[Faith-talk] Bible poem quiz
Paul
oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
Mon Jul 21 22:03:40 UTC 2014
Yes, Donna, it was Luke 24. Paul
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Subject: [Faith-talk] Bible poem quiz
> Paul, is it Luke 24? Donna
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>> 1. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>> totheZionistsubjection. (debby phillips)
>> 2. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>> totheZionistsubjection. (Ashley Bramlett)
>> 3. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the Zionist
>> subjection. (Poppa Bear)
>> 4. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation to theZionist
>> subjection. (RJ Sandefur)
>> 5. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>> totheZionistsubjection. (Sheila Leigland)
>> 6. Looking for: Ron Burzese (Doris &Hubby Chris)
>> 7. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation to theZionist
>> subjection. (Brandon A. Olivares)
>> 8. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation to theZionist
>> subjection. (Devin Prater)
>> 9. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation totheZionist
>> subjection. (Paul)
>> 10. Weekly Bible Trivia Game for Sunday, July 20, 2014 (Paul)
>> 11. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>> totheZionistsubjection. (Kendra. Schaber)
>> 12. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>> totheZionistsubjection. (justin williams)
>> 13. true translations (Devin Prater)
>> 14. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation totheZionist
>> subjection. (Brandon A. Olivares)
>> 15. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>> totheZionistsubjection. (Brandon A. Olivares)
>> 16. Re: true translations (Poppa Bear)
>> 17. Re: true translations (Paul)
>> 18. Re: Weekly Bible Trivia Game for Sunday, July 20, 2014
>> (Sheila Leigland)
>> 19. Re: true translations (Kendra. Schaber)
>> 20. Re: true translations (Poppa Bear)
>> 21. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>> totheZionistsubjection. (Kendra. Schaber)
>> 22. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the Zionist
>> subjection. (Doris &Hubby Chris)
>> 23. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the Zionist
>> subjection. (Mostafa Almahdy)
>> 24. bill keller devotional for july 20 (Andrew)
>> 25. Re: bill keller devotional for july 20 (Poppa Bear)
>> 26. Looking at Christian persecution (Poppa Bear)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:36:42 -0400
>> From: debby phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>
>> To: Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>, "Faith-talk, for the
>> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>,
>> joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com, faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>> totheZionistsubjection.
>> Message-ID: <53cbd408.0b0de00a.43b5.7298 at mx.google.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Hey Ashley, I think your topic is right on. How does blindness
>> affect our faith? And how does blindness affect how we deal with
>> others of differing religions? Now, that may sound strange, so
>> read me out. First of all, I'll deal with my second question.
>> There are various cultures and faiths that view blindness very
>> negatively. How do people overcome those obstacles? As a dog
>> user how do I deal with a cab driver who refuses to allow my dog
>> in his cab because he is Muslim and believes that dogs are
>> unclean? how do we deal with issues that affect our rights and
>> someone's freedom of religion? For instance, if a law requires
>> that I do something that I find reprehensible because of my
>> faith, how do I deal with that?
>>
>> Then my first question, how does blindness affect my faith? Well,
>> in one way it does not. What I believe is in my heart, and I try
>> to live out my faith every day, showing the love of Jesus to
>> others. And I want to be of service to others. But what happens
>> when people say, You can't do this or that because of your
>> blindness. As a Catholic, I wanted to enter a particular
>> community of nuns. (This was years ago and now I am married).
>> But they did not want to have "anyone with handicaps" in their
>> community. Good luck with that, when members get older and have
>> disabilities. Churches in the United States are not required to
>> follow the rules of the ADA. So what recourse does a person
>> have? These are topics that I think are blindness-related, and
>> certainly NFB related. Thanks for reading. Blessings,
>> Debby
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:26:08 -0400
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "for the discussion of faith and religion Faith-talk"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>> totheZionistsubjection.
>> Message-ID: <0450925FCF30437E8563DB17073C1C09 at OwnerPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> Debby,
>> all good points. We follow and adopt beliefs and its in our heart. But, I
>> think blindness and low vision do affect our ability to live out our
>> faith
>> and practice it.
>>
>> While places of worship don't have to follow the ADA, I've seen little
>> conflict around here and many in our local nfb chapters attend churches
>> of
>> various denominations on a regular basis.
>>
>> I'll try and find a good subject line and question for this later.
>> I'm really not interested in Mostafa's latest comments denegrading the
>> bible.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: debby phillips
>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 10:36 AM
>> To: Ashley Bramlett ; Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion
>> ;
>> joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com ; faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>> totheZionistsubjection.
>>
>> Hey Ashley, I think your topic is right on. How does blindness
>> affect our faith? And how does blindness affect how we deal with
>> others of differing religions? Now, that may sound strange, so
>> read me out. First of all, I'll deal with my second question.
>> There are various cultures and faiths that view blindness very
>> negatively. How do people overcome those obstacles? As a dog
>> user how do I deal with a cab driver who refuses to allow my dog
>> in his cab because he is Muslim and believes that dogs are
>> unclean? how do we deal with issues that affect our rights and
>> someone's freedom of religion? For instance, if a law requires
>> that I do something that I find reprehensible because of my
>> faith, how do I deal with that?
>>
>> Then my first question, how does blindness affect my faith? Well,
>> in one way it does not. What I believe is in my heart, and I try
>> to live out my faith every day, showing the love of Jesus to
>> others. And I want to be of service to others. But what happens
>> when people say, You can't do this or that because of your
>> blindness. As a Catholic, I wanted to enter a particular
>> community of nuns. (This was years ago and now I am married).
>> But they did not want to have "anyone with handicaps" in their
>> community. Good luck with that, when members get older and have
>> disabilities. Churches in the United States are not required to
>> follow the rules of the ADA. So what recourse does a person
>> have? These are topics that I think are blindness-related, and
>> certainly NFB related. Thanks for reading. Blessings,
>> Debby
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 09:57:42 -0800
>> From: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Mostafa'" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>, "'Faith-talk, for the
>> discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the
>> Zionist subjection.
>> Message-ID: <00cb01cfa444$1b688600$52399200$@com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hello Mustafa, I was talking about the ability to gather accurately the
>> transmitted data from cultures throughout history in any field of study
>> related to a written text, that truth is still a reality regardless of
>> whether or not you like to pick and choose the best words of elocution to
>> try and prove your points. This was called sophistry in ancient days and
>> I
>> think you have acquired a formidable ability to execute it in your
>> arguments. You do indeed dismiss anything that does not fit your argument
>> even if it is valid, you will still take an arbitrary direction and
>> avoid
>> the points of any person who responds to you. You keep fighting against
>> the
>> Bible and making your various arguments, but I know that the living God
>> is
>> able to defend his word just fine.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Mostafa
>> via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
>> To: oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the
>> Zionist
>> subjection.
>>
>>
>> Greetings.
>>
>> It was immediately after my post that I have got ranging responses, from
>> considering my scrutiny irrelevant to inconsistently comparing sacred
>> translations with the constant transmission of terrestrial disciplines
>> such
>> as Astronomy, Ecology, Mathematics, and other related scientific
>> branches.
>>
>> The one who incorrectly posed this inconsistent analogy should have known
>> that physical science is the study of the physical and natural world
>> using
>> theoretical models and data from experiments or observation.
>>
>> But sacred text is not based on that.
>>
>> Sacred text is based on divine legitimacy and reliability.
>>
>> Furthermore, physical science is temporal, and it constantly evolves as
>> new
>> discovery and scientific developments unfold.
>>
>> Whilst in addition, sacred text is unaltered, it is not edited, motified,
>> nor even recontextualized.
>>
>> I reserve the right to criticize any form of belief, as long as I am
>> devoting my arguments to enlightening propositions, and that does not
>> mean I
>> am doubtful of my faith, it is basically preposterous for someone to
>> think
>> so.
>>
>> Well, someone is certainly pitiful enough to delude himself with such
>> miserably absurd illusions.
>>
>> Now, we are back again to verbally defy the plain obstinacy of
>> guarding aggression and transgression.
>>
>> The Constitution of the United States is the most honorable constitution
>> in
>> the world.
>>
>> It strictly prohibits ethnic cleansing, mass murder, suppression,
>> subjection
>> and military strikes on civil targets.
>>
>> I am not flattering Americans though, I am basically uttering the truth.
>>
>> I distinctly honor and respect the humanrights principles which the U.S
>> Constitution strongly affirms and it is based on that.
>>
>> The U.S constitution recognizes people equal before the supreme law, and
>> it
>> does not opt anyone on either racial, ethnic or religious superiority
>> complex.
>>
>> Well unfortunately, there are some minors who considers themselves
>> cr?me
>> de la cr?me, they consider themselves eminent, even beyond the
>> constitutional principles, and they think that an insect in New York is
>> worthful than a human being in Gaza.
>>
>> Those who devote themselves to such abominable attitude are not humans,
>> although they look like humans, but they think and act like devilish
>> species.
>>
>> They viciously belong to mephistophelean species because of their
>> radical
>> arrogance and cruelty.
>>
>> I emphasize again as I have done many times before, Original sin in Islam
>> is
>> not reprobating Adam and Eve for eating from the forbidden tree, it is
>> rather acting in pride and arrogance.
>>
>> This is the resentment of Lucifer who is the chief adversary of
>> cynicism.
>>
>> He is demonized to eternal damnation because of his radical arrogance and
>> bigotry.
>>
>> Pro Israel supporters and their allies consider themselves the highest
>> of
>> high, the chosen people, the children of God, and therefore, anyone who
>> opposes them is not a human, and he is worth it for a shoot.
>>
>> We will never bow down to their oppressive authority, defiance should
>> persist, and we ultimately shall prevail.
>>
>> I will make sure to pass my defying sentiment to a broader scale, so we
>> will
>> uninterruptedly pressure on Israel and its pro allies on international
>> scope, until we force them to decease using the force to bow Palestinians
>> down.
>>
>> As President Anwar el-Sadat said;
>>
>> ?What was taken by force is never regained by rather than force?.
>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:13:45 -0400
>> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>> To: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for the
>> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to
>> theZionist subjection.
>> Message-ID: <B7B270C0B23D49059123806B64349102 at robert9999b7cf>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Thank you Poppa Bare for that point! He tries to make himself sound
>> educated, when in reality, he knows nothing concerning the Christianity
>> faith, rather only what he's been taught, and futhermore, these so-called
>> arguments have been disproven time and time again. It is just laughible!
>> The
>> dead sea scroles prove that the bible we have today is what the bible
>> claimes to be, the word of God! I found a really good websight.
>> www.answeringislam.com
>> Do research before you try debating someone with a doctorate degree.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Poppa Bear via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "'Mostafa'" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>; "'Faith-talk,for the
>> discussion
>> of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 1:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to
>> theZionist subjection.
>>
>>
>> Hello Mustafa, I was talking about the ability to gather accurately the
>> transmitted data from cultures throughout history in any field of study
>> related to a written text, that truth is still a reality regardless of
>> whether or not you like to pick and choose the best words of elocution to
>> try and prove your points. This was called sophistry in ancient days and
>> I
>> think you have acquired a formidable ability to execute it in your
>> arguments. You do indeed dismiss anything that does not fit your argument
>> even if it is valid, you will still take an arbitrary direction and
>> avoid
>> the points of any person who responds to you. You keep fighting against
>> the
>> Bible and making your various arguments, but I know that the living God
>> is
>> able to defend his word just fine.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Mostafa
>> via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
>> To: oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the
>> Zionist
>> subjection.
>>
>>
>> Greetings.
>>
>> It was immediately after my post that I have got ranging responses, from
>> considering my scrutiny irrelevant to inconsistently comparing sacred
>> translations with the constant transmission of terrestrial disciplines
>> such
>> as Astronomy, Ecology, Mathematics, and other related scientific
>> branches.
>>
>> The one who incorrectly posed this inconsistent analogy should have known
>> that physical science is the study of the physical and natural world
>> using
>> theoretical models and data from experiments or observation.
>>
>> But sacred text is not based on that.
>>
>> Sacred text is based on divine legitimacy and reliability.
>>
>> Furthermore, physical science is temporal, and it constantly evolves as
>> new
>> discovery and scientific developments unfold.
>>
>> Whilst in addition, sacred text is unaltered, it is not edited, motified,
>> nor even recontextualized.
>>
>> I reserve the right to criticize any form of belief, as long as I am
>> devoting my arguments to enlightening propositions, and that does not
>> mean I
>> am doubtful of my faith, it is basically preposterous for someone to
>> think
>> so.
>>
>> Well, someone is certainly pitiful enough to delude himself with such
>> miserably absurd illusions.
>>
>> Now, we are back again to verbally defy the plain obstinacy of
>> guarding aggression and transgression.
>>
>> The Constitution of the United States is the most honorable constitution
>> in
>> the world.
>>
>> It strictly prohibits ethnic cleansing, mass murder, suppression,
>> subjection
>> and military strikes on civil targets.
>>
>> I am not flattering Americans though, I am basically uttering the truth.
>>
>> I distinctly honor and respect the humanrights principles which the U.S
>> Constitution strongly affirms and it is based on that.
>>
>> The U.S constitution recognizes people equal before the supreme law, and
>> it
>> does not opt anyone on either racial, ethnic or religious superiority
>> complex.
>>
>> Well unfortunately, there are some minors who considers themselves
>> cr?me
>> de la cr?me, they consider themselves eminent, even beyond the
>> constitutional principles, and they think that an insect in New York is
>> worthful than a human being in Gaza.
>>
>> Those who devote themselves to such abominable attitude are not humans,
>> although they look like humans, but they think and act like devilish
>> species.
>>
>> They viciously belong to mephistophelean species because of their
>> radical
>> arrogance and cruelty.
>>
>> I emphasize again as I have done many times before, Original sin in Islam
>> is
>> not reprobating Adam and Eve for eating from the forbidden tree, it is
>> rather acting in pride and arrogance.
>>
>> This is the resentment of Lucifer who is the chief adversary of
>> cynicism.
>>
>> He is demonized to eternal damnation because of his radical arrogance and
>> bigotry.
>>
>> Pro Israel supporters and their allies consider themselves the highest
>> of
>> high, the chosen people, the children of God, and therefore, anyone who
>> opposes them is not a human, and he is worth it for a shoot.
>>
>> We will never bow down to their oppressive authority, defiance should
>> persist, and we ultimately shall prevail.
>>
>> I will make sure to pass my defying sentiment to a broader scale, so we
>> will
>> uninterruptedly pressure on Israel and its pro allies on international
>> scope, until we force them to decease using the force to bow Palestinians
>> down.
>>
>> As President Anwar el-Sadat said;
>>
>> "What was taken by force is never regained by rather than force".
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Faith-talk mailing list
>> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 12:19:16 -0600
>> From: Sheila Leigland <sheila.leigland at gmail.com>
>> To: debby phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for the
>> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>> totheZionistsubjection.
>> Message-ID: <53CC0824.1010709 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> I agree that these are valid questions and I'm willing to bet that many
>> of us have run up against this stuff in regard to our faith. I dnow that
>> the church isn't subject to the ada so I'm letting people know that I
>> told the pastor of our church that we wouldn't attend or become members
>> if discrimination was going to exist. We were up front with this subject
>> right away. Our dogs have been welcomed and we are encouraged to
>> participate in whatever ways that we choose. Our pastor agrees that we
>> are the ones to decide if we need accomidations of some kind or not. It
>> has been a really nice change.
>>> On 7/20/2014 8:36 AM, debby phillips via Faith-talk wrote:
>>> Hey Ashley, I think your topic is right on. How does blindness affect
>>> our faith? And how does blindness affect how we deal with others of
>>> differing religions? Now, that may sound strange, so read me out.
>>> First of all, I'll deal with my second question. There are various
>>> cultures and faiths that view blindness very negatively. How do
>>> people overcome those obstacles? As a dog user how do I deal with a
>>> cab driver who refuses to allow my dog in his cab because he is Muslim
>>> and believes that dogs are unclean? how do we deal with issues that
>>> affect our rights and someone's freedom of religion? For instance, if
>>> a law requires that I do something that I find reprehensible because
>>> of my faith, how do I deal with that?
>>>
>>> Then my first question, how does blindness affect my faith? Well, in
>>> one way it does not. What I believe is in my heart, and I try to live
>>> out my faith every day, showing the love of Jesus to others. And I
>>> want to be of service to others. But what happens when people say,
>>> You can't do this or that because of your blindness. As a Catholic, I
>>> wanted to enter a particular community of nuns. (This was years ago
>>> and now I am married). But they did not want to have "anyone with
>>> handicaps" in their community. Good luck with that, when members get
>>> older and have disabilities. Churches in the United States are not
>>> required to follow the rules of the ADA. So what recourse does a
>>> person have? These are topics that I think are blindness-related, and
>>> certainly NFB related. Thanks for reading. Blessings, Debby
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Faith-talk mailing list
>>> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> Faith-talk:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/faith-talk_nfbnet.org/sheila.leigland%40gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:22:35 -0400
>> From: Doris &Hubby Chris <chipmunks at gmx.net>
>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Looking for: Ron Burzese
>> Message-ID: <0MZgdm-1WoeFK2W3a-00LWvJ at mail.gmx.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi, I lost contact information for our friend Ron Burzese along with
>> my address book in a recent hd crash.
>>
>> we have been friends with Ron since 1998 when we met him at blind
>> inc. in MN. Ron is known as a biking enthusiast and is a brother in
>> Christ.
>>
>> Does anyone have his email addy or other contact infoormation, please?
>>
>> Doris in Lutherland
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:30:25 -0400
>> From: "Brandon A. Olivares" <programmer2188 at gmail.com>
>> To: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for the
>> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to
>> theZionist subjection.
>> Message-ID: <6CAD0588-ABB8-498F-BAA2-DA6A284815FE at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> It?s funny you bring up the dead sea scrolls. Because though they include
>> older manuscripts of the gospels, they also include the gnostic texts,
>> which quite contradict traditional Christian doctrine. So I do not think
>> they prove your point.
>>
>> Peace,
>> Brandon
>>
>> Escape The Dream: Put An End To Suffering And Return To Joy
>>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 2:13 PM, RJ Sandefur via Faith-talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Poppa Bare for that point! He tries to make himself sound
>>> educated, when in reality, he knows nothing concerning the Christianity
>>> faith, rather only what he's been taught, and futhermore, these
>>> so-called arguments have been disproven time and time again. It is just
>>> laughible! The dead sea scroles prove that the bible we have today is
>>> what the bible claimes to be, the word of God! I found a really good
>>> websight.
>>> www.answeringislam.com
>>> Do research before you try debating someone with a doctorate degree.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Poppa Bear via Faith-talk"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "'Mostafa'" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>; "'Faith-talk,for the
>>> discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 1:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to
>>> theZionist subjection.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Mustafa, I was talking about the ability to gather accurately the
>>> transmitted data from cultures throughout history in any field of study
>>> related to a written text, that truth is still a reality regardless of
>>> whether or not you like to pick and choose the best words of elocution
>>> to
>>> try and prove your points. This was called sophistry in ancient days and
>>> I
>>> think you have acquired a formidable ability to execute it in your
>>> arguments. You do indeed dismiss anything that does not fit your
>>> argument
>>> even if it is valid, you will still take an arbitrary direction and
>>> avoid
>>> the points of any person who responds to you. You keep fighting against
>>> the
>>> Bible and making your various arguments, but I know that the living God
>>> is
>>> able to defend his word just fine.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Mostafa
>>> via Faith-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
>>> To: oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the
>>> Zionist
>>> subjection.
>>>
>>>
>>> Greetings.
>>>
>>> It was immediately after my post that I have got ranging responses, from
>>> considering my scrutiny irrelevant to inconsistently comparing sacred
>>> translations with the constant transmission of terrestrial disciplines
>>> such
>>> as Astronomy, Ecology, Mathematics, and other related scientific
>>> branches.
>>>
>>> The one who incorrectly posed this inconsistent analogy should have
>>> known
>>> that physical science is the study of the physical and natural world
>>> using
>>> theoretical models and data from experiments or observation.
>>>
>>> But sacred text is not based on that.
>>>
>>> Sacred text is based on divine legitimacy and reliability.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, physical science is temporal, and it constantly evolves as
>>> new
>>> discovery and scientific developments unfold.
>>>
>>> Whilst in addition, sacred text is unaltered, it is not edited,
>>> motified,
>>> nor even recontextualized.
>>>
>>> I reserve the right to criticize any form of belief, as long as I am
>>> devoting my arguments to enlightening propositions, and that does not
>>> mean I
>>> am doubtful of my faith, it is basically preposterous for someone to
>>> think
>>> so.
>>>
>>> Well, someone is certainly pitiful enough to delude himself with such
>>> miserably absurd illusions.
>>>
>>> Now, we are back again to verbally defy the plain obstinacy of
>>> guarding aggression and transgression.
>>>
>>> The Constitution of the United States is the most honorable constitution
>>> in
>>> the world.
>>>
>>> It strictly prohibits ethnic cleansing, mass murder, suppression,
>>> subjection
>>> and military strikes on civil targets.
>>>
>>> I am not flattering Americans though, I am basically uttering the truth.
>>>
>>> I distinctly honor and respect the humanrights principles which the U.S
>>> Constitution strongly affirms and it is based on that.
>>>
>>> The U.S constitution recognizes people equal before the supreme law, and
>>> it
>>> does not opt anyone on either racial, ethnic or religious superiority
>>> complex.
>>>
>>> Well unfortunately, there are some minors who considers themselves cr?me
>>> de la cr?me, they consider themselves eminent, even beyond the
>>> constitutional principles, and they think that an insect in New York is
>>> worthful than a human being in Gaza.
>>>
>>> Those who devote themselves to such abominable attitude are not humans,
>>> although they look like humans, but they think and act like devilish
>>> species.
>>>
>>> They viciously belong to mephistophelean species because of their
>>> radical
>>> arrogance and cruelty.
>>>
>>> I emphasize again as I have done many times before, Original sin in
>>> Islam is
>>> not reprobating Adam and Eve for eating from the forbidden tree, it is
>>> rather acting in pride and arrogance.
>>>
>>> This is the resentment of Lucifer who is the chief adversary of
>>> cynicism.
>>>
>>> He is demonized to eternal damnation because of his radical arrogance
>>> and
>>> bigotry.
>>>
>>> Pro Israel supporters and their allies consider themselves the highest
>>> of
>>> high, the chosen people, the children of God, and therefore, anyone who
>>> opposes them is not a human, and he is worth it for a shoot.
>>>
>>> We will never bow down to their oppressive authority, defiance should
>>> persist, and we ultimately shall prevail.
>>>
>>> I will make sure to pass my defying sentiment to a broader scale, so we
>>> will
>>> uninterruptedly pressure on Israel and its pro allies on international
>>> scope, until we force them to decease using the force to bow
>>> Palestinians
>>> down.
>>>
>>> As President Anwar el-Sadat said;
>>>
>>> "What was taken by force is never regained by rather than force".
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Faith-talk mailing list
>>> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
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>>> .com
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:46:19 -0400
>> From: Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater at gmail.com>
>> To: "Brandon A. Olivares" <programmer2188 at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for
>> the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>, RJ
>> Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to
>> theZionist subjection.
>> Message-ID: <53CC0E7B.3020903 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>
>> Yes. As one who has looked into the gnostic stuff, I do believe that
>> what we have is good enough. Sure, some may think that older is better,
>> but not always.
>>> On 7/20/2014 2:30 PM, Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk wrote:
>>> It?s funny you bring up the dead sea scrolls. Because though they
>>> include older manuscripts of the gospels, they also include the gnostic
>>> texts, which quite contradict traditional Christian doctrine. So I do
>>> not think they prove your point.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>> Brandon
>>>
>>> Escape The Dream: Put An End To Suffering And Return To Joy
>>>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 2:13 PM, RJ Sandefur via Faith-talk
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Poppa Bare for that point! He tries to make himself sound
>>>> educated, when in reality, he knows nothing concerning the Christianity
>>>> faith, rather only what he's been taught, and futhermore, these
>>>> so-called arguments have been disproven time and time again. It is just
>>>> laughible! The dead sea scroles prove that the bible we have today is
>>>> what the bible claimes to be, the word of God! I found a really good
>>>> websight.
>>>> www.answeringislam.com
>>>> Do research before you try debating someone with a doctorate degree.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Poppa Bear via Faith-talk"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: "'Mostafa'" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>; "'Faith-talk,for the
>>>> discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 1:57 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to
>>>> theZionist subjection.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Mustafa, I was talking about the ability to gather accurately the
>>>> transmitted data from cultures throughout history in any field of study
>>>> related to a written text, that truth is still a reality regardless of
>>>> whether or not you like to pick and choose the best words of elocution
>>>> to
>>>> try and prove your points. This was called sophistry in ancient days
>>>> and I
>>>> think you have acquired a formidable ability to execute it in your
>>>> arguments. You do indeed dismiss anything that does not fit your
>>>> argument
>>>> even if it is valid, you will still take an arbitrary direction and
>>>> avoid
>>>> the points of any person who responds to you. You keep fighting against
>>>> the
>>>> Bible and making your various arguments, but I know that the living God
>>>> is
>>>> able to defend his word just fine.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Mostafa
>>>> via Faith-talk
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
>>>> To: oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the
>>>> Zionist
>>>> subjection.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greetings.
>>>>
>>>> It was immediately after my post that I have got ranging responses,
>>>> from
>>>> considering my scrutiny irrelevant to inconsistently comparing sacred
>>>> translations with the constant transmission of terrestrial disciplines
>>>> such
>>>> as Astronomy, Ecology, Mathematics, and other related scientific
>>>> branches.
>>>>
>>>> The one who incorrectly posed this inconsistent analogy should have
>>>> known
>>>> that physical science is the study of the physical and natural world
>>>> using
>>>> theoretical models and data from experiments or observation.
>>>>
>>>> But sacred text is not based on that.
>>>>
>>>> Sacred text is based on divine legitimacy and reliability.
>>>>
>>>> Furthermore, physical science is temporal, and it constantly evolves as
>>>> new
>>>> discovery and scientific developments unfold.
>>>>
>>>> Whilst in addition, sacred text is unaltered, it is not edited,
>>>> motified,
>>>> nor even recontextualized.
>>>>
>>>> I reserve the right to criticize any form of belief, as long as I am
>>>> devoting my arguments to enlightening propositions, and that does not
>>>> mean I
>>>> am doubtful of my faith, it is basically preposterous for someone to
>>>> think
>>>> so.
>>>>
>>>> Well, someone is certainly pitiful enough to delude himself with such
>>>> miserably absurd illusions.
>>>>
>>>> Now, we are back again to verbally defy the plain obstinacy of
>>>> guarding aggression and transgression.
>>>>
>>>> The Constitution of the United States is the most honorable
>>>> constitution in
>>>> the world.
>>>>
>>>> It strictly prohibits ethnic cleansing, mass murder, suppression,
>>>> subjection
>>>> and military strikes on civil targets.
>>>>
>>>> I am not flattering Americans though, I am basically uttering the
>>>> truth.
>>>>
>>>> I distinctly honor and respect the humanrights principles which the U.S
>>>> Constitution strongly affirms and it is based on that.
>>>>
>>>> The U.S constitution recognizes people equal before the supreme law,
>>>> and it
>>>> does not opt anyone on either racial, ethnic or religious superiority
>>>> complex.
>>>>
>>>> Well unfortunately, there are some minors who considers themselves
>>>> cr?me
>>>> de la cr?me, they consider themselves eminent, even beyond the
>>>> constitutional principles, and they think that an insect in New York is
>>>> worthful than a human being in Gaza.
>>>>
>>>> Those who devote themselves to such abominable attitude are not humans,
>>>> although they look like humans, but they think and act like devilish
>>>> species.
>>>>
>>>> They viciously belong to mephistophelean species because of their
>>>> radical
>>>> arrogance and cruelty.
>>>>
>>>> I emphasize again as I have done many times before, Original sin in
>>>> Islam is
>>>> not reprobating Adam and Eve for eating from the forbidden tree, it is
>>>> rather acting in pride and arrogance.
>>>>
>>>> This is the resentment of Lucifer who is the chief adversary of
>>>> cynicism.
>>>>
>>>> He is demonized to eternal damnation because of his radical arrogance
>>>> and
>>>> bigotry.
>>>>
>>>> Pro Israel supporters and their allies consider themselves the highest
>>>> of
>>>> high, the chosen people, the children of God, and therefore, anyone who
>>>> opposes them is not a human, and he is worth it for a shoot.
>>>>
>>>> We will never bow down to their oppressive authority, defiance should
>>>> persist, and we ultimately shall prevail.
>>>>
>>>> I will make sure to pass my defying sentiment to a broader scale, so we
>>>> will
>>>> uninterruptedly pressure on Israel and its pro allies on international
>>>> scope, until we force them to decease using the force to bow
>>>> Palestinians
>>>> down.
>>>>
>>>> As President Anwar el-Sadat said;
>>>>
>>>> "What was taken by force is never regained by rather than force".
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Faith-talk mailing list
>>>> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> Faith-talk:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/faith-talk_nfbnet.org/heavens4real%40gmail
>>>> .com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:18:23 -0400
>> From: "Paul" <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Brandon A. Olivares" <programmer2188 at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for
>> the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>> totheZionist subjection.
>> Message-ID: <E744F944C55F40B49801613021FA8D2D at paul>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> By Gnostic literature I assume you mean Jewish gnostic literature written
>> during the intertestamental period, including the Essenes' "Manual of
>> Discipline?" Paul
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>; "Faith-talk,for the
>> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 2:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>> totheZionist
>> subjection.
>>
>>
>> It?s funny you bring up the dead sea scrolls. Because though they include
>> older manuscripts of the gospels, they also include the gnostic texts,
>> which
>> quite contradict traditional Christian doctrine. So I do not think they
>> prove your point.
>>
>> Peace,
>> Brandon
>>
>> Escape The Dream: Put An End To Suffering And Return To Joy
>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 2:13 PM, RJ Sandefur via Faith-talk
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Poppa Bare for that point! He tries to make himself sound
>>> educated, when in reality, he knows nothing concerning the Christianity
>>> faith, rather only what he's been taught, and futhermore, these
>>> so-called
>>> arguments have been disproven time and time again. It is just laughible!
>>> The dead sea scroles prove that the bible we have today is what the
>>> bible
>>> claimes to be, the word of God! I found a really good websight.
>>> www.answeringislam.com
>>> Do research before you try debating someone with a doctorate degree.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Poppa Bear via Faith-talk"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "'Mostafa'" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>; "'Faith-talk,for the
>>> discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 1:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to
>>> theZionist subjection.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Mustafa, I was talking about the ability to gather accurately the
>>> transmitted data from cultures throughout history in any field of study
>>> related to a written text, that truth is still a reality regardless of
>>> whether or not you like to pick and choose the best words of elocution
>>> to
>>> try and prove your points. This was called sophistry in ancient days and
>>> I
>>> think you have acquired a formidable ability to execute it in your
>>> arguments. You do indeed dismiss anything that does not fit your
>>> argument
>>> even if it is valid, you will still take an arbitrary direction and
>>> avoid
>>> the points of any person who responds to you. You keep fighting against
>>> the
>>> Bible and making your various arguments, but I know that the living God
>>> is
>>> able to defend his word just fine.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Mostafa
>>> via Faith-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
>>> To: oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the
>>> Zionist
>>> subjection.
>>>
>>>
>>> Greetings.
>>>
>>> It was immediately after my post that I have got ranging responses, from
>>> considering my scrutiny irrelevant to inconsistently comparing sacred
>>> translations with the constant transmission of terrestrial disciplines
>>> such
>>> as Astronomy, Ecology, Mathematics, and other related scientific
>>> branches.
>>>
>>> The one who incorrectly posed this inconsistent analogy should have
>>> known
>>> that physical science is the study of the physical and natural world
>>> using
>>> theoretical models and data from experiments or observation.
>>>
>>> But sacred text is not based on that.
>>>
>>> Sacred text is based on divine legitimacy and reliability.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, physical science is temporal, and it constantly evolves as
>>> new
>>> discovery and scientific developments unfold.
>>>
>>> Whilst in addition, sacred text is unaltered, it is not edited,
>>> motified,
>>> nor even recontextualized.
>>>
>>> I reserve the right to criticize any form of belief, as long as I am
>>> devoting my arguments to enlightening propositions, and that does not
>>> mean
>>> I
>>> am doubtful of my faith, it is basically preposterous for someone to
>>> think
>>> so.
>>>
>>> Well, someone is certainly pitiful enough to delude himself with such
>>> miserably absurd illusions.
>>>
>>> Now, we are back again to verbally defy the plain obstinacy of
>>> guarding aggression and transgression.
>>>
>>> The Constitution of the United States is the most honorable constitution
>>> in
>>> the world.
>>>
>>> It strictly prohibits ethnic cleansing, mass murder, suppression,
>>> subjection
>>> and military strikes on civil targets.
>>>
>>> I am not flattering Americans though, I am basically uttering the truth.
>>>
>>> I distinctly honor and respect the humanrights principles which the U.S
>>> Constitution strongly affirms and it is based on that.
>>>
>>> The U.S constitution recognizes people equal before the supreme law, and
>>> it
>>> does not opt anyone on either racial, ethnic or religious superiority
>>> complex.
>>>
>>> Well unfortunately, there are some minors who considers themselves cr?me
>>> de la cr?me, they consider themselves eminent, even beyond the
>>> constitutional principles, and they think that an insect in New York is
>>> worthful than a human being in Gaza.
>>>
>>> Those who devote themselves to such abominable attitude are not humans,
>>> although they look like humans, but they think and act like devilish
>>> species.
>>>
>>> They viciously belong to mephistophelean species because of their
>>> radical
>>> arrogance and cruelty.
>>>
>>> I emphasize again as I have done many times before, Original sin in
>>> Islam
>>> is
>>> not reprobating Adam and Eve for eating from the forbidden tree, it is
>>> rather acting in pride and arrogance.
>>>
>>> This is the resentment of Lucifer who is the chief adversary of
>>> cynicism.
>>>
>>> He is demonized to eternal damnation because of his radical arrogance
>>> and
>>> bigotry.
>>>
>>> Pro Israel supporters and their allies consider themselves the highest
>>> of
>>> high, the chosen people, the children of God, and therefore, anyone who
>>> opposes them is not a human, and he is worth it for a shoot.
>>>
>>> We will never bow down to their oppressive authority, defiance should
>>> persist, and we ultimately shall prevail.
>>>
>>> I will make sure to pass my defying sentiment to a broader scale, so we
>>> will
>>> uninterruptedly pressure on Israel and its pro allies on international
>>> scope, until we force them to decease using the force to bow
>>> Palestinians
>>> down.
>>>
>>> As President Anwar el-Sadat said;
>>>
>>> "What was taken by force is never regained by rather than force".
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Faith-talk mailing list
>>> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> Faith-talk:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/faith-talk_nfbnet.org/heavens4real%40gmail
>>> .com
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:28:48 -0400
>> From: "Paul" <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Spiritual discussion list"
>> <room-for-your-beliefs at list.tafn.org.uk>
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Weekly Bible Trivia Game for Sunday, July 20,
>> 2014
>> Message-ID: <F6D8C0C5B0F040E1A5DE2685168EB0AD at paul>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hello and greetings to most of you on this Lord's Day, at least that's
>> what it is in most of the world where my readers live, although in
>> Australia and New Zealand it's already Monday. I hope that this finds
>> you well, by God's matchless grace and His providential care.
>>
>> This week we're in the New Testament. If I've counted them accurately,
>> you have one out of 89 chapters to guess the correct one. Remember, all
>> I need is book and chapter only for this poem, not a verse. Hope you've
>> got your Bible thinking caps on and ready, because here we go. As the
>> Lord leads, good guessing.
>>
>> Women come early but Jesus is gone.
>> Jesus appears as two travel along.
>> Back in Jerusalem Jesus eats meat.
>> Jesus ascends, but their joy is complete.
>>
>> Now I'd guess this one right off if someone else were running this game.
>> Would you?
>>
>> And now may the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob just keep us safe,
>> individually and collectively, in these last days in which we live.
>> Tomorrow, Lord willing we will resume the daily thought articles. Your
>> Christian friend and brother, Paul
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:43:25 -0700
>> From: "Kendra. Schaber" <redwing731 at gmail.com>
>> To: debby phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for the
>> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>> totheZionistsubjection.
>> Message-ID: <44761D3E-FD07-48FF-BB06-22F8A5ADC46D at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Hi readers!
>> These are all good questions. As a Pagan, I see the world as a church.
>> That means that wherever we can get permission to practice our religion
>> is fair game. We can practice it anywhere we choose as long as we get
>> permission from the managers, landlords or owners if we want to burn
>> candles for example because not all buildings allow it because of fire
>> hazards. If we visit someone's house, we have to respect there faith and
>> associated gods. When I go to visit my Christian friends, I respect their
>> beliefs and their god while I'm there. My blindness doesn't affect my
>> faith. The ADA doesn't affect my faith either. The ADA affects my
>> blindness especially whenever signs are not in Braille.. I believe that
>> we are all equals both as a blind person and as a Pagan. I also believe
>> that there are many paths to eternity. In my book, if only one path was
>> accepted, than everyone in the world wouldn't be happy with their
>> religions or that everyone who didn't believe in the Christian God would
>> be committing major crimes. Since I know a lot of people who are happy
>> with their chosen paths, I am included here, I have always believed that
>> if you are happy with your faith, than that is your correct path. We all
>> have our rights to our aponions. However, sacred texts from all over the
>> world needs to be respected and not criticized. You can read it and
>> dissagree with it as long as you make a point to agree to dissagree.
>> Pagans don't follow one set of sacred texts. We reconize that all of them
>> are equal. All of them have truth to them. All of them are also followed
>> by at least one group of people very much like the Christians follow the
>> bible. I think that the questions are thoughtful but offensive to
>> Christians because they also critasize their sacred texts. I have a
>> question for the non-Christians on this list. Do you read, studdy and
>> regard any sacred texts as the truth? I call sacred text scripture,
>> legends, folk lore, dogma, mythology. As for me, I follow mythology, folk
>> lore and legends. I believe that they hold a lot of truth. I do read
>> scripture and agree with some of it. I read it with respect and reconize
>> it as a sacred text. I read it to learn from so I can better understand
>> what others follow and regard as sacred. I see it as a way to be better
>> informed about the faiths of others so that whenever I meet them, I can
>> jump in and make friendships or partnerships with them. I look at all
>> angles as I read and take with me what I agree with as good teachings and
>> the rest with a grain of salt and reconize that information as sacred to
>> all who do agree with it. I would want the same done with my sacred
>> texts.
>> Kendra
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 7:36 AM, debby phillips via Faith-talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Ashley, I think your topic is right on. How does blindness affect
>>> our faith? And how does blindness affect how we deal with others of
>>> differing religions? Now, that may sound strange, so read me out. First
>>> of all, I'll deal with my second question. There are various cultures
>>> and faiths that view blindness very negatively. How do people overcome
>>> those obstacles? As a dog user how do I deal with a cab driver who
>>> refuses to allow my dog in his cab because he is Muslim and believes
>>> that dogs are unclean? how do we deal with issues that affect our rights
>>> and someone's freedom of religion? For instance, if a law requires that
>>> I do something that I find reprehensible because of my faith, how do I
>>> deal with that?
>>>
>>> Then my first question, how does blindness affect my faith? Well, in one
>>> way it does not. What I believe is in my heart, and I try to live out
>>> my faith every day, showing the love of Jesus to others. And I want to
>>> be of service to others. But what happens when people say, You can't do
>>> this or that because of your blindness. As a Catholic, I wanted to
>>> enter a particular community of nuns. (This was years ago and now I am
>>> married). But they did not want to have "anyone with handicaps" in
>>> their community. Good luck with that, when members get older and have
>>> disabilities. Churches in the United States are not required to follow
>>> the rules of the ADA. So what recourse does a person have? These are
>>> topics that I think are blindness-related, and certainly NFB related.
>>> Thanks for reading. Blessings, Debby
>>>
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>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:05:34 -0400
>> From: "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Kendra. Schaber'" <redwing731 at gmail.com>, "'Faith-talk, for the
>> discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>> totheZionistsubjection.
>> Message-ID: <00fd01cfa45e$5997b7b0$0cc72710$@gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Agreed Kendra.
>> I strive to find nuggets of wisdom in any of the sacred writings or books
>> on
>> spirituality that I choose to read; it has worked very well for me.
>> Fighting against the bible, Koran, or any other sacred tex is for me, and
>> dare I say for all of you Christians and nonchristians alike,
>> counterproductive. And that includes the god's word will defend its self
>> statements. I'm not stupid, you haven't disguised your purpose from me
>> or
>> anyone else even if you coutch it in those terms. Our islamic friend has
>> as
>> much write to be hear as anyone else. -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Kendra.
>> Schaber via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 4:43 PM
>> To: debby phillips; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>> totheZionistsubjection.
>>
>> Hi readers!
>> These are all good questions. As a Pagan, I see the world as a church.
>> That
>> means that wherever we can get permission to practice our religion is
>> fair
>> game. We can practice it anywhere we choose as long as we get permission
>> from the managers, landlords or owners if we want to burn candles for
>> example because not all buildings allow it because of fire hazards. If we
>> visit someone's house, we have to respect there faith and associated
>> gods.
>> When I go to visit my Christian friends, I respect their beliefs and
>> their
>> god while I'm there. My blindness doesn't affect my faith. The ADA
>> doesn't
>> affect my faith either. The ADA affects my blindness especially whenever
>> signs are not in Braille.. I believe that we are all equals both as a
>> blind
>> person and as a Pagan. I also believe that there are many paths to
>> eternity.
>> In my book, if only one path was accepted, than everyone in the world
>> wouldn't be happy with their religions or that everyone who didn't
>> believe
>> in the Christian God would be committing major crimes. Since I know a lot
>> of
>> people who are happy with their chosen paths, I am included here, I have
>> always believed that if you are happy with your faith, than that is your
>> correct path. We all have our rights to our aponions. However, sacred
>> texts
>> from all over the world needs to be respected and not criticized. You can
>> read it and dissagree with it as long as you make a point to agree to
>> dissagree. Pagans don't follow one set of sacred texts. We reconize that
>> all
>> of them are equal. All of them have truth to them. All of them are also
>> followed by at least one group of people very much like the Christians
>> follow the bible. I think that the questions are thoughtful but offensive
>> to
>> Christians because they also critasize their sacred texts. I have a
>> question
>> for the non-Christians on this list. Do you read, studdy and regard any
>> sacred texts as the truth? I call sacred text scripture, legends, folk
>> lore,
>> dogma, mythology. As for me, I follow mythology, folk lore and legends. I
>> believe that they hold a lot of truth. I do read scripture and agree with
>> some of it. I read it with respect and reconize it as a sacred text. I
>> read
>> it to learn from so I can better understand what others follow and regard
>> as
>> sacred. I see it as a way to be better informed about the faiths of
>> others
>> so that whenever I meet them, I can jump in and make friendships or
>> partnerships with them. I look at all angles as I read and take with me
>> what
>> I agree with as good teachings and the rest with a grain of salt and
>> reconize that information as sacred to all who do agree with it. I would
>> want the same done with my sacred texts.
>> Kendra
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 7:36 AM, debby phillips via Faith-talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Ashley, I think your topic is right on. How does blindness affect
>>> our
>> faith? And how does blindness affect how we deal with others of differing
>> religions? Now, that may sound strange, so read me out. First of all,
>> I'll
>> deal with my second question. There are various cultures and faiths that
>> view blindness very negatively. How do people overcome those obstacles?
>> As
>> a dog user how do I deal with a cab driver who refuses to allow my dog in
>> his cab because he is Muslim and believes that dogs are unclean? how do
>> we
>> deal with issues that affect our rights and someone's freedom of
>> religion?
>> For instance, if a law requires that I do something that I find
>> reprehensible because of my faith, how do I deal with that?
>>>
>>> Then my first question, how does blindness affect my faith? Well, in one
>> way it does not. What I believe is in my heart, and I try to live out my
>> faith every day, showing the love of Jesus to others. And I want to be
>> of
>> service to others. But what happens when people say, You can't do this
>> or
>> that because of your blindness. As a Catholic, I wanted to enter a
>> particular community of nuns. (This was years ago and now I am married).
>> But they did not want to have "anyone with handicaps" in their community.
>> Good luck with that, when members get older and have disabilities.
>> Churches
>> in the United States are not required to follow the rules of the ADA. So
>> what recourse does a person have? These are topics that I think are
>> blindness-related, and certainly NFB related. Thanks for reading.
>> Blessings, Debby
>>>
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>> Message: 13
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:16:14 -0400
>> From: Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater at gmail.com>
>> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] true translations
>> Message-ID: <53CC319E.8030309 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi all. I've lately gotten caught up in the KJV-only thing, and while I
>> believe that not only the KJV can be the way God preserves his Word, I
>> do believe that some versions can be made purely by man. So, do you all
>> know of any translations I should be careful of? For now, I use a very
>> well version called "the voice". It truly makes me feel as ifI'm reading
>> the Bible fresh, for the first time.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:42:34 -0400
>> From: "Brandon A. Olivares" <programmer2188 at gmail.com>
>> To: Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>> totheZionist subjection.
>> Message-ID: <CEF9966D-719B-4124-A4D5-074379C8ACE7 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>> I mean the Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Peace, and other gnostic Christian
>> texts.
>>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> By Gnostic literature I assume you mean Jewish gnostic literature
>>> written during the intertestamental period, including the Essenes'
>>> "Manual of Discipline?" Paul
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk"
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>; "Faith-talk,for the
>>> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 2:30 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>>> totheZionist subjection.
>>>
>>>
>>> It?s funny you bring up the dead sea scrolls. Because though they
>>> include older manuscripts of the gospels, they also include the gnostic
>>> texts, which quite contradict traditional Christian doctrine. So I do
>>> not think they prove your point.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>> Brandon
>>>
>>> Escape The Dream: Put An End To Suffering And Return To Joy
>>>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 2:13 PM, RJ Sandefur via Faith-talk
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Poppa Bare for that point! He tries to make himself sound
>>>> educated, when in reality, he knows nothing concerning the Christianity
>>>> faith, rather only what he's been taught, and futhermore, these
>>>> so-called arguments have been disproven time and time again. It is just
>>>> laughible! The dead sea scroles prove that the bible we have today is
>>>> what the bible claimes to be, the word of God! I found a really good
>>>> websight.
>>>> www.answeringislam.com
>>>> Do research before you try debating someone with a doctorate degree.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Poppa Bear via Faith-talk"
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: "'Mostafa'" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>; "'Faith-talk,for the
>>>> discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 1:57 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to
>>>> theZionist subjection.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Mustafa, I was talking about the ability to gather accurately the
>>>> transmitted data from cultures throughout history in any field of study
>>>> related to a written text, that truth is still a reality regardless of
>>>> whether or not you like to pick and choose the best words of elocution
>>>> to
>>>> try and prove your points. This was called sophistry in ancient days
>>>> and I
>>>> think you have acquired a formidable ability to execute it in your
>>>> arguments. You do indeed dismiss anything that does not fit your
>>>> argument
>>>> even if it is valid, you will still take an arbitrary direction and
>>>> avoid
>>>> the points of any person who responds to you. You keep fighting against
>>>> the
>>>> Bible and making your various arguments, but I know that the living God
>>>> is
>>>> able to defend his word just fine.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Mostafa
>>>> via Faith-talk
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
>>>> To: oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the
>>>> Zionist
>>>> subjection.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greetings.
>>>>
>>>> It was immediately after my post that I have got ranging responses,
>>>> from
>>>> considering my scrutiny irrelevant to inconsistently comparing sacred
>>>> translations with the constant transmission of terrestrial disciplines
>>>> such
>>>> as Astronomy, Ecology, Mathematics, and other related scientific
>>>> branches.
>>>>
>>>> The one who incorrectly posed this inconsistent analogy should have
>>>> known
>>>> that physical science is the study of the physical and natural world
>>>> using
>>>> theoretical models and data from experiments or observation.
>>>>
>>>> But sacred text is not based on that.
>>>>
>>>> Sacred text is based on divine legitimacy and reliability.
>>>>
>>>> Furthermore, physical science is temporal, and it constantly evolves as
>>>> new
>>>> discovery and scientific developments unfold.
>>>>
>>>> Whilst in addition, sacred text is unaltered, it is not edited,
>>>> motified,
>>>> nor even recontextualized.
>>>>
>>>> I reserve the right to criticize any form of belief, as long as I am
>>>> devoting my arguments to enlightening propositions, and that does not
>>>> mean I
>>>> am doubtful of my faith, it is basically preposterous for someone to
>>>> think
>>>> so.
>>>>
>>>> Well, someone is certainly pitiful enough to delude himself with such
>>>> miserably absurd illusions.
>>>>
>>>> Now, we are back again to verbally defy the plain obstinacy of
>>>> guarding aggression and transgression.
>>>>
>>>> The Constitution of the United States is the most honorable
>>>> constitution in
>>>> the world.
>>>>
>>>> It strictly prohibits ethnic cleansing, mass murder, suppression,
>>>> subjection
>>>> and military strikes on civil targets.
>>>>
>>>> I am not flattering Americans though, I am basically uttering the
>>>> truth.
>>>>
>>>> I distinctly honor and respect the humanrights principles which the U.S
>>>> Constitution strongly affirms and it is based on that.
>>>>
>>>> The U.S constitution recognizes people equal before the supreme law,
>>>> and it
>>>> does not opt anyone on either racial, ethnic or religious superiority
>>>> complex.
>>>>
>>>> Well unfortunately, there are some minors who considers themselves
>>>> cr?me
>>>> de la cr?me, they consider themselves eminent, even beyond the
>>>> constitutional principles, and they think that an insect in New York is
>>>> worthful than a human being in Gaza.
>>>>
>>>> Those who devote themselves to such abominable attitude are not humans,
>>>> although they look like humans, but they think and act like devilish
>>>> species.
>>>>
>>>> They viciously belong to mephistophelean species because of their
>>>> radical
>>>> arrogance and cruelty.
>>>>
>>>> I emphasize again as I have done many times before, Original sin in
>>>> Islam is
>>>> not reprobating Adam and Eve for eating from the forbidden tree, it is
>>>> rather acting in pride and arrogance.
>>>>
>>>> This is the resentment of Lucifer who is the chief adversary of
>>>> cynicism.
>>>>
>>>> He is demonized to eternal damnation because of his radical arrogance
>>>> and
>>>> bigotry.
>>>>
>>>> Pro Israel supporters and their allies consider themselves the highest
>>>> of
>>>> high, the chosen people, the children of God, and therefore, anyone who
>>>> opposes them is not a human, and he is worth it for a shoot.
>>>>
>>>> We will never bow down to their oppressive authority, defiance should
>>>> persist, and we ultimately shall prevail.
>>>>
>>>> I will make sure to pass my defying sentiment to a broader scale, so we
>>>> will
>>>> uninterruptedly pressure on Israel and its pro allies on international
>>>> scope, until we force them to decease using the force to bow
>>>> Palestinians
>>>> down.
>>>>
>>>> As President Anwar el-Sadat said;
>>>>
>>>> "What was taken by force is never regained by rather than force".
>>>>
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>>
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>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:55:08 -0400
>> From: "Brandon A. Olivares" <programmer2188 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Kendra. Schaber" <redwing731 at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for the
>> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>> totheZionistsubjection.
>> Message-ID: <8A7621E2-F12F-4E09-978D-FE663C2238F9 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Kendra,
>>
>> Nice to know you are a Pagan. I went down that path at one point in my
>> life. :)
>>
>> To answer your question, no, I don?t recognize any text as ?sacred?.
>> Every text has been written by humans at some point in history, and it is
>> simply their best idea of what the universe is like. They create gods,
>> offerings to gods, rules that those gods want us to follow, consequences
>> for not following those rules, etc. It is all mythology.
>>
>> The closest that comes to Truth for me is the Bhagavad Gita and the other
>> Upanishads. But still, they were from a human perspective, and thus not
>> inerrant.
>>
>> There is only one authority, though in many forms. When a person realizes
>> Truth? and I mean ultimate Truth, not simply one form of truth in some
>> religion? then that person is an authority on Truth. I mean people like
>> Buddha, K???a if he existed, Lao Tsu, and likely the true teachings of
>> Jesus if they were ever to be uncovered and separated from the Church?s
>> version of events. There are many others, some in modern times. Mooji,
>> Papaji, Osho, Byron Katie, Eckhart Tolle, Jeff Foster, Adyashanti, are
>> others who live still today or lived very recently. These realized
>> masters are speckled throughout history, holding the torch of Truth so
>> that at least some may see truly, while others follow blindly their own
>> mythologies, not yet ready to see ultimate Truth. And there is no
>> judgment in that statement: Truth is quite a painful thing to behold at
>> first. But I take all the major religions to be nothing more than
>> mythology.
>>
>> Even Buddhism, which revolves around a historical enlightened master,
>> today has more rules than Christianity. It has its own gods, its own
>> afterlife, several versions of hell, etc. In short, much of it has fallen
>> away from the Truth the Buddha uttered millennia ago. Yet there are still
>> some who carry it on despite all of that.
>>
>> Peace,
>> Brandon
>>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Kendra. Schaber via Faith-talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi readers!
>>> These are all good questions. As a Pagan, I see the world as a church.
>>> That means that wherever we can get permission to practice our religion
>>> is fair game. We can practice it anywhere we choose as long as we get
>>> permission from the managers, landlords or owners if we want to burn
>>> candles for example because not all buildings allow it because of fire
>>> hazards. If we visit someone's house, we have to respect there faith and
>>> associated gods. When I go to visit my Christian friends, I respect
>>> their beliefs and their god while I'm there. My blindness doesn't affect
>>> my faith. The ADA doesn't affect my faith either. The ADA affects my
>>> blindness especially whenever signs are not in Braille.. I believe that
>>> we are all equals both as a blind person and as a Pagan. I also believe
>>> that there are many paths to eternity. In my book, if only one path was
>>> accepted, than everyone in the world wouldn't be happy with their
>>> religions or that everyone who didn't believe in the Christian God would
>>> be committing major crimes. Since I know a lot of people who are happy
>>> with their chosen paths, I am included here, I have always believed that
>>> if you are happy with your faith, than that is your correct path. We all
>>> have our rights to our aponions. However, sacred texts from all over the
>>> world needs to be respected and not criticized. You can read it and
>>> dissagree with it as long as you make a point to agree to dissagree.
>>> Pagans don't follow one set of sacred texts. We reconize that all of
>>> them are equal. All of them have truth to them. All of them are also
>>> followed by at least one group of people very much like the Christians
>>> follow the bible. I think that the questions are thoughtful but
>>> offensive to Christians because they also critasize their sacred texts.
>>> I have a question for the non-Christians on this list. Do you read,
>>> studdy and regard any sacred texts as the truth? I call sacred text
>>> scripture, legends, folk lore, dogma, mythology. As for me, I follow
>>> mythology, folk lore and legends. I believe that they hold a lot of
>>> truth. I do read scripture and agree with some of it. I read it with
>>> respect and reconize it as a sacred text. I read it to learn from so I
>>> can better understand what others follow and regard as sacred. I see it
>>> as a way to be better informed about the faiths of others so that
>>> whenever I meet them, I can jump in and make friendships or partnerships
>>> with them. I look at all angles as I read and take with me what I agree
>>> with as good teachings and the rest with a grain of salt and reconize
>>> that information as sacred to all who do agree with it. I would want the
>>> same done with my sacred texts.
>>> Kendra
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 7:36 AM, debby phillips via Faith-talk
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey Ashley, I think your topic is right on. How does blindness affect
>>>> our faith? And how does blindness affect how we deal with others of
>>>> differing religions? Now, that may sound strange, so read me out.
>>>> First of all, I'll deal with my second question. There are various
>>>> cultures and faiths that view blindness very negatively. How do people
>>>> overcome those obstacles? As a dog user how do I deal with a cab driver
>>>> who refuses to allow my dog in his cab because he is Muslim and
>>>> believes that dogs are unclean? how do we deal with issues that affect
>>>> our rights and someone's freedom of religion? For instance, if a law
>>>> requires that I do something that I find reprehensible because of my
>>>> faith, how do I deal with that?
>>>>
>>>> Then my first question, how does blindness affect my faith? Well, in
>>>> one way it does not. What I believe is in my heart, and I try to live
>>>> out my faith every day, showing the love of Jesus to others. And I
>>>> want to be of service to others. But what happens when people say, You
>>>> can't do this or that because of your blindness. As a Catholic, I
>>>> wanted to enter a particular community of nuns. (This was years ago
>>>> and now I am married). But they did not want to have "anyone with
>>>> handicaps" in their community. Good luck with that, when members get
>>>> older and have disabilities. Churches in the United States are not
>>>> required to follow the rules of the ADA. So what recourse does a
>>>> person have? These are topics that I think are blindness-related, and
>>>> certainly NFB related. Thanks for reading. Blessings, Debby
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:46:00 -0800
>> From: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Devin Prater'" <r.d.t.prater at gmail.com>, "'Faith-talk, for the
>> discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] true translations
>> Message-ID: <00e001cfa464$01570a00$04051e00$@com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Hello Devin, here is a thought I want to put out there, are Gods
>> promises,
>> plan of salvation, commandments, Characteristics, any different from say
>> the
>> KJV, to the NIV, to the Living Bible and a half dozen others? I mean,
>> maybe
>> think about your favorite verses, and look them up in a few different
>> translations and see if there is a substantive difference, in tone,
>> direction or precept. You may find out that they are closer than you
>> might
>> think. I know that there are Churches that swear by one version,
>> analytical
>> books that campaign for one version over another, but I have found
>> faithful
>> Christians who read the NIV, the Amplified, the American standard and all
>> hold onto the same promises from the Bible, because here is the thing,
>> the
>> promises are spiritual and really do transcend languages, the language
>> that
>> is used in a particular translation is just a vehicle to carry God's
>> promises of salvation to a world of lost sinners and the goal of
>> translators
>> is not only to be accurate, but to be able to bring translations that
>> talk
>> to the people in the way they are used to communicating in real life.
>> Take
>> Jesus, he didn't speak to the people in ancient Hebrew because he needed
>> to
>> speak the same language that perhaps Moses spoke, he spoke in the
>> particular
>> tongue that the people of his day spoke in, he spoke in the most common
>> tongue so even a child could have understood him and I think that he gave
>> us
>> a wonderful example to follow. Now, can the Devil take advantage of the
>> different translations? He sure can, that is his job, to kill, steel and
>> destroy, and he will do it through anything, just like when Jesus was in
>> his
>> ministry, the Devil tried to use the scriptures against him, and as Jesus
>> was the living word, he was treated just like the written word, his words
>> were twisted, doubted, questioned and disregarded and this happens to the
>> written word every day.
>> Well, I hope you can maybe find something in all of these words I'm
>> stumbling through, take care.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Devin
>> Prater via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 1:16 PM
>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] true translations
>>
>> Hi all. I've lately gotten caught up in the KJV-only thing, and while I
>> believe that not only the KJV can be the way God preserves his Word, I
>> do believe that some versions can be made purely by man. So, do you all
>> know of any translations I should be careful of? For now, I use a very
>> well version called "the voice". It truly makes me feel as ifI'm reading
>> the Bible fresh, for the first time.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> .com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 17
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:01:51 -0400
>> From: "Paul" <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>
>> To: "Devin Prater" <r.d.t.prater at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for the
>> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] true translations
>> Message-ID: <DA3CC71961194B7DA096B2A36AEAC98B at paul>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> If I were you (and I'm not), I'd avoid The Message or the New World
>> Translation, the Message because its translation is so free and loose
>> that
>> one can wonder if it is accurately presenting the Word as God intended
>> it,
>> and the New World Translation because it came from the mind of Charles
>> Taze
>> Russel, founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Having said that, though, I
>> wouldn't suggest that you avoid those versions altogether, but let the
>> Holy
>> Spirit guide you in the version He wants you to use and which you would
>> find
>> most comfortable in reading. Paul
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Devin Prater via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 5:16 PM
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] true translations
>>
>>
>>> Hi all. I've lately gotten caught up in the KJV-only thing, and while I
>>> believe that not only the KJV can be the way God preserves his Word, I
>>> do
>>> believe that some versions can be made purely by man. So, do you all
>>> know
>>> of any translations I should be careful of? For now, I use a very well
>>> version called "the voice". It truly makes me feel as ifI'm reading the
>>> Bible fresh, for the first time.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Faith-talk mailing list
>>> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> Faith-talk:
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 18
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:34:39 -0600
>> From: Sheila Leigland <sheila.leigland at gmail.com>
>> To: Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for the discussion
>> of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Weekly Bible Trivia Game for Sunday, July
>> 20, 2014
>> Message-ID: <53CC520F.1020401 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> luke 24
>>> On 7/20/2014 2:28 PM, Paul via Faith-talk wrote:
>>> Hello and greetings to most of you on this Lord's Day, at least that's
>>> what it is in most of the world where my readers live, although in
>>> Australia and New Zealand it's already Monday. I hope that this finds
>>> you well, by God's matchless grace and His providential care.
>>>
>>> This week we're in the New Testament. If I've counted them accurately,
>>> you have one out of 89 chapters to guess the correct one. Remember, all
>>> I need is book and chapter only for this poem, not a verse. Hope you've
>>> got your Bible thinking caps on and ready, because here we go. As the
>>> Lord leads, good guessing.
>>>
>>> Women come early but Jesus is gone.
>>> Jesus appears as two travel along.
>>> Back in Jerusalem Jesus eats meat.
>>> Jesus ascends, but their joy is complete.
>>>
>>> Now I'd guess this one right off if someone else were running this game.
>>> Would you?
>>>
>>> And now may the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob just keep us safe,
>>> individually and collectively, in these last days in which we live.
>>> Tomorrow, Lord willing we will resume the daily thought articles. Your
>>> Christian friend and brother, Paul
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 19
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:48:04 -0700
>> From: "Kendra. Schaber" <redwing731 at gmail.com>
>> To: Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for the
>> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] true translations
>> Message-ID: <67C02AA6-3C8A-4302-9A4E-20767570335C at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> I heard that there are 26 versions of the bible. Read them, explore them
>> and choose out of them the one that you like best. One of my Christian
>> friends won't touch the KJV because they can't understand it. She uses
>> the version that her church uses. I hope that you find what you are
>> looking for!!! Good luck!!!
>> Kendra
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Devin Prater via Faith-talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all. I've lately gotten caught up in the KJV-only thing, and while I
>>> believe that not only the KJV can be the way God preserves his Word, I
>>> do believe that some versions can be made purely by man. So, do you all
>>> know of any translations I should be careful of? For now, I use a very
>>> well version called "the voice". It truly makes me feel as ifI'm reading
>>> the Bible fresh, for the first time.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Faith-talk mailing list
>>> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> Faith-talk:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/faith-talk_nfbnet.org/redwing731%40gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 20
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 15:50:54 -0800
>> From: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Paul'" <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>, "'Faith-talk, for the
>> discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] true translations
>> Message-ID: <00e701cfa475$72a94ae0$57fbe0a0$@com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Good advice Paul.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul
>> via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 2:02 PM
>> To: Devin Prater; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] true translations
>>
>> If I were you (and I'm not), I'd avoid The Message or the New World
>> Translation, the Message because its translation is so free and loose
>> that
>> one can wonder if it is accurately presenting the Word as God intended
>> it,
>> and the New World Translation because it came from the mind of Charles
>> Taze
>> Russel, founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Having said that, though, I
>> wouldn't suggest that you avoid those versions altogether, but let the
>> Holy
>> Spirit guide you in the version He wants you to use and which you would
>> find
>> most comfortable in reading. Paul
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Devin Prater via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 5:16 PM
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] true translations
>>
>>
>>> Hi all. I've lately gotten caught up in the KJV-only thing, and while
>>> I believe that not only the KJV can be the way God preserves his Word,
>>> I do believe that some versions can be made purely by man. So, do you
>>> all know of any translations I should be careful of? For now, I use a
>>> very well version called "the voice". It truly makes me feel as ifI'm
>>> reading the Bible fresh, for the first time.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Faith-talk mailing list
>>> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> Faith-talk:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/faith-talk_nfbnet.org/oilofgladness4
>>> 7%40gmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> .com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 21
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:23:51 -0700
>> From: "Kendra. Schaber" <redwing731 at gmail.com>
>> To: justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
>> totheZionistsubjection.
>> Message-ID: <EFCA0B19-2D18-4049-BA14-6873F0D2FBA2 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Hi guys!
>> We are all including Muslums are welcome. We also don't need to critasize
>> sacred texts because they hold truth and it's counterproductive anyway.
>> Works by mistics are also in the realm of sacred texts. There is a whole
>> website and maybe more than one that is totally devoted to sacred texts.
>> Type in sacred texts in a search engine and you should find it at the top
>> of the results list. Once you find it, you can explore any of them from
>> around the world. You'll find anything including scripture, mythology,
>> legends, folk lore, and mystical writings. It's a good resource for you
>> all who are interested. All religions are represented in some way on that
>> site. Oh yah, there is even stuff for people with no religion there too.
>> Kendra
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 22
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:40:19 -0400
>> From: Doris &Hubby Chris <chipmunks at gmx.net>
>> To: Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for the
>> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the
>> Zionist subjection.
>> Message-ID: <0MFgxF-1XLPTC0Vyn-00EdIV at mail.gmx.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed
>>
>> Dear PoppaBear,
>>
>>
>> I do not think Mustafa is trying to deceive
>> anyone. I consider him a friend and think he is
>> just as honestly convince of doing the right
>> think in trying to sway ppl in favor of
>> his religion as an evangelical Christian is of
>> doing the same thing for Christianity.
>>
>> In his grip of grace!
>>
>> Doris
>>
>>
>> At 01:57 PM 7/20/2014, you wrote:
>>> Hello Mustafa, I was talking about the ability to gather accurately the
>>> transmitted data from cultures throughout history in any field of study
>>> related to a written text, that truth is still a reality regardless of
>>> whether or not you like to pick and choose the best words of elocution
>>> to
>>> try and prove your points. This was called sophistry in ancient days and
>>> I
>>> think you have acquired a formidable ability to execute it in your
>>> arguments. You do indeed dismiss anything that does not fit your
>>> argument
>>> even if it is valid, you will still take an arbitrary direction and
>>> avoid
>>> the points of any person who responds to you. You keep fighting against
>>> the
>>> Bible and making your various arguments, but I know that the living God
>>> is
>>> able to defend his word just fine.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Mostafa
>>> via Faith-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
>>> To: oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the
>>> Zionist
>>> subjection.
>>>
>>>
>>> Greetings.
>>>
>>> It was immediately after my post that I have got ranging responses, from
>>> considering my scrutiny irrelevant to inconsistently comparing sacred
>>> translations with the constant transmission of terrestrial disciplines
>>> such
>>> as Astronomy, Ecology, Mathematics, and other related scientific
>>> branches.
>>>
>>> The one who incorrectly posed this inconsistent analogy should have
>>> known
>>> that physical science is the study of the physical and natural world
>>> using
>>> theoretical models and data from experiments or observation.
>>>
>>> But sacred text is not based on that.
>>>
>>> Sacred text is based on divine legitimacy and reliability.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, physical science is temporal, and it constantly evolves as
>>> new
>>> discovery and scientific developments unfold.
>>>
>>> Whilst in addition, sacred text is unaltered, it is not edited,
>>> motified,
>>> nor even recontextualized.
>>>
>>> I reserve the right to criticize any form of belief, as long as I am
>>> devoting my arguments to enlightening propositions, and that does not
>>> mean I
>>> am doubtful of my faith, it is basically preposterous for someone to
>>> think
>>> so.
>>>
>>> Well, someone is certainly pitiful enough to delude himself with such
>>> miserably absurd illusions.
>>>
>>> Now, we are back again to verbally defy the plain obstinacy of
>>> guarding aggression and transgression.
>>>
>>> The Constitution of the United States is the most honorable constitution
>>> in
>>> the world.
>>>
>>> It strictly prohibits ethnic cleansing, mass murder, suppression,
>>> subjection
>>> and military strikes on civil targets.
>>>
>>> I am not flattering Americans though, I am basically uttering the truth.
>>>
>>> I distinctly honor and respect the humanrights principles which the U.S
>>> Constitution strongly affirms and it is based on that.
>>>
>>> The U.S constitution recognizes people equal before the supreme law, and
>>> it
>>> does not opt anyone on either racial, ethnic or religious superiority
>>> complex.
>>>
>>> Well unfortunately, there are some minors who considers themselves
>>> cr?me
>>> de la cr?me, they consider themselves eminent, even beyond the
>>> constitutional principles, and they think that an insect in New York is
>>> worthful than a human being in Gaza.
>>>
>>> Those who devote themselves to such abominable attitude are not humans,
>>> although they look like humans, but they think and act like devilish
>>> species.
>>>
>>> They viciously belong to mephistophelean species because of their
>>> radical
>>> arrogance and cruelty.
>>>
>>> I emphasize again as I have done many times before, Original sin in
>>> Islam is
>>> not reprobating Adam and Eve for eating from the forbidden tree, it is
>>> rather acting in pride and arrogance.
>>>
>>> This is the resentment of Lucifer who is the chief adversary of
>>> cynicism.
>>>
>>> He is demonized to eternal damnation because of his radical arrogance
>>> and
>>> bigotry.
>>>
>>> Pro Israel supporters and their allies consider themselves the highest
>>> of
>>> high, the chosen people, the children of God, and therefore, anyone who
>>> opposes them is not a human, and he is worth it for a shoot.
>>>
>>> We will never bow down to their oppressive authority, defiance should
>>> persist, and we ultimately shall prevail.
>>>
>>> I will make sure to pass my defying sentiment to a broader scale, so we
>>> will
>>> uninterruptedly pressure on Israel and its pro allies on international
>>> scope, until we force them to decease using the force to bow
>>> Palestinians
>>> down.
>>>
>>> As President Anwar el-Sadat said;
>>>
>>> ?What was taken by force is never regained by rather than force?.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Faith-talk mailing list
>>> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> Faith-talk:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/faith-talk_nfbnet.org/heavens4real%40gmail
>>> .com
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 23
>> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 03:26:51 +0200
>> From: Mostafa Almahdy <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>
>> To: Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the
>> Zionist subjection.
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAL9QCSMSmb-Gyg4Uj2FnjFkthpu2HhAqxRiW-Fhg_05Ly6CkOQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> MR. Bear, I can barely bear your enormous nescience.
>>
>> This is also known as sophism.
>>
>> I will not respond to such fallacious allegations.
>>
>> I basically wanted you to scientifically verify the perfection of the
>> biblical translation that you hold and regard as inerrant.
>>
>> I apologize for asking you to do this.
>>
>> It seams that I have asked for something far away from your humble
>> competency.
>>
>> I did not expect you to unintelligently extrapolate the scrutiny.
>>
>> Therefore, I attempted to remind you that we are particularly
>> scrutinizing the authenticity of the transmission of a sacred text
>> called the Bible.
>>
>> This Bible is translated from languages that we cannot have access to
>> in our contemporary age, these languages are basically extinct, or at
>> least, they are unused by laymen people in our modern age.
>>
>> Jesus peace be upon him spoke Aramaic and so his disciples did.
>>
>> But your English edition of the controversial parables is brought from
>> Ancient Greek, whilst the Old Testament is brought from Ancient
>> Hebrew, and they both are virtually nonextant, their manuscripts are
>> not exposed to the public arena, unless for handful of specialized
>> scholars.
>>
>> I am quite taken aback of your imbecilic induction.
>>
>> Without fallaciously attempting to malignly doubt my faith, nor
>> attempting to indecisively assault me with insignificant allegations,
>> I wholeheartedly encourage you to go and commence a thorough research
>> on the subject.
>>
>> Of course, the word of God is inerrant and utterly perpetual.
>>
>> But, we are particularly talking about what God revealed, not about
>> what people translated with their own additions, omissions, textual
>> alteration and deliberate distortion of the text.
>>
>> As I just articulated, do not take my absurd statements as truthful,
>> consider them as deceitful, conditionally with presenting your
>> critical evidence.
>>
>> But I am afraid, ranting and personal assaults are not fit to do the job.
>>
>> Peace and blessings, Mostafa.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 7/20/14, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Mustafa, I was talking about the ability to gather accurately the
>>> transmitted data from cultures throughout history in any field of study
>>> related to a written text, that truth is still a reality regardless of
>>> whether or not you like to pick and choose the best words of elocution
>>> to
>>> try and prove your points. This was called sophistry in ancient days and
>>> I
>>> think you have acquired a formidable ability to execute it in your
>>> arguments. You do indeed dismiss anything that does not fit your
>>> argument
>>> even if it is valid, you will still take an arbitrary direction and
>>> avoid
>>> the points of any person who responds to you. You keep fighting against
>>> the
>>> Bible and making your various arguments, but I know that the living God
>>> is
>>> able to defend his word just fine.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Mostafa
>>> via Faith-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
>>> To: oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the
>>> Zionist
>>> subjection.
>>>
>>>
>>> Greetings.
>>>
>>> It was immediately after my post that I have got ranging responses, from
>>> considering my scrutiny irrelevant to inconsistently comparing sacred
>>> translations with the constant transmission of terrestrial disciplines
>>> such
>>> as Astronomy, Ecology, Mathematics, and other related scientific
>>> branches.
>>>
>>> The one who incorrectly posed this inconsistent analogy should have
>>> known
>>> that physical science is the study of the physical and natural world
>>> using
>>> theoretical models and data from experiments or observation.
>>>
>>> But sacred text is not based on that.
>>>
>>> Sacred text is based on divine legitimacy and reliability.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, physical science is temporal, and it constantly evolves as
>>> new
>>> discovery and scientific developments unfold.
>>>
>>> Whilst in addition, sacred text is unaltered, it is not edited,
>>> motified,
>>> nor even recontextualized.
>>>
>>> I reserve the right to criticize any form of belief, as long as I am
>>> devoting my arguments to enlightening propositions, and that does not
>>> mean
>>> I
>>> am doubtful of my faith, it is basically preposterous for someone to
>>> think
>>> so.
>>>
>>> Well, someone is certainly pitiful enough to delude himself with such
>>> miserably absurd illusions.
>>>
>>> Now, we are back again to verbally defy the plain obstinacy of
>>> guarding aggression and transgression.
>>>
>>> The Constitution of the United States is the most honorable constitution
>>> in
>>> the world.
>>>
>>> It strictly prohibits ethnic cleansing, mass murder, suppression,
>>> subjection
>>> and military strikes on civil targets.
>>>
>>> I am not flattering Americans though, I am basically uttering the truth.
>>>
>>> I distinctly honor and respect the humanrights principles which the U.S
>>> Constitution strongly affirms and it is based on that.
>>>
>>> The U.S constitution recognizes people equal before the supreme law, and
>>> it
>>> does not opt anyone on either racial, ethnic or religious superiority
>>> complex.
>>>
>>> Well unfortunately, there are some minors who considers themselves
>>> cr?me
>>> de la cr?me, they consider themselves eminent, even beyond the
>>> constitutional principles, and they think that an insect in New York is
>>> worthful than a human being in Gaza.
>>>
>>> Those who devote themselves to such abominable attitude are not humans,
>>> although they look like humans, but they think and act like devilish
>>> species.
>>>
>>> They viciously belong to mephistophelean species because of their
>>> radical
>>> arrogance and cruelty.
>>>
>>> I emphasize again as I have done many times before, Original sin in
>>> Islam
>>> is
>>> not reprobating Adam and Eve for eating from the forbidden tree, it is
>>> rather acting in pride and arrogance.
>>>
>>> This is the resentment of Lucifer who is the chief adversary of
>>> cynicism.
>>>
>>> He is demonized to eternal damnation because of his radical arrogance
>>> and
>>> bigotry.
>>>
>>> Pro Israel supporters and their allies consider themselves the highest
>>> of
>>> high, the chosen people, the children of God, and therefore, anyone who
>>> opposes them is not a human, and he is worth it for a shoot.
>>>
>>> We will never bow down to their oppressive authority, defiance should
>>> persist, and we ultimately shall prevail.
>>>
>>> I will make sure to pass my defying sentiment to a broader scale, so we
>>> will
>>> uninterruptedly pressure on Israel and its pro allies on international
>>> scope, until we force them to decease using the force to bow
>>> Palestinians
>>> down.
>>>
>>> As President Anwar el-Sadat said;
>>>
>>> "What was taken by force is never regained by rather than force".
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Faith-talk mailing list
>>> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> Faith-talk:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/faith-talk_nfbnet.org/heavens4real%40gmail
>>> .com
>>
>>
>> --
>> (Seeking knowledge is compulsory from cratle to grave because it is a
>> shoreless ocean.)
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 24
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 23:20:13 -0400
>> From: Andrew <andrewjedg at gmail.com>
>> To: Faith-talk <Faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] bill keller devotional for july 20
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAM342zb0Yrp7Yeupkxnz8SC534pzY4smbu2aVbdrQy4g6g4m3Q at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> No matter long you have been saved, no matter how greatly God is using
>> your life, the fact is that we each wake up in the morning and face
>> the choice of who we will serve that day. I have used the life of
>> Samson in various opportunities that I have had over my years in the
>> ministry when I was speaking to pastors or men's groups. But Samson's
>> life is very applicable for this message today, in regards to the
>> choices that you will make today and every day, as to exactly WHO you
>> will serve.
>>
>> Samson was miraculously born to a mother who was unable to conceive a
>> child. He was dedicated to God's service even before he was conceived.
>> While many may scoff at this, I have known many women who were unable
>> to have children, but after much prayer and seeking God, their once
>> barren womb brought forth life! Just in the 15 years Liveprayer has
>> been on line, we have had five such births that I can recall off of
>> the top of my head. Samson was dedicated to the Lord's service, grew
>> up being taught all about God, and the Bible says that the Spirit of
>> God was upon his life.
>>
>> One of the points that I want to stress today is that here was a man,
>> dedicated to God even before he was conceived, raised in the "church"
>> of his day, and had a heart so close to God that the Bible even says
>> God's Spirit was upon him. DESPITE THIS, SAMSON, JUST LIKE YOU AND I,
>> WOKE UP EVERY MORNING AND HAD TO MAKE CHOICES THROUGHOUT THE DAY WHO
>> HE WOULD SERVE!
>>
>> The Bible says that the devil comes to kill, steal, and destroy. If
>> you have accepted Christ into your heart by faith, the Bible says that
>> you are saved (John 3:16; Romans 10:10; Ephesians 2:8-9). However,
>> even though the devil can't have your eternal soul, he can destroy
>> your life, steal the joy, peace, and abundance Jesus promised those
>> who followed Him would know during our brief journey here, and kill us
>> literally.
>>
>> I have known many great men and women of God over the years, who
>> allowed sin in their life to consume them to the point of death. One
>> dear brother got into the bondage of drug addiction and died from an
>> overdose. One pastor I know looked to alcohol instead of the Lord in
>> times of trouble, and alcohol eventually destroyed his life, and he
>> died much earlier then he should have because of it. One sister, who
>> did many great things for God, allowed the enemy to throw her into a
>> state of depression to the point that she took her own life.
>>
>> SATAN IS NOT THE CLASS CLOWN, SOME MISCHIEVOUS PARTY ANIMAL THAT LOVES
>> TO HAVE FUN. SATAN IS A VERY REAL ENEMY WHO PLAYS FOR KEEPS AND IS OUT
>> TO DESTROY THE LIFE OF THE CHILD OF GOD, STEAL ALL OF THE GOOD THINGS
>> THAT THIS LIFE CAN OFFER, AND LITERALLY HELP YOU MAKE CHOICES THAT
>> WILL KILL YOU! HE IS NOT PLAYING GAMES!
>>
>> As you read through the life of Samson, as he went through life, he
>> chose to turn from God and serve the enemy. Samson knew how God felt
>> about being unequally yoked with nonbelievers. Samson knew God's plan
>> for marriage. Samson knew God forbids sex outside of marriage. Yet
>> Samson's weakness was women, women who did not know or honor God in
>> their life.
>>
>> The enemy is persistent. He will tempt the child of God over and over
>> and over until he finds the weakness in their life. Samson's weakness
>> was women. Each day, just like you and me, he had to choose who he
>> would serve that day. As much as the anointing of God was on his life,
>> even though he served God in miraculous ways, even though God used him
>> to bless many, IT WAS SAMSON WHO HAD TO MAKE THE CHOICE EACH DAY WHOM
>> HE WOULD SERVE.
>>
>> Over and over, Samson chose sin over God. Over and over, God showed
>> his love and grace to Samson and gave him chances to straighten his
>> life out. But Samson took God's grace and mercy for granted, refused
>> to turn from his sin, and it was his sin that ultimately destroyed his
>> life, stole all of the blessings God had for him, and ultimately
>> killed him.
>>
>> Let me encourage you today. If you have chosen to serve sin, have
>> allowed things to enter into your life that God does not approve of,
>> TODAY is the day that you can stop. Is it that easy? NO WAY! It will
>> be the hardest thing that you have ever done. But if you take the
>> first step, God will strengthen you and help you to turn away from
>> sin, and back to Him.
>>
>> THE CHOICE THAT YOU MAKE TODAY COULD LITERALLY SAVE YOUR LIFE, BUT IT
>> IS A CHOICE THAT YOU MUST MAKE. NOBODY CAN MAKE IT FOR YOU.
>>
>> I love you and care for you so much. God loves you and cares for you
>> even more. Each day, He gives you the choice to love Him and serve
>> Him. Even those who have loved Him and served Him for many years,
>> STILL each day must make that choice. I pray today that you learn from
>> Samson's life and choose God.
>>
>> Each day I get hundreds of emails from people all over the world,
>> saying that what I write is intolerant, it isn't for "today", that
>> there is nothing wrong with doing what we want. They simply don't
>> understand that God loves us SO MUCH, that He sent His word to
>> encourage us and guide us along our journey here. How He shows us to
>> live our life is not to keep us from enjoying our life, but to know
>> the peace, joy, and abundance that this life can offer.
>>
>> God loves us enough to give us the free will to choose each day
>> whether we will serve Him or not. That is a choice that I will make
>> today, and it is a choice that YOU will make today. My prayer today is
>> that you will choose to serve God!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> In His love and service, Your friend and brother in Christ,
>>
>> Bill Keller
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 25
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 19:28:07 -0800
>> From: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Andrew'" <andrewjedg at gmail.com>, "'Faith-talk, for the
>> discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] bill keller devotional for july 20
>> Message-ID: <00eb01cfa493$ca9b8010$5fd28030$@com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Thanks for this, it is simple and true and like most truths, putting it
>> into
>> practice could change a life, also, as God usually does, it was a
>> reinforcement of the message I heard at Church just this morning.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Andrew
>> via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 7:20 PM
>> To: Faith-talk
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] bill keller devotional for july 20
>>
>> No matter long you have been saved, no matter how greatly God is using
>> your
>> life, the fact is that we each wake up in the morning and face the choice
>> of
>> who we will serve that day. I have used the life of Samson in various
>> opportunities that I have had over my years in the ministry when I was
>> speaking to pastors or men's groups. But Samson's life is very applicable
>> for this message today, in regards to the choices that you will make
>> today
>> and every day, as to exactly WHO you will serve.
>>
>> Samson was miraculously born to a mother who was unable to conceive a
>> child.
>> He was dedicated to God's service even before he was conceived.
>> While many may scoff at this, I have known many women who were unable to
>> have children, but after much prayer and seeking God, their once barren
>> womb
>> brought forth life! Just in the 15 years Liveprayer has been on line, we
>> have had five such births that I can recall off of the top of my head.
>> Samson was dedicated to the Lord's service, grew up being taught all
>> about
>> God, and the Bible says that the Spirit of God was upon his life.
>>
>> One of the points that I want to stress today is that here was a man,
>> dedicated to God even before he was conceived, raised in the "church"
>> of his day, and had a heart so close to God that the Bible even says
>> God's
>> Spirit was upon him. DESPITE THIS, SAMSON, JUST LIKE YOU AND I, WOKE UP
>> EVERY MORNING AND HAD TO MAKE CHOICES THROUGHOUT THE DAY WHO HE WOULD
>> SERVE!
>>
>> The Bible says that the devil comes to kill, steal, and destroy. If you
>> have
>> accepted Christ into your heart by faith, the Bible says that you are
>> saved
>> (John 3:16; Romans 10:10; Ephesians 2:8-9). However, even though the
>> devil
>> can't have your eternal soul, he can destroy your life, steal the joy,
>> peace, and abundance Jesus promised those who followed Him would know
>> during
>> our brief journey here, and kill us literally.
>>
>> I have known many great men and women of God over the years, who allowed
>> sin
>> in their life to consume them to the point of death. One dear brother got
>> into the bondage of drug addiction and died from an overdose. One pastor
>> I
>> know looked to alcohol instead of the Lord in times of trouble, and
>> alcohol
>> eventually destroyed his life, and he died much earlier then he should
>> have
>> because of it. One sister, who did many great things for God, allowed the
>> enemy to throw her into a state of depression to the point that she took
>> her
>> own life.
>>
>> SATAN IS NOT THE CLASS CLOWN, SOME MISCHIEVOUS PARTY ANIMAL THAT LOVES TO
>> HAVE FUN. SATAN IS A VERY REAL ENEMY WHO PLAYS FOR KEEPS AND IS OUT TO
>> DESTROY THE LIFE OF THE CHILD OF GOD, STEAL ALL OF THE GOOD THINGS THAT
>> THIS
>> LIFE CAN OFFER, AND LITERALLY HELP YOU MAKE CHOICES THAT WILL KILL YOU!
>> HE
>> IS NOT PLAYING GAMES!
>>
>> As you read through the life of Samson, as he went through life, he chose
>> to
>> turn from God and serve the enemy. Samson knew how God felt about being
>> unequally yoked with nonbelievers. Samson knew God's plan for marriage.
>> Samson knew God forbids sex outside of marriage. Yet Samson's weakness
>> was
>> women, women who did not know or honor God in their life.
>>
>> The enemy is persistent. He will tempt the child of God over and over and
>> over until he finds the weakness in their life. Samson's weakness was
>> women.
>> Each day, just like you and me, he had to choose who he would serve that
>> day. As much as the anointing of God was on his life, even though he
>> served
>> God in miraculous ways, even though God used him to bless many, IT WAS
>> SAMSON WHO HAD TO MAKE THE CHOICE EACH DAY WHOM HE WOULD SERVE.
>>
>> Over and over, Samson chose sin over God. Over and over, God showed his
>> love
>> and grace to Samson and gave him chances to straighten his life out. But
>> Samson took God's grace and mercy for granted, refused to turn from his
>> sin,
>> and it was his sin that ultimately destroyed his life, stole all of the
>> blessings God had for him, and ultimately killed him.
>>
>> Let me encourage you today. If you have chosen to serve sin, have allowed
>> things to enter into your life that God does not approve of, TODAY is the
>> day that you can stop. Is it that easy? NO WAY! It will be the hardest
>> thing
>> that you have ever done. But if you take the first step, God will
>> strengthen
>> you and help you to turn away from sin, and back to Him.
>>
>> THE CHOICE THAT YOU MAKE TODAY COULD LITERALLY SAVE YOUR LIFE, BUT IT IS
>> A
>> CHOICE THAT YOU MUST MAKE. NOBODY CAN MAKE IT FOR YOU.
>>
>> I love you and care for you so much. God loves you and cares for you even
>> more. Each day, He gives you the choice to love Him and serve Him. Even
>> those who have loved Him and served Him for many years, STILL each day
>> must
>> make that choice. I pray today that you learn from Samson's life and
>> choose
>> God.
>>
>> Each day I get hundreds of emails from people all over the world, saying
>> that what I write is intolerant, it isn't for "today", that there is
>> nothing
>> wrong with doing what we want. They simply don't understand that God
>> loves
>> us SO MUCH, that He sent His word to encourage us and guide us along our
>> journey here. How He shows us to live our life is not to keep us from
>> enjoying our life, but to know the peace, joy, and abundance that this
>> life
>> can offer.
>>
>> God loves us enough to give us the free will to choose each day whether
>> we
>> will serve Him or not. That is a choice that I will make today, and it is
>> a
>> choice that YOU will make today. My prayer today is that you will choose
>> to
>> serve God!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> In His love and service, Your friend and brother in Christ,
>>
>> Bill Keller
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 26
>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 19:37:22 -0800
>> From: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion'"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Looking at Christian persecution
>> Message-ID: <00ec01cfa495$156ef7b0$404ce710$@com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Below is a Google search that shows results I found by just typing in the
>> words, Christian persecution, it encompasses not only tragedy, but the
>> Prophetic reality of Jesus' words spoken over 2000 years ago, perhaps
>> just
>> take less than a minute to read the search headings and if your heart
>> inclines you, lift these people up in prayer and remember the great cost
>> of
>> actually calling yourself a Christian and the value of what we have as
>> the
>> Bible,
>> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=Christian+per
>> sacution&oq=Christian+persacution&gs_l=news-cc.3..43j43i53.210005.214018.0.2
>> 15302.21.9.0.12.12.0.96.694.9.9.0...0.0...1ac.1.2txMGC6DjR0#authuser=0&gl=us
>> &hl=en&q=christian%20persecution&tbm=nws
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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