[Faith-talk] Translation in Theology.

Thu Jul 17 14:54:08 UTC 2014

I just wish he was band from this list, due to the fact that none of his 
posts have nothing to do with blindness issues. Their have been muslams on 
this list, who've been civil, and not offensive. I myself have a lot of 
muslam friends, and they do not waste their time bashing Christianity  nor 
the bible. gad! Dr. RJ Sandefur
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Poppa Bear via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
To: "'Mostafa Almahdy'" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>; "'Faith-talk,for the 
discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Translation in Theology.


> Hello Mustafa, again we have this problem of seeking to dismiss the Bible
> from another offensive position, it is sad to a certain degree that you
> spend so much time on the Bible, because if it is false, then you could 
> just
> relegate it to the other false religions around the world and perhaps stop
> wasting so much  of your time attempting to discredit it. Perhaps you 
> aren't
> convinced yourself so you need to keep building arguments against the 
> Bible
> to keep your own belief system. Now to your so called argument, look, I 
> will
> try to give you a simplified answer, modern languages, science, medicine,
> mechanics, philosophies, geography, Astronomy, botany and on and on have
> been built on the tests, theories, facts of ancient documents and they 
> have
> built upon one another from generation and so called language gaps have 
> been
> filled adequate enough to give us everything we can conceive of from
> aeronautics, biology, printing, computing and more, it is all built upon 
> the
> writings and languages that your attempting to say we can't interpret due 
> to
> poor translations and lack of trustworthy scholars, come on Mustafa, this
> may satisfy your logic, but not mine.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Mostafa
> Almahdy via Faith-talk
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:18 PM
> To: RJ Sandefur
> Cc: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Translation in Theology.
>
> Well, I believe that your professorship makes you adequate to answer my
> nonsense.
>
> The Koran language is still here, and there are disciplines to study the
> integrity of those who passed it down generation upon generation.
>
> I basically asked   who possess the Bible in English today, can they
> present something  discernible to verify the validity of what they have?
>
> Thanks professor for your answer, and thanks for your courtesy, I am
> impressively convinced.
>
> Cordially, Mostafa Almahdy.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7/17/14, RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why do you post this nonsense? First, know one has to answer to the
>> realibility of the bible, it's authers, or anything. People believe it
>> because they choose to believe it. We could  make the same arguments
>> concerning the quran. Second, I personally tdo not understand how any
>> of your questions are related to blindness issues as far as faith is
> concerned.
>>
>> Third, the questions as to the historistity of the new testament is
>> erlevent
>>
>> to this list.  Dr. RJ Sandefur
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mostafa via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 4:55 PM
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Translation in Theology.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Dear all, peace be with you.
>>>
>>> Today I would like to critically reexamine a subject that I have
>>> previously brought to discussion.
>>>
>>>  It is translation and how it significantly effects the global
>>> discernment
>>>
>>> of theology.
>>>
>>>   I believe we have discussed this before.
>>>
>>> I previously posed a basic contention, and I so far have not received
>>> convincing responses.
>>>
>>> I will therefore rephrase my contention onto four major factors, and
>>> I hope that someone would voluntarily deputize to thoroughly scrutinize.
>>>
>>> 1; * Theology is essentially based on authentically attested
>>> narratives, so how can translated texts affirm to that proposition?
>>>
>>> 2; * It is immensely improbable to accurately verify the textual
>>> authenticity of a translated theological reference if it originally
>>> comes
>>>
>>> from either ancient or dead languages.
>>>
>>> 3; * I demonstratively decline the scenario which allegedly
>>> presupposes reliability of disingenuous scribes or translators.
>>>
>>>  Those people have not been properly examined as whether they are
>>> trusted
>>>
>>> and entirely reliable.
>>>
>>> Their translations are potentially surmised to  massive illegibility.
>>>
>>>  They exhaustingly differ with each other, as the translation
>>> pursuits to
>>>
>>> satisfy the contemporary class, so it is rewritten in vernacular
>>> terms as
>>>
>>> to basically appeal modern readers.
>>>
>>>  4; * English language has abundantly recalculated  Ancient Greek and
>>> Hebrew terms, so they can appositely accommodate western modern
>>> philosophy.
>>>
>>>   Does that effect the discernment of theology in the twenty first
>>> century?
>>>
>>>        I believe that I have to further illustrate on the latter.
>>>
>>> For anyone to derive, analyze or interpret the Noble Koran, he is to
>>> requisitely master the disciplines of Arabic Grammar, Morphology and
>>> Rhetoric.
>>>
>>>  These are cardinally indispensable  characteristics and inevitably
>>> obtained skills for anyone interested to pursue in the field of
>>> Koranic Theology.
>>>
>>> Now, I want to greatly apprehend about what majors someone demands to
>>> attain in order to interpret either the Torah or the Gospel?
>>>
>>> I am afraid, but I would much prefer to call them the Torah and the
>>> Gospel
>>>
>>> rather than the Old and the New testament.
>>>
>>> The testament of Allah is eternally static, what is abrogated and
>>> altered
>>>
>>> is the divine jurisprudence.
>>>
>>> Jurist verdicts are expected to alter and abrogate to suit various
>>> circumstances  that are pertained to different ages and human 
>>> conditions.
>>>
>>>       Well in addition to current English translations of the Torah
>>> and the Gospel, we are uncertain of whether those who translated them
>>> from Ancient Greek and Hebrew to Latin and then into English, were
>>> they competent, trustworthy, attentive and accurate?
>>>
>>> I actually cannot speak for them, nor anyone who respects our
>>> intellects can surely verify  their total reliability.
>>>
>>> How many Pastor  masters either Ancient Greek or Hebrew as he masters
>>> English?
>>>
>>> All Imams master the Koranic recitation in its eloquent Arabic, and
>>> they can easily compare English translations to that original based 
>>> text.
>>>
>>> That way, they can easily affirm or negate its formation.
>>>
>>> I am calling to vivid reconsideration and constant meditation to what
>>> people tend to adhere.
>>>
>>> Cordially, Mostafa Almahdy.
>>>
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>>
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