both moderate and
>> excessive individuals.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, that was kind of pressure some times, and I was
>> heavily influenced by these heated, and some times hateful debates
>> to be perfectly fair.
>>>>
>>>> I learned a lot from my mistakes at that time, and I developed a
>> level of defference and empathy toward others.
>>>>
>>>> I unfeignedly apologize for offending anyone, either
>> deliberately or accidentally.
>>>>
>>>> We all are expected to slip up, and nothing wrong with
>> admitting our own mistakes.
>>>>
>>>> To the contrary, I consider that a substantial privilege.
>>>>
>>>> I then began to study Christianity in a more informative manner.
>>>>
>>>> What really inspires me to write this message today, is my
>> recent conversation with my friend Poppa Bear, which was
>> prosperously conducted a week ago.
>>>>
>>>> We were both impressed of how respectful and civil our conversation was.
>>>>
>>>> We were generously discussing various subjects.
>>>>
>>>> We felicitously agreed, and we courteously disagreed.
>>>>
>>>> Our conversation was over whilst we both are satisfied, and we
>> look forward to meeting on a regular basis for more intriguing discussions.
>>>>
>>>> But to be critically honest, I must admit that I am taken aback
>> of what I hear from some extremist Evangelists.
>>>>
>>>> Let us take Pastor Jhon Hagee, for instance.
>>>>
>>>> I listened to some of his sermans today.
>>>>
>>>> Trust me, I had a horrible stomachache because of the radical
>> intolerance he developed.
>>>>
>>>> You just could not imagine the gravely hate rhetoric he carried out.
>>>>
>>>> He is the chief director of demonize Islam bandwagon.
>>>>
>>>> I comprehend that my Christian friends may find him an
>> impressive speaker on apologetic level.
>>>>
>>>> But for certain, he does not adhere any level of tolerance towards us.
>>>>
>>>> He finds the spiritual satisfaction in his corrupted
>> apprehension of Christianity.
>>>>
>>>> He is the cofounder of that cult of dispensational Evangelism.
>>>>
>>>> I never understood the concept behind that bedrock of
>> insistently supporting Israel politically, often featured by Pastor
>> Hagee on his public ministries.
>>>>
>>>> Why my Christian friends out there do not consider certain
>> course of actions to significantly eliminate that impact of hate speech?
>>>>
>>>> Here in Egypt, the government banned many Muslim clerics from
>> the public arena because of their hate ideology.
>>>>
>>>> The Brotherhood movement was declared a terrorist organization
>> for imposing violence on civilians and enormously threatening the
>> national security essentials.
>>>>
>>>> Many prominent religious telecasts were deposed for explicitly
>> inciting hatred toward other minorities.
>>>>
>>>> I highly encourage my Christian mates in the States to
>> constantly advocate for religious tolerance and coexistence.
>>>>
>>>> Trust me, nothing comes from religious extremism but hate,
>> denouncing sentiments, verbal violence, and many other elements of
>> growing evil.
>>>>
>>>> Please, consider banning those who are preaching within
>> instigating hate and hostile rhetoric.
>>>>
>>>> I expect many of you to be respectful and sincerely devout Christians.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for reading my message, and have a pleasant time.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so much, peace be with you.
>>>>
>>>> Mostafa.
>>>> _____
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Faith-talk mailing list
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 14:35:09 -0500
> From: "Paul" <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>
> To: <myfriendlyfamily at emissives.com>
> Subject: [Faith-talk] Daily Thought for Tuesday, January 14, 2014
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> Hello and good day once again. I hope that your day is going well.
>
> The following article might be considered long for the majority of you, besides perhaps being a bit theologically complex. Nevertheless I hope that some of you will find this piece interesting. Because of its length I've divided it into two parts. The author of it was Dr. O. Herbert Hirt and its title was "The New Covenant: Its Implications For the Christian life," rendered as follows:
>
> Introduction
>
> Within recent years, evangelical Christians have been very zealous in this country in attempting to get their message of the gospel communicated by or through the media. Last year (2008), evangelicals received substantial media coverage, although it was not under the circumstances they envisioned. But there were opportunities, amid the tragedies that occurred, to explain to the public the essence of the gospel. Amazingly, after 2,000 years of the Church's witness, not only was there a confusion among intelligent people outside of Christendom concerning the relationship between sin and forgiveness and righteous living, but it also seemed that many of the so-called "Christians" were not able to explain or demonstrate it.
>
> Anyone acquainted with the New Testament would recognize that its central message is that forgiveness of sins is now offered through faith in Jesus Christ, based on His death and resurrection. There are still questions in people's minds concerning the relationship of this "forgiveness" to their lives now, either in reference to their continual sin or what is called "good works." This article will explain, through a study of the present significance of the New Covenant to believers, the relationship of sin, forgiveness and righteous living to believers today.
>
> REDEMPTION: THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS
>
> In the last article (which I don't have), the fact was established that the two components of the New Covenant were the forgiveness of sins and the Holy Spirit's indwelling of believers' hearts. Paul, as a minister of the New Covenant, recounted for the Church in Ephesians chapter 1 the "spiritual blessings" they now have in Christ (Eph. 1:3). As the central feature of God's blessing, Paul said: "In whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace, in which He hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence" (Eph 1:7:8).
>
> As stated above, one cannot read the New Testament without recognizing this message of forgiveness. But it was this message of God's grace toward sinners that the religious Jews of Paul's day could not reconcile with their understanding of God's holiness, which they saw in the Old Testament. Some Jewish believers apparently also had trouble reconciling God's holiness and wrath with His love and grace. In the book of Romans, chapters 1-4, Paul sought, through very thorough argumentation, to explain how God could be holy and judge sin and yet forgive sinners.
>
> Before explaining God's salvation, Paul demonstrated God's present wrath against sin (Rom. 1:18-32) and then argued that all men, Jews and Gentiles, are sinners and, hence, are worthy of God's wrath (Rom. 2:1-3:20). He did this to emphasize that anyone can become righteous before God through faith in Christ. But what exactly did God do through Christ's death? Paul said in Romans 3:25 that God publicaly displayed Jesus Christ as a propitiation "through faith in His blood." What does this mean? It is important to recognize that the Greek word translated "propitiation" is _hilasterian, which, in Hebrews 9:5 (and so in the Greek translation of the Old Testament), refers to the "mercy seat" or the lid on the ark of the covenant. Since the glory of God did appear above the ark, this lid could be understood as the seat of God's throne, but the Hebrew word from which it is translated (kapporet) implies more of the idea of "atonement." This is because, on the Day of Atonement (yom kippor Lev. 16), this lid was the place where the blood of the sacrifice was sprinkled to cover the sins of the people. The imagery is that God's holy presence, which was founded on His righteous Law (the tablets were in the ark), required justice, since the people had broken the Law. Blood was sprinkled on the lid over the broken Law which satisfied God's holy judgment so that His presence could remain with His people another year. The term "mercy seat," therefore, means "the place of atonement," and Paul used it in Romans 3:25 to refer to Christ as "a propitiatory sacrifice" or "a sacrifice of atonement."
>
> Paul was saying that Christ's blood was the sacrifice that satisfied God's holy wrath against sin so that those who put their trust in Christ could have forgiveness of sins. Therefore, God can maintain His holiness in that sin was punished in Christ, yet He can righteously forgive those who recognize their sin and come to Him for mercy.
>
> In Romans 3:27-31, Paul went on to explain that this forgiveness is obtained by faith and not by one's ability to achieve righteousness. In other words, only by admitting his absolute helpessness to achieve any righteousness on his own, even by keeping the Law, can a person trust totally in what God has done in Christ for the forgiveness of sins. In Romans 4, Paul illustrated through the examples of Abraham and David that "justification by faith" is not a new idea in God's program of salvation but that anyone who has ever become right with God has done so on the basis of faith in God's Word and His promised forgiveness.
>
> However, the person who believes God's promise of forgiveness in Christ and acts on it still may ask, If all my past sins are forgiven, what about the future? If I still sin, must I ask forgiveness for every sin? What will happen if I stand before God in the judgment and have forgotten to confess something? In Romans 5:1-11, Paul explained the results of being justified by faith, both for our present lives and in the future when we stand before God at the judgment.
>
> In Romans 5:1-2, he said: "Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God."
>
> Paul's point was that, since God has satisfied His wrath in the blood of Christ, believers no longer have to fear God's wrath. Rather, they have "peace with God." Even the believer's present sin does not affect this relationship because the believer now stands in grace. This means that, when a person puts his trust in Jesus as the sole means of his being right with God, all his sin (past, present, and future) is forgiven. Therefore' the believer doesn't have to fear God's wrath of eternal judgment. Paul explained this in Romans 5:9-10: "Much more then, being now justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life."
>
> Some people who heard Paul preach this gospel of forgiveness concluded that, if a person felt that all his sin would always be forgiven, there would be no restraints for sin. A person could sin as much as he wanted and always be forgiven. Therefore, they reasoned, Paul's gospel encouraged sin. Paul responded in Romans 6:8 that, while it is true that the one who puts his trust in Christ can never be separated from Him, the truly regenerated believer will not live a life of sin for two reasons: His heart has been changed, and the Holy Spirit now lives in his heart. The second promise of the New Covenant is that God puts His Law, in the person of the Holy Spirit, permanently into the believer's heart.
>
> And there you have Part One of this article. Hopefully a few of you received some spiritual enrichment from its reading.
>
> Before I close (and I do hope that some of you are still with me), the answer to the Bible book and chapter from Sunday is Isaiah 12.
>
> And now may the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob just keep us safe, individually and collectively, in these last days in which we live. Lord willing, tomorrow will bring the conclusion of this article. Your Christian friend and brother, Paul
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 18:17:39 -0600
> From: Linda Mentink <mentink at frontiernet.net>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An invitation of coexistence.
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> Hi Doris,
>
> I never said that all Muslems are terrorists. I said that they have
> freedom here in America.
>
> Blessings,
>
> linda
>
> At 11:40 AM 1/14/2014, you wrote:
>> Ms. Linda, not every Muslim is a terrorist nor is there a terrorist
>> hiding behind every bush and out to get you. ;-p Mustafa here and
>> Sarah, the lady of his heart, are examples of just that. St. Paul
>> was one of the most passionate or extremist preachers of his day who
>> went way beyond what Jesus himself ever preached yet one of the core
>> messages is that love bears all things and overcomes all things. I
>> hope and pray as we each seek to be closer to God whatever his name
>> is called upon in whatever language . please try to give this a chance.
>>
>>
>> Doris in Lutherland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 08:05 AM 2014/01/14 -0800, you wrote:
>>> Good morning, Mustafa, I understand where you are coming from, but
>>> here in the U.S. We do not have the right to ban people from saying
>>> what is their opinion. (Although it is getting that way if y9ou
>>> are not really liberal in your social views). So our only choice
>>> here is not to watch somebody that we disagree with. I must go now
>>> because it is work time for me. Peace, Debby
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>>> On Jan 13, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Linda Mentink
>>>> <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Mostafa,
>>>>
>>>> We have freedom in this country; thus, no one is banned, not
>>> even Muslem terrorists who are building mosks here in the United States.
>>>>
>>>> Israel should be supported Politically because that is God's
>>> chosen nation, and they are God's chosen people. Oh, that all
>>> Christians would pray for and support the Jews!
>>>>
>>>> If you don't agree with a pastor's stance, you don't have to
>>> listen to him, or learn from him.
>>>>
>>>> Cordially,
>>>>
>>>> Linda
>>>>
>>>> At 10:42 AM 1/13/2014, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all, peace be with you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today, I am sending my post directly to Christian inhabitants
>>> of the United States in particular.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will tell you a little story, and then, I have an initiative,
>>> hopefully it is accepted by most of you, because I am sure that
>>> most of you are respectful Christians.
>>>>>
>>>>> Awhile ago, I met with a Christian guy from Jordan in Saudi Arabia.
>>>>>
>>>>> He was my neighbor where I live in Jeddah.
>>>>>
>>>>> He started to radically assault Saudi Arabia.
>>>>>
>>>>> And then, he proceeded to pose misconceptions about Islam,
>>> using what he hears from some Evangelists on Missionary televisions.
>>>>>
>>>>> In spite of my conversation with him, but it was not decent as
>>> you might expect it to be.
>>>>>
>>>>> He was disgraceful towards Islam, and I too was aggressive in
>>> my undisciplined reactions.
>>>>>
>>>>> We went away, and I never saw him again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Before this heated incident, I was never interested, and I
>>> never paid attention to Christianity.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was a turning point for me to start studying the religion.
>>>>>
>>>>> I started to kick off advanced theological debates with
>>> Christians across the web, and I stumbled with both moderate and
>>> excessive individuals.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, that was kind of pressure some times, and I was
>>> heavily influenced by these heated, and some times hateful debates
>>> to be perfectly fair.
>>>>>
>>>>> I learned a lot from my mistakes at that time, and I developed
>>> a level of defference and empathy toward others.
>>>>>
>>>>> I unfeignedly apologize for offending anyone, either
>>> deliberately or accidentally.
>>>>>
>>>>> We all are expected to slip up, and nothing wrong with
>>> admitting our own mistakes.
>>>>>
>>>>> To the contrary, I consider that a substantial privilege.
>>>>>
>>>>> I then began to study Christianity in a more informative manner.
>>>>>
>>>>> What really inspires me to write this message today, is my
>>> recent conversation with my friend Poppa Bear, which was
>>> prosperously conducted a week ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> We were both impressed of how respectful and civil our conversation was.
>>>>>
>>>>> We were generously discussing various subjects.
>>>>>
>>>>> We felicitously agreed, and we courteously disagreed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our conversation was over whilst we both are satisfied, and we
>>> look forward to meeting on a regular basis for more intriguing discussions.
>>>>>
>>>>> But to be critically honest, I must admit that I am taken aback
>>> of what I hear from some extremist Evangelists.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let us take Pastor Jhon Hagee, for instance.
>>>>>
>>>>> I listened to some of his sermans today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trust me, I had a horrible stomachache because of the radical
>>> intolerance he developed.
>>>>>
>>>>> You just could not imagine the gravely hate rhetoric he carried out.
>>>>>
>>>>> He is the chief director of demonize Islam bandwagon.
>>>>>
>>>>> I comprehend that my Christian friends may find him an
>>> impressive speaker on apologetic level.
>>>>>
>>>>> But for certain, he does not adhere any level of tolerance towards us.
>>>>>
>>>>> He finds the spiritual satisfaction in his corrupted
>>> apprehension of Christianity.
>>>>>
>>>>> He is the cofounder of that cult of dispensational Evangelism.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never understood the concept behind that bedrock of
>>> insistently supporting Israel politically, often featured by
>>> Pastor Hagee on his public ministries.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why my Christian friends out there do not consider certain
>>> course of actions to significantly eliminate that impact of hate speech?
>>>>>
>>>>> Here in Egypt, the government banned many Muslim clerics from
>>> the public arena because of their hate ideology.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Brotherhood movement was declared a terrorist organization
>>> for imposing violence on civilians and enormously threatening the
>>> national security essentials.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many prominent religious telecasts were deposed for explicitly
>>> inciting hatred toward other minorities.
>>>>>
>>>>> I highly encourage my Christian mates in the States to
>>> constantly advocate for religious tolerance and coexistence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trust me, nothing comes from religious extremism but hate,
>>> denouncing sentiments, verbal violence, and many other elements of
>>> growing evil.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please, consider banning those who are preaching within
>>> instigating hate and hostile rhetoric.
>>>>>
>>>>> I expect many of you to be respectful and sincerely devout Christians.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for reading my message, and have a pleasant time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you so much, peace be with you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mostafa.
>>>>> _____
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 00:24:30 -0500
> From: Doris and Chris <chipmunks at gmx.net>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] An invitation of coexistence.
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> Dear Ms. Linda,
>
> That freedom sets the US - "America" to many of us over here - apart
> from other nations. I know that many of the 911 terrorists came from
> Hamburg and other towns in Germany. This is something I personally do
> not understand is how someone who had lived and embraced the Western
> culture could turn against it. I see Mustafa andthe lady of his
> heart and see them living the heritage God intends for all of us:
> fellowship with him.
>
> And I believe in Western democracy when we as the Westerners stand
> and defend with our democracy and values even those who have turned against us.
>
> This is where I think many of us Westerners outside the U.S. differ
> when the U.S. deny accused terrorists even the rights that pow's have
> under international law.
>
> Shalom,
>
> Doris
>
>
>
>
> At 06:17 PM 2014/01/14 -0600, you wrote:
>> Hi Doris,
>>
>> I never said that all Muslems are terrorists. I said that they have
>> freedom here in America.
>>
>> Blessings,
>>
>> linda
>>
>> At 11:40 AM 1/14/2014, you wrote:
>>> Ms. Linda, not every Muslim is a terrorist nor is there a
>>> terrorist hiding behind every bush and out to get you. ;-p Mustafa
>>> here and Sarah, the lady of his heart, are examples of just that.
>>> St. Paul was one of the most passionate or extremist preachers of
>>> his day who went way beyond what Jesus himself ever preached yet
>>> one of the core messages is that love bears all things and
>>> overcomes all things. I hope and pray as we each seek to be closer
>>> to God whatever his name is called upon in whatever language .
>>> please try to give this a chance.
>>>
>>>
>>> Doris in Lutherland
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 08:05 AM 2014/01/14 -0800, you wrote:
>>>> Good morning, Mustafa, I understand where you are coming from, but
>>>> here in the U.S. We do not have the right to ban people from
>>>> saying what is their opinion. (Although it is getting that way if
>>>> y9ou are not really liberal in your social views). So our only
>>>> choice here is not to watch somebody that we disagree with. I
>>>> must go now because it is work time for me. Peace, Debby
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 13, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Linda Mentink
>>>>> <mentink at frontiernet.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mostafa,
>>>>>
>>>>> We have freedom in this country; thus, no one is banned, not
>>>> even Muslem terrorists who are building mosks here in the United States.
>>>>>
>>>>> Israel should be supported Politically because that is God's
>>>> chosen nation, and they are God's chosen people. Oh, that all
>>>> Christians would pray for and support the Jews!
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't agree with a pastor's stance, you don't have to
>>>> listen to him, or learn from him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cordially,
>>>>>
>>>>> Linda
>>>>>
>>>>> At 10:42 AM 1/13/2014, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all, peace be with you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today, I am sending my post directly to Christian inhabitants
>>>> of the United States in particular.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will tell you a little story, and then, I have an
>>>> initiative, hopefully it is accepted by most of you, because I am
>>>> sure that most of you are respectful Christians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Awhile ago, I met with a Christian guy from Jordan in Saudi Arabia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He was my neighbor where I live in Jeddah.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He started to radically assault Saudi Arabia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And then, he proceeded to pose misconceptions about Islam,
>>>> using what he hears from some Evangelists on Missionary televisions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In spite of my conversation with him, but it was not decent as
>>>> you might expect it to be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He was disgraceful towards Islam, and I too was aggressive in
>>>> my undisciplined reactions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We went away, and I never saw him again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before this heated incident, I was never interested, and I
>>>> never paid attention to Christianity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was a turning point for me to start studying the religion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I started to kick off advanced theological debates with
>>>> Christians across the web, and I stumbled with both moderate and
>>>> excessive individuals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, that was kind of pressure some times, and I was
>>>> heavily influenced by these heated, and some times hateful
>>>> debates to be perfectly fair.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I learned a lot from my mistakes at that time, and I developed
>>>> a level of defference and empathy toward others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I unfeignedly apologize for offending anyone, either
>>>> deliberately or accidentally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We all are expected to slip up, and nothing wrong with
>>>> admitting our own mistakes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To the contrary, I consider that a substantial privilege.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I then began to study Christianity in a more informative manner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What really inspires me to write this message today, is my
>>>> recent conversation with my friend Poppa Bear, which was
>>>> prosperously conducted a week ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We were both impressed of how respectful and civil our conversation was.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We were generously discussing various subjects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We felicitously agreed, and we courteously disagreed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our conversation was over whilst we both are satisfied, and
>>>> we look forward to meeting on a regular basis for more intriguing discussions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But to be critically honest, I must admit that I am taken
>>>> aback of what I hear from some extremist Evangelists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let us take Pastor Jhon Hagee, for instance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I listened to some of his sermans today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trust me, I had a horrible stomachache because of the radical
>>>> intolerance he developed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You just could not imagine the gravely hate rhetoric he carried out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He is the chief director of demonize Islam bandwagon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I comprehend that my Christian friends may find him an
>>>> impressive speaker on apologetic level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But for certain, he does not adhere any level of tolerance towards us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He finds the spiritual satisfaction in his corrupted
>>>> apprehension of Christianity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He is the cofounder of that cult of dispensational Evangelism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I never understood the concept behind that bedrock of
>>>> insistently supporting Israel politically, often featured by
>>>> Pastor Hagee on his public ministries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why my Christian friends out there do not consider certain
>>>> course of actions to significantly eliminate that impact of hate speech?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here in Egypt, the government banned many Muslim clerics
>>>> from the public arena because of their hate ideology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Brotherhood movement was declared a terrorist organization
>>>> for imposing violence on civilians and enormously threatening the
>>>> national security essentials.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many prominent religious telecasts were deposed for explicitly
>>>> inciting hatred toward other minorities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I highly encourage my Christian mates in the States to
>>>> constantly advocate for religious tolerance and coexistence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trust me, nothing comes from religious extremism but hate,
>>>> denouncing sentiments, verbal violence, and many other elements
>>>> of growing evil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please, consider banning those who are preaching within
>>>> instigating hate and hostile rhetoric.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I expect many of you to be respectful and sincerely devout Christians.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for reading my message, and have a pleasant time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you so much, peace be with you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mostafa.
>>>>>> _____
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