[Faith-talk] Bible poem quiz
Donna Elliott
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Mon Jul 21 20:41:36 UTC 2014
Paul, is it Luke 24? Donna
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> 1. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation
> totheZionistsubjection. (debby phillips)
> 2. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation
> totheZionistsubjection. (Ashley Bramlett)
> 3. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the Zionist
> subjection. (Poppa Bear)
> 4. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation to theZionist
> subjection. (RJ Sandefur)
> 5. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation
> totheZionistsubjection. (Sheila Leigland)
> 6. Looking for: Ron Burzese (Doris &Hubby Chris)
> 7. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation to theZionist
> subjection. (Brandon A. Olivares)
> 8. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation to theZionist
> subjection. (Devin Prater)
> 9. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation totheZionist
> subjection. (Paul)
> 10. Weekly Bible Trivia Game for Sunday, July 20, 2014 (Paul)
> 11. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation
> totheZionistsubjection. (Kendra. Schaber)
> 12. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation
> totheZionistsubjection. (justin williams)
> 13. true translations (Devin Prater)
> 14. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation totheZionist
> subjection. (Brandon A. Olivares)
> 15. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation
> totheZionistsubjection. (Brandon A. Olivares)
> 16. Re: true translations (Poppa Bear)
> 17. Re: true translations (Paul)
> 18. Re: Weekly Bible Trivia Game for Sunday, July 20, 2014
> (Sheila Leigland)
> 19. Re: true translations (Kendra. Schaber)
> 20. Re: true translations (Poppa Bear)
> 21. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation
> totheZionistsubjection. (Kendra. Schaber)
> 22. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the Zionist
> subjection. (Doris &Hubby Chris)
> 23. Re: Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the Zionist
> subjection. (Mostafa Almahdy)
> 24. bill keller devotional for july 20 (Andrew)
> 25. Re: bill keller devotional for july 20 (Poppa Bear)
> 26. Looking at Christian persecution (Poppa Bear)
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:36:42 -0400
> From: debby phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>
> To: Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>, "Faith-talk, for the
> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>,
> joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com, faith-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
> totheZionistsubjection.
> Message-ID: <53cbd408.0b0de00a.43b5.7298 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hey Ashley, I think your topic is right on. How does blindness
> affect our faith? And how does blindness affect how we deal with
> others of differing religions? Now, that may sound strange, so
> read me out. First of all, I'll deal with my second question.
> There are various cultures and faiths that view blindness very
> negatively. How do people overcome those obstacles? As a dog
> user how do I deal with a cab driver who refuses to allow my dog
> in his cab because he is Muslim and believes that dogs are
> unclean? how do we deal with issues that affect our rights and
> someone's freedom of religion? For instance, if a law requires
> that I do something that I find reprehensible because of my
> faith, how do I deal with that?
>
> Then my first question, how does blindness affect my faith? Well,
> in one way it does not. What I believe is in my heart, and I try
> to live out my faith every day, showing the love of Jesus to
> others. And I want to be of service to others. But what happens
> when people say, You can't do this or that because of your
> blindness. As a Catholic, I wanted to enter a particular
> community of nuns. (This was years ago and now I am married).
> But they did not want to have "anyone with handicaps" in their
> community. Good luck with that, when members get older and have
> disabilities. Churches in the United States are not required to
> follow the rules of the ADA. So what recourse does a person
> have? These are topics that I think are blindness-related, and
> certainly NFB related. Thanks for reading. Blessings,
> Debby
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:26:08 -0400
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "for the discussion of faith and religion Faith-talk"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
> totheZionistsubjection.
> Message-ID: <0450925FCF30437E8563DB17073C1C09 at OwnerPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> Debby,
> all good points. We follow and adopt beliefs and its in our heart. But, I
> think blindness and low vision do affect our ability to live out our faith
> and practice it.
>
> While places of worship don't have to follow the ADA, I've seen little
> conflict around here and many in our local nfb chapters attend churches of
> various denominations on a regular basis.
>
> I'll try and find a good subject line and question for this later.
> I'm really not interested in Mostafa's latest comments denegrading the
> bible.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: debby phillips
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 10:36 AM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion ;
> joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com ; faith-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
> totheZionistsubjection.
>
> Hey Ashley, I think your topic is right on. How does blindness
> affect our faith? And how does blindness affect how we deal with
> others of differing religions? Now, that may sound strange, so
> read me out. First of all, I'll deal with my second question.
> There are various cultures and faiths that view blindness very
> negatively. How do people overcome those obstacles? As a dog
> user how do I deal with a cab driver who refuses to allow my dog
> in his cab because he is Muslim and believes that dogs are
> unclean? how do we deal with issues that affect our rights and
> someone's freedom of religion? For instance, if a law requires
> that I do something that I find reprehensible because of my
> faith, how do I deal with that?
>
> Then my first question, how does blindness affect my faith? Well,
> in one way it does not. What I believe is in my heart, and I try
> to live out my faith every day, showing the love of Jesus to
> others. And I want to be of service to others. But what happens
> when people say, You can't do this or that because of your
> blindness. As a Catholic, I wanted to enter a particular
> community of nuns. (This was years ago and now I am married).
> But they did not want to have "anyone with handicaps" in their
> community. Good luck with that, when members get older and have
> disabilities. Churches in the United States are not required to
> follow the rules of the ADA. So what recourse does a person
> have? These are topics that I think are blindness-related, and
> certainly NFB related. Thanks for reading. Blessings,
> Debby
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 09:57:42 -0800
> From: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
> To: "'Mostafa'" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>, "'Faith-talk, for the
> discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the
> Zionist subjection.
> Message-ID: <00cb01cfa444$1b688600$52399200$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hello Mustafa, I was talking about the ability to gather accurately the
> transmitted data from cultures throughout history in any field of study
> related to a written text, that truth is still a reality regardless of
> whether or not you like to pick and choose the best words of elocution to
> try and prove your points. This was called sophistry in ancient days and I
> think you have acquired a formidable ability to execute it in your
> arguments. You do indeed dismiss anything that does not fit your argument
> even if it is valid, you will still take an arbitrary direction and avoid
> the points of any person who responds to you. You keep fighting against the
> Bible and making your various arguments, but I know that the living God is
> able to defend his word just fine.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mostafa
> via Faith-talk
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
> To: oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
> Subject: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the Zionist
> subjection.
>
>
> Greetings.
>
> It was immediately after my post that I have got ranging responses, from
> considering my scrutiny irrelevant to inconsistently comparing sacred
> translations with the constant transmission of terrestrial disciplines such
> as Astronomy, Ecology, Mathematics, and other related scientific branches.
>
> The one who incorrectly posed this inconsistent analogy should have known
> that physical science is the study of the physical and natural world using
> theoretical models and data from experiments or observation.
>
> But sacred text is not based on that.
>
> Sacred text is based on divine legitimacy and reliability.
>
> Furthermore, physical science is temporal, and it constantly evolves as new
> discovery and scientific developments unfold.
>
> Whilst in addition, sacred text is unaltered, it is not edited, motified,
> nor even recontextualized.
>
> I reserve the right to criticize any form of belief, as long as I am
> devoting my arguments to enlightening propositions, and that does not mean I
> am doubtful of my faith, it is basically preposterous for someone to think
> so.
>
> Well, someone is certainly pitiful enough to delude himself with such
> miserably absurd illusions.
>
> Now, we are back again to verbally defy the plain obstinacy of
> guarding aggression and transgression.
>
> The Constitution of the United States is the most honorable constitution in
> the world.
>
> It strictly prohibits ethnic cleansing, mass murder, suppression, subjection
> and military strikes on civil targets.
>
> I am not flattering Americans though, I am basically uttering the truth.
>
> I distinctly honor and respect the humanrights principles which the U.S
> Constitution strongly affirms and it is based on that.
>
> The U.S constitution recognizes people equal before the supreme law, and it
> does not opt anyone on either racial, ethnic or religious superiority
> complex.
>
> Well unfortunately, there are some minors who considers themselves cr?me
> de la cr?me, they consider themselves eminent, even beyond the
> constitutional principles, and they think that an insect in New York is
> worthful than a human being in Gaza.
>
> Those who devote themselves to such abominable attitude are not humans,
> although they look like humans, but they think and act like devilish
> species.
>
> They viciously belong to mephistophelean species because of their radical
> arrogance and cruelty.
>
> I emphasize again as I have done many times before, Original sin in Islam is
> not reprobating Adam and Eve for eating from the forbidden tree, it is
> rather acting in pride and arrogance.
>
> This is the resentment of Lucifer who is the chief adversary of cynicism.
>
> He is demonized to eternal damnation because of his radical arrogance and
> bigotry.
>
> Pro Israel supporters and their allies consider themselves the highest of
> high, the chosen people, the children of God, and therefore, anyone who
> opposes them is not a human, and he is worth it for a shoot.
>
> We will never bow down to their oppressive authority, defiance should
> persist, and we ultimately shall prevail.
>
> I will make sure to pass my defying sentiment to a broader scale, so we will
> uninterruptedly pressure on Israel and its pro allies on international
> scope, until we force them to decease using the force to bow Palestinians
> down.
>
> As President Anwar el-Sadat said;
>
> ?What was taken by force is never regained by rather than force?.
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:13:45 -0400
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
> To: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for the
> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to
> theZionist subjection.
> Message-ID: <B7B270C0B23D49059123806B64349102 at robert9999b7cf>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Thank you Poppa Bare for that point! He tries to make himself sound
> educated, when in reality, he knows nothing concerning the Christianity
> faith, rather only what he's been taught, and futhermore, these so-called
> arguments have been disproven time and time again. It is just laughible! The
> dead sea scroles prove that the bible we have today is what the bible
> claimes to be, the word of God! I found a really good websight.
> www.answeringislam.com
> Do research before you try debating someone with a doctorate degree.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Poppa Bear via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: "'Mostafa'" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>; "'Faith-talk,for the discussion
> of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 1:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to
> theZionist subjection.
>
>
> Hello Mustafa, I was talking about the ability to gather accurately the
> transmitted data from cultures throughout history in any field of study
> related to a written text, that truth is still a reality regardless of
> whether or not you like to pick and choose the best words of elocution to
> try and prove your points. This was called sophistry in ancient days and I
> think you have acquired a formidable ability to execute it in your
> arguments. You do indeed dismiss anything that does not fit your argument
> even if it is valid, you will still take an arbitrary direction and avoid
> the points of any person who responds to you. You keep fighting against the
> Bible and making your various arguments, but I know that the living God is
> able to defend his word just fine.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mostafa
> via Faith-talk
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
> To: oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
> Subject: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the Zionist
> subjection.
>
>
> Greetings.
>
> It was immediately after my post that I have got ranging responses, from
> considering my scrutiny irrelevant to inconsistently comparing sacred
> translations with the constant transmission of terrestrial disciplines such
> as Astronomy, Ecology, Mathematics, and other related scientific branches.
>
> The one who incorrectly posed this inconsistent analogy should have known
> that physical science is the study of the physical and natural world using
> theoretical models and data from experiments or observation.
>
> But sacred text is not based on that.
>
> Sacred text is based on divine legitimacy and reliability.
>
> Furthermore, physical science is temporal, and it constantly evolves as new
> discovery and scientific developments unfold.
>
> Whilst in addition, sacred text is unaltered, it is not edited, motified,
> nor even recontextualized.
>
> I reserve the right to criticize any form of belief, as long as I am
> devoting my arguments to enlightening propositions, and that does not mean I
> am doubtful of my faith, it is basically preposterous for someone to think
> so.
>
> Well, someone is certainly pitiful enough to delude himself with such
> miserably absurd illusions.
>
> Now, we are back again to verbally defy the plain obstinacy of
> guarding aggression and transgression.
>
> The Constitution of the United States is the most honorable constitution in
> the world.
>
> It strictly prohibits ethnic cleansing, mass murder, suppression, subjection
> and military strikes on civil targets.
>
> I am not flattering Americans though, I am basically uttering the truth.
>
> I distinctly honor and respect the humanrights principles which the U.S
> Constitution strongly affirms and it is based on that.
>
> The U.S constitution recognizes people equal before the supreme law, and it
> does not opt anyone on either racial, ethnic or religious superiority
> complex.
>
> Well unfortunately, there are some minors who considers themselves cr?me
> de la cr?me, they consider themselves eminent, even beyond the
> constitutional principles, and they think that an insect in New York is
> worthful than a human being in Gaza.
>
> Those who devote themselves to such abominable attitude are not humans,
> although they look like humans, but they think and act like devilish
> species.
>
> They viciously belong to mephistophelean species because of their radical
> arrogance and cruelty.
>
> I emphasize again as I have done many times before, Original sin in Islam is
> not reprobating Adam and Eve for eating from the forbidden tree, it is
> rather acting in pride and arrogance.
>
> This is the resentment of Lucifer who is the chief adversary of cynicism.
>
> He is demonized to eternal damnation because of his radical arrogance and
> bigotry.
>
> Pro Israel supporters and their allies consider themselves the highest of
> high, the chosen people, the children of God, and therefore, anyone who
> opposes them is not a human, and he is worth it for a shoot.
>
> We will never bow down to their oppressive authority, defiance should
> persist, and we ultimately shall prevail.
>
> I will make sure to pass my defying sentiment to a broader scale, so we will
> uninterruptedly pressure on Israel and its pro allies on international
> scope, until we force them to decease using the force to bow Palestinians
> down.
>
> As President Anwar el-Sadat said;
>
> "What was taken by force is never regained by rather than force".
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 12:19:16 -0600
> From: Sheila Leigland <sheila.leigland at gmail.com>
> To: debby phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for the
> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
> totheZionistsubjection.
> Message-ID: <53CC0824.1010709 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I agree that these are valid questions and I'm willing to bet that many
> of us have run up against this stuff in regard to our faith. I dnow that
> the church isn't subject to the ada so I'm letting people know that I
> told the pastor of our church that we wouldn't attend or become members
> if discrimination was going to exist. We were up front with this subject
> right away. Our dogs have been welcomed and we are encouraged to
> participate in whatever ways that we choose. Our pastor agrees that we
> are the ones to decide if we need accomidations of some kind or not. It
> has been a really nice change.
>> On 7/20/2014 8:36 AM, debby phillips via Faith-talk wrote:
>> Hey Ashley, I think your topic is right on. How does blindness affect
>> our faith? And how does blindness affect how we deal with others of
>> differing religions? Now, that may sound strange, so read me out.
>> First of all, I'll deal with my second question. There are various
>> cultures and faiths that view blindness very negatively. How do
>> people overcome those obstacles? As a dog user how do I deal with a
>> cab driver who refuses to allow my dog in his cab because he is Muslim
>> and believes that dogs are unclean? how do we deal with issues that
>> affect our rights and someone's freedom of religion? For instance, if
>> a law requires that I do something that I find reprehensible because
>> of my faith, how do I deal with that?
>>
>> Then my first question, how does blindness affect my faith? Well, in
>> one way it does not. What I believe is in my heart, and I try to live
>> out my faith every day, showing the love of Jesus to others. And I
>> want to be of service to others. But what happens when people say,
>> You can't do this or that because of your blindness. As a Catholic, I
>> wanted to enter a particular community of nuns. (This was years ago
>> and now I am married). But they did not want to have "anyone with
>> handicaps" in their community. Good luck with that, when members get
>> older and have disabilities. Churches in the United States are not
>> required to follow the rules of the ADA. So what recourse does a
>> person have? These are topics that I think are blindness-related, and
>> certainly NFB related. Thanks for reading. Blessings, Debby
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Faith-talk mailing list
>> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:22:35 -0400
> From: Doris &Hubby Chris <chipmunks at gmx.net>
> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Faith-talk] Looking for: Ron Burzese
> Message-ID: <0MZgdm-1WoeFK2W3a-00LWvJ at mail.gmx.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> Hi, I lost contact information for our friend Ron Burzese along with
> my address book in a recent hd crash.
>
> we have been friends with Ron since 1998 when we met him at blind
> inc. in MN. Ron is known as a biking enthusiast and is a brother in Christ.
>
> Does anyone have his email addy or other contact infoormation, please?
>
> Doris in Lutherland
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:30:25 -0400
> From: "Brandon A. Olivares" <programmer2188 at gmail.com>
> To: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for the
> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to
> theZionist subjection.
> Message-ID: <6CAD0588-ABB8-498F-BAA2-DA6A284815FE at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> It?s funny you bring up the dead sea scrolls. Because though they include older manuscripts of the gospels, they also include the gnostic texts, which quite contradict traditional Christian doctrine. So I do not think they prove your point.
>
> Peace,
> Brandon
>
> Escape The Dream: Put An End To Suffering And Return To Joy
>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 2:13 PM, RJ Sandefur via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Poppa Bare for that point! He tries to make himself sound educated, when in reality, he knows nothing concerning the Christianity faith, rather only what he's been taught, and futhermore, these so-called arguments have been disproven time and time again. It is just laughible! The dead sea scroles prove that the bible we have today is what the bible claimes to be, the word of God! I found a really good websight.
>> www.answeringislam.com
>> Do research before you try debating someone with a doctorate degree.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Poppa Bear via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "'Mostafa'" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>; "'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 1:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to theZionist subjection.
>>
>>
>> Hello Mustafa, I was talking about the ability to gather accurately the
>> transmitted data from cultures throughout history in any field of study
>> related to a written text, that truth is still a reality regardless of
>> whether or not you like to pick and choose the best words of elocution to
>> try and prove your points. This was called sophistry in ancient days and I
>> think you have acquired a formidable ability to execute it in your
>> arguments. You do indeed dismiss anything that does not fit your argument
>> even if it is valid, you will still take an arbitrary direction and avoid
>> the points of any person who responds to you. You keep fighting against the
>> Bible and making your various arguments, but I know that the living God is
>> able to defend his word just fine.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mostafa
>> via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
>> To: oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the Zionist
>> subjection.
>>
>>
>> Greetings.
>>
>> It was immediately after my post that I have got ranging responses, from
>> considering my scrutiny irrelevant to inconsistently comparing sacred
>> translations with the constant transmission of terrestrial disciplines such
>> as Astronomy, Ecology, Mathematics, and other related scientific branches.
>>
>> The one who incorrectly posed this inconsistent analogy should have known
>> that physical science is the study of the physical and natural world using
>> theoretical models and data from experiments or observation.
>>
>> But sacred text is not based on that.
>>
>> Sacred text is based on divine legitimacy and reliability.
>>
>> Furthermore, physical science is temporal, and it constantly evolves as new
>> discovery and scientific developments unfold.
>>
>> Whilst in addition, sacred text is unaltered, it is not edited, motified,
>> nor even recontextualized.
>>
>> I reserve the right to criticize any form of belief, as long as I am
>> devoting my arguments to enlightening propositions, and that does not mean I
>> am doubtful of my faith, it is basically preposterous for someone to think
>> so.
>>
>> Well, someone is certainly pitiful enough to delude himself with such
>> miserably absurd illusions.
>>
>> Now, we are back again to verbally defy the plain obstinacy of
>> guarding aggression and transgression.
>>
>> The Constitution of the United States is the most honorable constitution in
>> the world.
>>
>> It strictly prohibits ethnic cleansing, mass murder, suppression, subjection
>> and military strikes on civil targets.
>>
>> I am not flattering Americans though, I am basically uttering the truth.
>>
>> I distinctly honor and respect the humanrights principles which the U.S
>> Constitution strongly affirms and it is based on that.
>>
>> The U.S constitution recognizes people equal before the supreme law, and it
>> does not opt anyone on either racial, ethnic or religious superiority
>> complex.
>>
>> Well unfortunately, there are some minors who considers themselves cr?me
>> de la cr?me, they consider themselves eminent, even beyond the
>> constitutional principles, and they think that an insect in New York is
>> worthful than a human being in Gaza.
>>
>> Those who devote themselves to such abominable attitude are not humans,
>> although they look like humans, but they think and act like devilish
>> species.
>>
>> They viciously belong to mephistophelean species because of their radical
>> arrogance and cruelty.
>>
>> I emphasize again as I have done many times before, Original sin in Islam is
>> not reprobating Adam and Eve for eating from the forbidden tree, it is
>> rather acting in pride and arrogance.
>>
>> This is the resentment of Lucifer who is the chief adversary of cynicism.
>>
>> He is demonized to eternal damnation because of his radical arrogance and
>> bigotry.
>>
>> Pro Israel supporters and their allies consider themselves the highest of
>> high, the chosen people, the children of God, and therefore, anyone who
>> opposes them is not a human, and he is worth it for a shoot.
>>
>> We will never bow down to their oppressive authority, defiance should
>> persist, and we ultimately shall prevail.
>>
>> I will make sure to pass my defying sentiment to a broader scale, so we will
>> uninterruptedly pressure on Israel and its pro allies on international
>> scope, until we force them to decease using the force to bow Palestinians
>> down.
>>
>> As President Anwar el-Sadat said;
>>
>> "What was taken by force is never regained by rather than force".
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> .com
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:46:19 -0400
> From: Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater at gmail.com>
> To: "Brandon A. Olivares" <programmer2188 at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for
> the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>, RJ
> Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to
> theZionist subjection.
> Message-ID: <53CC0E7B.3020903 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> Yes. As one who has looked into the gnostic stuff, I do believe that
> what we have is good enough. Sure, some may think that older is better,
> but not always.
>> On 7/20/2014 2:30 PM, Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk wrote:
>> It?s funny you bring up the dead sea scrolls. Because though they include older manuscripts of the gospels, they also include the gnostic texts, which quite contradict traditional Christian doctrine. So I do not think they prove your point.
>>
>> Peace,
>> Brandon
>>
>> Escape The Dream: Put An End To Suffering And Return To Joy
>>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 2:13 PM, RJ Sandefur via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Poppa Bare for that point! He tries to make himself sound educated, when in reality, he knows nothing concerning the Christianity faith, rather only what he's been taught, and futhermore, these so-called arguments have been disproven time and time again. It is just laughible! The dead sea scroles prove that the bible we have today is what the bible claimes to be, the word of God! I found a really good websight.
>>> www.answeringislam.com
>>> Do research before you try debating someone with a doctorate degree.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Poppa Bear via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "'Mostafa'" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>; "'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 1:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to theZionist subjection.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Mustafa, I was talking about the ability to gather accurately the
>>> transmitted data from cultures throughout history in any field of study
>>> related to a written text, that truth is still a reality regardless of
>>> whether or not you like to pick and choose the best words of elocution to
>>> try and prove your points. This was called sophistry in ancient days and I
>>> think you have acquired a formidable ability to execute it in your
>>> arguments. You do indeed dismiss anything that does not fit your argument
>>> even if it is valid, you will still take an arbitrary direction and avoid
>>> the points of any person who responds to you. You keep fighting against the
>>> Bible and making your various arguments, but I know that the living God is
>>> able to defend his word just fine.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mostafa
>>> via Faith-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
>>> To: oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the Zionist
>>> subjection.
>>>
>>>
>>> Greetings.
>>>
>>> It was immediately after my post that I have got ranging responses, from
>>> considering my scrutiny irrelevant to inconsistently comparing sacred
>>> translations with the constant transmission of terrestrial disciplines such
>>> as Astronomy, Ecology, Mathematics, and other related scientific branches.
>>>
>>> The one who incorrectly posed this inconsistent analogy should have known
>>> that physical science is the study of the physical and natural world using
>>> theoretical models and data from experiments or observation.
>>>
>>> But sacred text is not based on that.
>>>
>>> Sacred text is based on divine legitimacy and reliability.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, physical science is temporal, and it constantly evolves as new
>>> discovery and scientific developments unfold.
>>>
>>> Whilst in addition, sacred text is unaltered, it is not edited, motified,
>>> nor even recontextualized.
>>>
>>> I reserve the right to criticize any form of belief, as long as I am
>>> devoting my arguments to enlightening propositions, and that does not mean I
>>> am doubtful of my faith, it is basically preposterous for someone to think
>>> so.
>>>
>>> Well, someone is certainly pitiful enough to delude himself with such
>>> miserably absurd illusions.
>>>
>>> Now, we are back again to verbally defy the plain obstinacy of
>>> guarding aggression and transgression.
>>>
>>> The Constitution of the United States is the most honorable constitution in
>>> the world.
>>>
>>> It strictly prohibits ethnic cleansing, mass murder, suppression, subjection
>>> and military strikes on civil targets.
>>>
>>> I am not flattering Americans though, I am basically uttering the truth.
>>>
>>> I distinctly honor and respect the humanrights principles which the U.S
>>> Constitution strongly affirms and it is based on that.
>>>
>>> The U.S constitution recognizes people equal before the supreme law, and it
>>> does not opt anyone on either racial, ethnic or religious superiority
>>> complex.
>>>
>>> Well unfortunately, there are some minors who considers themselves cr?me
>>> de la cr?me, they consider themselves eminent, even beyond the
>>> constitutional principles, and they think that an insect in New York is
>>> worthful than a human being in Gaza.
>>>
>>> Those who devote themselves to such abominable attitude are not humans,
>>> although they look like humans, but they think and act like devilish
>>> species.
>>>
>>> They viciously belong to mephistophelean species because of their radical
>>> arrogance and cruelty.
>>>
>>> I emphasize again as I have done many times before, Original sin in Islam is
>>> not reprobating Adam and Eve for eating from the forbidden tree, it is
>>> rather acting in pride and arrogance.
>>>
>>> This is the resentment of Lucifer who is the chief adversary of cynicism.
>>>
>>> He is demonized to eternal damnation because of his radical arrogance and
>>> bigotry.
>>>
>>> Pro Israel supporters and their allies consider themselves the highest of
>>> high, the chosen people, the children of God, and therefore, anyone who
>>> opposes them is not a human, and he is worth it for a shoot.
>>>
>>> We will never bow down to their oppressive authority, defiance should
>>> persist, and we ultimately shall prevail.
>>>
>>> I will make sure to pass my defying sentiment to a broader scale, so we will
>>> uninterruptedly pressure on Israel and its pro allies on international
>>> scope, until we force them to decease using the force to bow Palestinians
>>> down.
>>>
>>> As President Anwar el-Sadat said;
>>>
>>> "What was taken by force is never regained by rather than force".
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Faith-talk mailing list
>>> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>> .com
>>>
>>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:18:23 -0400
> From: "Paul" <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>
> To: "Brandon A. Olivares" <programmer2188 at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for
> the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
> totheZionist subjection.
> Message-ID: <E744F944C55F40B49801613021FA8D2D at paul>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252";
> reply-type=original
>
> By Gnostic literature I assume you mean Jewish gnostic literature written
> during the intertestamental period, including the Essenes' "Manual of
> Discipline?" Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>; "Faith-talk,for the
> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation totheZionist
> subjection.
>
>
> It?s funny you bring up the dead sea scrolls. Because though they include
> older manuscripts of the gospels, they also include the gnostic texts, which
> quite contradict traditional Christian doctrine. So I do not think they
> prove your point.
>
> Peace,
> Brandon
>
> Escape The Dream: Put An End To Suffering And Return To Joy
> On Jul 20, 2014, at 2:13 PM, RJ Sandefur via Faith-talk
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Poppa Bare for that point! He tries to make himself sound
>> educated, when in reality, he knows nothing concerning the Christianity
>> faith, rather only what he's been taught, and futhermore, these so-called
>> arguments have been disproven time and time again. It is just laughible!
>> The dead sea scroles prove that the bible we have today is what the bible
>> claimes to be, the word of God! I found a really good websight.
>> www.answeringislam.com
>> Do research before you try debating someone with a doctorate degree.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Poppa Bear via Faith-talk"
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "'Mostafa'" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>; "'Faith-talk,for the
>> discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 1:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to
>> theZionist subjection.
>>
>>
>> Hello Mustafa, I was talking about the ability to gather accurately the
>> transmitted data from cultures throughout history in any field of study
>> related to a written text, that truth is still a reality regardless of
>> whether or not you like to pick and choose the best words of elocution to
>> try and prove your points. This was called sophistry in ancient days and I
>> think you have acquired a formidable ability to execute it in your
>> arguments. You do indeed dismiss anything that does not fit your argument
>> even if it is valid, you will still take an arbitrary direction and
>> avoid
>> the points of any person who responds to you. You keep fighting against
>> the
>> Bible and making your various arguments, but I know that the living God is
>> able to defend his word just fine.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Mostafa
>> via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
>> To: oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the Zionist
>> subjection.
>>
>>
>> Greetings.
>>
>> It was immediately after my post that I have got ranging responses, from
>> considering my scrutiny irrelevant to inconsistently comparing sacred
>> translations with the constant transmission of terrestrial disciplines
>> such
>> as Astronomy, Ecology, Mathematics, and other related scientific branches.
>>
>> The one who incorrectly posed this inconsistent analogy should have known
>> that physical science is the study of the physical and natural world using
>> theoretical models and data from experiments or observation.
>>
>> But sacred text is not based on that.
>>
>> Sacred text is based on divine legitimacy and reliability.
>>
>> Furthermore, physical science is temporal, and it constantly evolves as
>> new
>> discovery and scientific developments unfold.
>>
>> Whilst in addition, sacred text is unaltered, it is not edited, motified,
>> nor even recontextualized.
>>
>> I reserve the right to criticize any form of belief, as long as I am
>> devoting my arguments to enlightening propositions, and that does not mean
>> I
>> am doubtful of my faith, it is basically preposterous for someone to think
>> so.
>>
>> Well, someone is certainly pitiful enough to delude himself with such
>> miserably absurd illusions.
>>
>> Now, we are back again to verbally defy the plain obstinacy of
>> guarding aggression and transgression.
>>
>> The Constitution of the United States is the most honorable constitution
>> in
>> the world.
>>
>> It strictly prohibits ethnic cleansing, mass murder, suppression,
>> subjection
>> and military strikes on civil targets.
>>
>> I am not flattering Americans though, I am basically uttering the truth.
>>
>> I distinctly honor and respect the humanrights principles which the U.S
>> Constitution strongly affirms and it is based on that.
>>
>> The U.S constitution recognizes people equal before the supreme law, and
>> it
>> does not opt anyone on either racial, ethnic or religious superiority
>> complex.
>>
>> Well unfortunately, there are some minors who considers themselves cr?me
>> de la cr?me, they consider themselves eminent, even beyond the
>> constitutional principles, and they think that an insect in New York is
>> worthful than a human being in Gaza.
>>
>> Those who devote themselves to such abominable attitude are not humans,
>> although they look like humans, but they think and act like devilish
>> species.
>>
>> They viciously belong to mephistophelean species because of their radical
>> arrogance and cruelty.
>>
>> I emphasize again as I have done many times before, Original sin in Islam
>> is
>> not reprobating Adam and Eve for eating from the forbidden tree, it is
>> rather acting in pride and arrogance.
>>
>> This is the resentment of Lucifer who is the chief adversary of
>> cynicism.
>>
>> He is demonized to eternal damnation because of his radical arrogance and
>> bigotry.
>>
>> Pro Israel supporters and their allies consider themselves the highest of
>> high, the chosen people, the children of God, and therefore, anyone who
>> opposes them is not a human, and he is worth it for a shoot.
>>
>> We will never bow down to their oppressive authority, defiance should
>> persist, and we ultimately shall prevail.
>>
>> I will make sure to pass my defying sentiment to a broader scale, so we
>> will
>> uninterruptedly pressure on Israel and its pro allies on international
>> scope, until we force them to decease using the force to bow Palestinians
>> down.
>>
>> As President Anwar el-Sadat said;
>>
>> "What was taken by force is never regained by rather than force".
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Faith-talk mailing list
>> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/faith-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> Faith-talk:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/faith-talk_nfbnet.org/heavens4real%40gmail
>> .com
>>
>>
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>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:28:48 -0400
> From: "Paul" <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>
> To: "Spiritual discussion list"
> <room-for-your-beliefs at list.tafn.org.uk>
> Subject: [Faith-talk] Weekly Bible Trivia Game for Sunday, July 20,
> 2014
> Message-ID: <F6D8C0C5B0F040E1A5DE2685168EB0AD at paul>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hello and greetings to most of you on this Lord's Day, at least that's what it is in most of the world where my readers live, although in Australia and New Zealand it's already Monday. I hope that this finds you well, by God's matchless grace and His providential care.
>
> This week we're in the New Testament. If I've counted them accurately, you have one out of 89 chapters to guess the correct one. Remember, all I need is book and chapter only for this poem, not a verse. Hope you've got your Bible thinking caps on and ready, because here we go. As the Lord leads, good guessing.
>
> Women come early but Jesus is gone.
> Jesus appears as two travel along.
> Back in Jerusalem Jesus eats meat.
> Jesus ascends, but their joy is complete.
>
> Now I'd guess this one right off if someone else were running this game. Would you?
>
> And now may the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob just keep us safe, individually and collectively, in these last days in which we live. Tomorrow, Lord willing we will resume the daily thought articles. Your Christian friend and brother, Paul
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:43:25 -0700
> From: "Kendra. Schaber" <redwing731 at gmail.com>
> To: debby phillips <semisweetdebby at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for the
> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
> totheZionistsubjection.
> Message-ID: <44761D3E-FD07-48FF-BB06-22F8A5ADC46D at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi readers!
> These are all good questions. As a Pagan, I see the world as a church. That means that wherever we can get permission to practice our religion is fair game. We can practice it anywhere we choose as long as we get permission from the managers, landlords or owners if we want to burn candles for example because not all buildings allow it because of fire hazards. If we visit someone's house, we have to respect there faith and associated gods. When I go to visit my Christian friends, I respect their beliefs and their god while I'm there. My blindness doesn't affect my faith. The ADA doesn't affect my faith either. The ADA affects my blindness especially whenever signs are not in Braille.. I believe that we are all equals both as a blind person and as a Pagan. I also believe that there are many paths to eternity. In my book, if only one path was accepted, than everyone in the world wouldn't be happy with their religions or that everyone who didn't believe in the Christian God would be committing major crimes. Since I know a lot of people who are happy with their chosen paths, I am included here, I have always believed that if you are happy with your faith, than that is your correct path. We all have our rights to our aponions. However, sacred texts from all over the world needs to be respected and not criticized. You can read it and dissagree with it as long as you make a point to agree to dissagree. Pagans don't follow one set of sacred texts. We reconize that all of them are equal. All of them have truth to them. All of them are also followed by at least one group of people very much like the Christians follow the bible. I think that the questions are thoughtful but offensive to Christians because they also critasize their sacred texts. I have a question for the non-Christians on this list. Do you read, studdy and regard any sacred texts as the truth? I call sacred text scripture, legends, folk lore, dogma, mythology. As for me, I follow mythology, folk lore and legends. I believe that they hold a lot of truth. I do read scripture and agree with some of it. I read it with respect and reconize it as a sacred text. I read it to learn from so I can better understand what others follow and regard as sacred. I see it as a way to be better informed about the faiths of others so that whenever I meet them, I can jump in and make friendships or partnerships with them. I look at all angles as I read and take with me what I agree with as good teachings and the rest with a grain of salt and reconize that information as sacred to all who do agree with it. I would want the same done with my sacred texts.
> Kendra
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 7:36 AM, debby phillips via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Ashley, I think your topic is right on. How does blindness affect our faith? And how does blindness affect how we deal with others of differing religions? Now, that may sound strange, so read me out. First of all, I'll deal with my second question. There are various cultures and faiths that view blindness very negatively. How do people overcome those obstacles? As a dog user how do I deal with a cab driver who refuses to allow my dog in his cab because he is Muslim and believes that dogs are unclean? how do we deal with issues that affect our rights and someone's freedom of religion? For instance, if a law requires that I do something that I find reprehensible because of my faith, how do I deal with that?
>>
>> Then my first question, how does blindness affect my faith? Well, in one way it does not. What I believe is in my heart, and I try to live out my faith every day, showing the love of Jesus to others. And I want to be of service to others. But what happens when people say, You can't do this or that because of your blindness. As a Catholic, I wanted to enter a particular community of nuns. (This was years ago and now I am married). But they did not want to have "anyone with handicaps" in their community. Good luck with that, when members get older and have disabilities. Churches in the United States are not required to follow the rules of the ADA. So what recourse does a person have? These are topics that I think are blindness-related, and certainly NFB related. Thanks for reading. Blessings, Debby
>>
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>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:05:34 -0400
> From: "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Kendra. Schaber'" <redwing731 at gmail.com>, "'Faith-talk, for the
> discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
> totheZionistsubjection.
> Message-ID: <00fd01cfa45e$5997b7b0$0cc72710$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Agreed Kendra.
> I strive to find nuggets of wisdom in any of the sacred writings or books on
> spirituality that I choose to read; it has worked very well for me.
> Fighting against the bible, Koran, or any other sacred tex is for me, and
> dare I say for all of you Christians and nonchristians alike,
> counterproductive. And that includes the god's word will defend its self
> statements. I'm not stupid, you haven't disguised your purpose from me or
> anyone else even if you coutch it in those terms. Our islamic friend has as
> much write to be hear as anyone else. -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kendra.
> Schaber via Faith-talk
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 4:43 PM
> To: debby phillips; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
> totheZionistsubjection.
>
> Hi readers!
> These are all good questions. As a Pagan, I see the world as a church. That
> means that wherever we can get permission to practice our religion is fair
> game. We can practice it anywhere we choose as long as we get permission
> from the managers, landlords or owners if we want to burn candles for
> example because not all buildings allow it because of fire hazards. If we
> visit someone's house, we have to respect there faith and associated gods.
> When I go to visit my Christian friends, I respect their beliefs and their
> god while I'm there. My blindness doesn't affect my faith. The ADA doesn't
> affect my faith either. The ADA affects my blindness especially whenever
> signs are not in Braille.. I believe that we are all equals both as a blind
> person and as a Pagan. I also believe that there are many paths to eternity.
> In my book, if only one path was accepted, than everyone in the world
> wouldn't be happy with their religions or that everyone who didn't believe
> in the Christian God would be committing major crimes. Since I know a lot of
> people who are happy with their chosen paths, I am included here, I have
> always believed that if you are happy with your faith, than that is your
> correct path. We all have our rights to our aponions. However, sacred texts
> from all over the world needs to be respected and not criticized. You can
> read it and dissagree with it as long as you make a point to agree to
> dissagree. Pagans don't follow one set of sacred texts. We reconize that all
> of them are equal. All of them have truth to them. All of them are also
> followed by at least one group of people very much like the Christians
> follow the bible. I think that the questions are thoughtful but offensive to
> Christians because they also critasize their sacred texts. I have a question
> for the non-Christians on this list. Do you read, studdy and regard any
> sacred texts as the truth? I call sacred text scripture, legends, folk lore,
> dogma, mythology. As for me, I follow mythology, folk lore and legends. I
> believe that they hold a lot of truth. I do read scripture and agree with
> some of it. I read it with respect and reconize it as a sacred text. I read
> it to learn from so I can better understand what others follow and regard as
> sacred. I see it as a way to be better informed about the faiths of others
> so that whenever I meet them, I can jump in and make friendships or
> partnerships with them. I look at all angles as I read and take with me what
> I agree with as good teachings and the rest with a grain of salt and
> reconize that information as sacred to all who do agree with it. I would
> want the same done with my sacred texts.
> Kendra
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 7:36 AM, debby phillips via Faith-talk
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Ashley, I think your topic is right on. How does blindness affect our
> faith? And how does blindness affect how we deal with others of differing
> religions? Now, that may sound strange, so read me out. First of all, I'll
> deal with my second question. There are various cultures and faiths that
> view blindness very negatively. How do people overcome those obstacles? As
> a dog user how do I deal with a cab driver who refuses to allow my dog in
> his cab because he is Muslim and believes that dogs are unclean? how do we
> deal with issues that affect our rights and someone's freedom of religion?
> For instance, if a law requires that I do something that I find
> reprehensible because of my faith, how do I deal with that?
>>
>> Then my first question, how does blindness affect my faith? Well, in one
> way it does not. What I believe is in my heart, and I try to live out my
> faith every day, showing the love of Jesus to others. And I want to be of
> service to others. But what happens when people say, You can't do this or
> that because of your blindness. As a Catholic, I wanted to enter a
> particular community of nuns. (This was years ago and now I am married).
> But they did not want to have "anyone with handicaps" in their community.
> Good luck with that, when members get older and have disabilities. Churches
> in the United States are not required to follow the rules of the ADA. So
> what recourse does a person have? These are topics that I think are
> blindness-related, and certainly NFB related. Thanks for reading.
> Blessings, Debby
>>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:16:14 -0400
> From: Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
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> Subject: [Faith-talk] true translations
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> Hi all. I've lately gotten caught up in the KJV-only thing, and while I
> believe that not only the KJV can be the way God preserves his Word, I
> do believe that some versions can be made purely by man. So, do you all
> know of any translations I should be careful of? For now, I use a very
> well version called "the voice". It truly makes me feel as ifI'm reading
> the Bible fresh, for the first time.
>
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:42:34 -0400
> From: "Brandon A. Olivares" <programmer2188 at gmail.com>
> To: Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
> totheZionist subjection.
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> I mean the Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Peace, and other gnostic Christian texts.
>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> By Gnostic literature I assume you mean Jewish gnostic literature written during the intertestamental period, including the Essenes' "Manual of Discipline?" Paul
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>; "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 2:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation totheZionist subjection.
>>
>>
>> It?s funny you bring up the dead sea scrolls. Because though they include older manuscripts of the gospels, they also include the gnostic texts, which quite contradict traditional Christian doctrine. So I do not think they prove your point.
>>
>> Peace,
>> Brandon
>>
>> Escape The Dream: Put An End To Suffering And Return To Joy
>>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 2:13 PM, RJ Sandefur via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Poppa Bare for that point! He tries to make himself sound educated, when in reality, he knows nothing concerning the Christianity faith, rather only what he's been taught, and futhermore, these so-called arguments have been disproven time and time again. It is just laughible! The dead sea scroles prove that the bible we have today is what the bible claimes to be, the word of God! I found a really good websight.
>>> www.answeringislam.com
>>> Do research before you try debating someone with a doctorate degree.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Poppa Bear via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "'Mostafa'" <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>; "'Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 1:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to theZionist subjection.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Mustafa, I was talking about the ability to gather accurately the
>>> transmitted data from cultures throughout history in any field of study
>>> related to a written text, that truth is still a reality regardless of
>>> whether or not you like to pick and choose the best words of elocution to
>>> try and prove your points. This was called sophistry in ancient days and I
>>> think you have acquired a formidable ability to execute it in your
>>> arguments. You do indeed dismiss anything that does not fit your argument
>>> even if it is valid, you will still take an arbitrary direction and avoid
>>> the points of any person who responds to you. You keep fighting against the
>>> Bible and making your various arguments, but I know that the living God is
>>> able to defend his word just fine.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mostafa
>>> via Faith-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
>>> To: oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the Zionist
>>> subjection.
>>>
>>>
>>> Greetings.
>>>
>>> It was immediately after my post that I have got ranging responses, from
>>> considering my scrutiny irrelevant to inconsistently comparing sacred
>>> translations with the constant transmission of terrestrial disciplines such
>>> as Astronomy, Ecology, Mathematics, and other related scientific branches.
>>>
>>> The one who incorrectly posed this inconsistent analogy should have known
>>> that physical science is the study of the physical and natural world using
>>> theoretical models and data from experiments or observation.
>>>
>>> But sacred text is not based on that.
>>>
>>> Sacred text is based on divine legitimacy and reliability.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, physical science is temporal, and it constantly evolves as new
>>> discovery and scientific developments unfold.
>>>
>>> Whilst in addition, sacred text is unaltered, it is not edited, motified,
>>> nor even recontextualized.
>>>
>>> I reserve the right to criticize any form of belief, as long as I am
>>> devoting my arguments to enlightening propositions, and that does not mean I
>>> am doubtful of my faith, it is basically preposterous for someone to think
>>> so.
>>>
>>> Well, someone is certainly pitiful enough to delude himself with such
>>> miserably absurd illusions.
>>>
>>> Now, we are back again to verbally defy the plain obstinacy of
>>> guarding aggression and transgression.
>>>
>>> The Constitution of the United States is the most honorable constitution in
>>> the world.
>>>
>>> It strictly prohibits ethnic cleansing, mass murder, suppression, subjection
>>> and military strikes on civil targets.
>>>
>>> I am not flattering Americans though, I am basically uttering the truth.
>>>
>>> I distinctly honor and respect the humanrights principles which the U.S
>>> Constitution strongly affirms and it is based on that.
>>>
>>> The U.S constitution recognizes people equal before the supreme law, and it
>>> does not opt anyone on either racial, ethnic or religious superiority
>>> complex.
>>>
>>> Well unfortunately, there are some minors who considers themselves cr?me
>>> de la cr?me, they consider themselves eminent, even beyond the
>>> constitutional principles, and they think that an insect in New York is
>>> worthful than a human being in Gaza.
>>>
>>> Those who devote themselves to such abominable attitude are not humans,
>>> although they look like humans, but they think and act like devilish
>>> species.
>>>
>>> They viciously belong to mephistophelean species because of their radical
>>> arrogance and cruelty.
>>>
>>> I emphasize again as I have done many times before, Original sin in Islam is
>>> not reprobating Adam and Eve for eating from the forbidden tree, it is
>>> rather acting in pride and arrogance.
>>>
>>> This is the resentment of Lucifer who is the chief adversary of cynicism.
>>>
>>> He is demonized to eternal damnation because of his radical arrogance and
>>> bigotry.
>>>
>>> Pro Israel supporters and their allies consider themselves the highest of
>>> high, the chosen people, the children of God, and therefore, anyone who
>>> opposes them is not a human, and he is worth it for a shoot.
>>>
>>> We will never bow down to their oppressive authority, defiance should
>>> persist, and we ultimately shall prevail.
>>>
>>> I will make sure to pass my defying sentiment to a broader scale, so we will
>>> uninterruptedly pressure on Israel and its pro allies on international
>>> scope, until we force them to decease using the force to bow Palestinians
>>> down.
>>>
>>> As President Anwar el-Sadat said;
>>>
>>> "What was taken by force is never regained by rather than force".
>>>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:55:08 -0400
> From: "Brandon A. Olivares" <programmer2188 at gmail.com>
> To: "Kendra. Schaber" <redwing731 at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for the
> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
> totheZionistsubjection.
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> Kendra,
>
> Nice to know you are a Pagan. I went down that path at one point in my life. :)
>
> To answer your question, no, I don?t recognize any text as ?sacred?. Every text has been written by humans at some point in history, and it is simply their best idea of what the universe is like. They create gods, offerings to gods, rules that those gods want us to follow, consequences for not following those rules, etc. It is all mythology.
>
> The closest that comes to Truth for me is the Bhagavad Gita and the other Upanishads. But still, they were from a human perspective, and thus not inerrant.
>
> There is only one authority, though in many forms. When a person realizes Truth? and I mean ultimate Truth, not simply one form of truth in some religion? then that person is an authority on Truth. I mean people like Buddha, K???a if he existed, Lao Tsu, and likely the true teachings of Jesus if they were ever to be uncovered and separated from the Church?s version of events. There are many others, some in modern times. Mooji, Papaji, Osho, Byron Katie, Eckhart Tolle, Jeff Foster, Adyashanti, are others who live still today or lived very recently. These realized masters are speckled throughout history, holding the torch of Truth so that at least some may see truly, while others follow blindly their own mythologies, not yet ready to see ultimate Truth. And there is no judgment in that statement: Truth is quite a painful thing to behold at first. But I take all the major religions to be nothing more than mythology.
>
> Even Buddhism, which revolves around a historical enlightened master, today has more rules than Christianity. It has its own gods, its own afterlife, several versions of hell, etc. In short, much of it has fallen away from the Truth the Buddha uttered millennia ago. Yet there are still some who carry it on despite all of that.
>
> Peace,
> Brandon
>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Kendra. Schaber via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi readers!
>> These are all good questions. As a Pagan, I see the world as a church. That means that wherever we can get permission to practice our religion is fair game. We can practice it anywhere we choose as long as we get permission from the managers, landlords or owners if we want to burn candles for example because not all buildings allow it because of fire hazards. If we visit someone's house, we have to respect there faith and associated gods. When I go to visit my Christian friends, I respect their beliefs and their god while I'm there. My blindness doesn't affect my faith. The ADA doesn't affect my faith either. The ADA affects my blindness especially whenever signs are not in Braille.. I believe that we are all equals both as a blind person and as a Pagan. I also believe that there are many paths to eternity. In my book, if only one path was accepted, than everyone in the world wouldn't be happy with their religions or that everyone who didn't believe in the Christian God would be committing major crimes. Since I know a lot of people who are happy with their chosen paths, I am included here, I have always believed that if you are happy with your faith, than that is your correct path. We all have our rights to our aponions. However, sacred texts from all over the world needs to be respected and not criticized. You can read it and dissagree with it as long as you make a point to agree to dissagree. Pagans don't follow one set of sacred texts. We reconize that all of them are equal. All of them have truth to them. All of them are also followed by at least one group of people very much like the Christians follow the bible. I think that the questions are thoughtful but offensive to Christians because they also critasize their sacred texts. I have a question for the non-Christians on this list. Do you read, studdy and regard any sacred texts as the truth? I call sacred text scripture, legends, folk lore, dogma, mythology. As for me, I follow mythology, folk lore and legends. I believe that they hold a lot of truth. I do read scripture and agree with some of it. I read it with respect and reconize it as a sacred text. I read it to learn from so I can better understand what others follow and regard as sacred. I see it as a way to be better informed about the faiths of others so that whenever I meet them, I can jump in and make friendships or partnerships with them. I look at all angles as I read and take with me what I agree with as good teachings and the rest with a grain of salt and reconize that information as sacred to all who do agree with it. I would want the same done with my sacred texts.
>> Kendra
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 7:36 AM, debby phillips via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Ashley, I think your topic is right on. How does blindness affect our faith? And how does blindness affect how we deal with others of differing religions? Now, that may sound strange, so read me out. First of all, I'll deal with my second question. There are various cultures and faiths that view blindness very negatively. How do people overcome those obstacles? As a dog user how do I deal with a cab driver who refuses to allow my dog in his cab because he is Muslim and believes that dogs are unclean? how do we deal with issues that affect our rights and someone's freedom of religion? For instance, if a law requires that I do something that I find reprehensible because of my faith, how do I deal with that?
>>>
>>> Then my first question, how does blindness affect my faith? Well, in one way it does not. What I believe is in my heart, and I try to live out my faith every day, showing the love of Jesus to others. And I want to be of service to others. But what happens when people say, You can't do this or that because of your blindness. As a Catholic, I wanted to enter a particular community of nuns. (This was years ago and now I am married). But they did not want to have "anyone with handicaps" in their community. Good luck with that, when members get older and have disabilities. Churches in the United States are not required to follow the rules of the ADA. So what recourse does a person have? These are topics that I think are blindness-related, and certainly NFB related. Thanks for reading. Blessings, Debby
>>>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 13:46:00 -0800
> From: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
> To: "'Devin Prater'" <r.d.t.prater at gmail.com>, "'Faith-talk, for the
> discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] true translations
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>
> Hello Devin, here is a thought I want to put out there, are Gods promises,
> plan of salvation, commandments, Characteristics, any different from say the
> KJV, to the NIV, to the Living Bible and a half dozen others? I mean, maybe
> think about your favorite verses, and look them up in a few different
> translations and see if there is a substantive difference, in tone,
> direction or precept. You may find out that they are closer than you might
> think. I know that there are Churches that swear by one version, analytical
> books that campaign for one version over another, but I have found faithful
> Christians who read the NIV, the Amplified, the American standard and all
> hold onto the same promises from the Bible, because here is the thing, the
> promises are spiritual and really do transcend languages, the language that
> is used in a particular translation is just a vehicle to carry God's
> promises of salvation to a world of lost sinners and the goal of translators
> is not only to be accurate, but to be able to bring translations that talk
> to the people in the way they are used to communicating in real life. Take
> Jesus, he didn't speak to the people in ancient Hebrew because he needed to
> speak the same language that perhaps Moses spoke, he spoke in the particular
> tongue that the people of his day spoke in, he spoke in the most common
> tongue so even a child could have understood him and I think that he gave us
> a wonderful example to follow. Now, can the Devil take advantage of the
> different translations? He sure can, that is his job, to kill, steel and
> destroy, and he will do it through anything, just like when Jesus was in his
> ministry, the Devil tried to use the scriptures against him, and as Jesus
> was the living word, he was treated just like the written word, his words
> were twisted, doubted, questioned and disregarded and this happens to the
> written word every day.
> Well, I hope you can maybe find something in all of these words I'm
> stumbling through, take care.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Devin
> Prater via Faith-talk
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 1:16 PM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: [Faith-talk] true translations
>
> Hi all. I've lately gotten caught up in the KJV-only thing, and while I
> believe that not only the KJV can be the way God preserves his Word, I
> do believe that some versions can be made purely by man. So, do you all
> know of any translations I should be careful of? For now, I use a very
> well version called "the voice". It truly makes me feel as ifI'm reading
> the Bible fresh, for the first time.
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 18:01:51 -0400
> From: "Paul" <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>
> To: "Devin Prater" <r.d.t.prater at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for the
> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] true translations
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>
> If I were you (and I'm not), I'd avoid The Message or the New World
> Translation, the Message because its translation is so free and loose that
> one can wonder if it is accurately presenting the Word as God intended it,
> and the New World Translation because it came from the mind of Charles Taze
> Russel, founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Having said that, though, I
> wouldn't suggest that you avoid those versions altogether, but let the Holy
> Spirit guide you in the version He wants you to use and which you would find
> most comfortable in reading. Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Devin Prater via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 5:16 PM
> Subject: [Faith-talk] true translations
>
>
>> Hi all. I've lately gotten caught up in the KJV-only thing, and while I
>> believe that not only the KJV can be the way God preserves his Word, I do
>> believe that some versions can be made purely by man. So, do you all know
>> of any translations I should be careful of? For now, I use a very well
>> version called "the voice". It truly makes me feel as ifI'm reading the
>> Bible fresh, for the first time.
>>
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>
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:34:39 -0600
> From: Sheila Leigland <sheila.leigland at gmail.com>
> To: Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for the discussion
> of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Weekly Bible Trivia Game for Sunday, July
> 20, 2014
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>
> luke 24
>> On 7/20/2014 2:28 PM, Paul via Faith-talk wrote:
>> Hello and greetings to most of you on this Lord's Day, at least that's what it is in most of the world where my readers live, although in Australia and New Zealand it's already Monday. I hope that this finds you well, by God's matchless grace and His providential care.
>>
>> This week we're in the New Testament. If I've counted them accurately, you have one out of 89 chapters to guess the correct one. Remember, all I need is book and chapter only for this poem, not a verse. Hope you've got your Bible thinking caps on and ready, because here we go. As the Lord leads, good guessing.
>>
>> Women come early but Jesus is gone.
>> Jesus appears as two travel along.
>> Back in Jerusalem Jesus eats meat.
>> Jesus ascends, but their joy is complete.
>>
>> Now I'd guess this one right off if someone else were running this game. Would you?
>>
>> And now may the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob just keep us safe, individually and collectively, in these last days in which we live. Tomorrow, Lord willing we will resume the daily thought articles. Your Christian friend and brother, Paul
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> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 16:48:04 -0700
> From: "Kendra. Schaber" <redwing731 at gmail.com>
> To: Devin Prater <r.d.t.prater at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for the
> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] true translations
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> I heard that there are 26 versions of the bible. Read them, explore them and choose out of them the one that you like best. One of my Christian friends won't touch the KJV because they can't understand it. She uses the version that her church uses. I hope that you find what you are looking for!!! Good luck!!!
> Kendra
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 2:16 PM, Devin Prater via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all. I've lately gotten caught up in the KJV-only thing, and while I believe that not only the KJV can be the way God preserves his Word, I do believe that some versions can be made purely by man. So, do you all know of any translations I should be careful of? For now, I use a very well version called "the voice". It truly makes me feel as ifI'm reading the Bible fresh, for the first time.
>>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 15:50:54 -0800
> From: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
> To: "'Paul'" <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com>, "'Faith-talk, for the
> discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] true translations
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> Good advice Paul.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul
> via Faith-talk
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 2:02 PM
> To: Devin Prater; Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] true translations
>
> If I were you (and I'm not), I'd avoid The Message or the New World
> Translation, the Message because its translation is so free and loose that
> one can wonder if it is accurately presenting the Word as God intended it,
> and the New World Translation because it came from the mind of Charles Taze
> Russel, founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Having said that, though, I
> wouldn't suggest that you avoid those versions altogether, but let the Holy
> Spirit guide you in the version He wants you to use and which you would find
> most comfortable in reading. Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Devin Prater via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 5:16 PM
> Subject: [Faith-talk] true translations
>
>
>> Hi all. I've lately gotten caught up in the KJV-only thing, and while
>> I believe that not only the KJV can be the way God preserves his Word,
>> I do believe that some versions can be made purely by man. So, do you
>> all know of any translations I should be careful of? For now, I use a
>> very well version called "the voice". It truly makes me feel as ifI'm
>> reading the Bible fresh, for the first time.
>>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:23:51 -0700
> From: "Kendra. Schaber" <redwing731 at gmail.com>
> To: justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation
> totheZionistsubjection.
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> Hi guys!
> We are all including Muslums are welcome. We also don't need to critasize sacred texts because they hold truth and it's counterproductive anyway. Works by mistics are also in the realm of sacred texts. There is a whole website and maybe more than one that is totally devoted to sacred texts. Type in sacred texts in a search engine and you should find it at the top of the results list. Once you find it, you can explore any of them from around the world. You'll find anything including scripture, mythology, legends, folk lore, and mystical writings. It's a good resource for you all who are interested. All religions are represented in some way on that site. Oh yah, there is even stuff for people with no religion there too.
> Kendra
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 22
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 14:40:19 -0400
> From: Doris &Hubby Chris <chipmunks at gmx.net>
> To: Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com>, "Faith-talk, for the
> discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the
> Zionist subjection.
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> Dear PoppaBear,
>
>
> I do not think Mustafa is trying to deceive
> anyone. I consider him a friend and think he is
> just as honestly convince of doing the right
> think in trying to sway ppl in favor of
> his religion as an evangelical Christian is of
> doing the same thing for Christianity.
>
> In his grip of grace!
>
> Doris
>
>
> At 01:57 PM 7/20/2014, you wrote:
>> Hello Mustafa, I was talking about the ability to gather accurately the
>> transmitted data from cultures throughout history in any field of study
>> related to a written text, that truth is still a reality regardless of
>> whether or not you like to pick and choose the best words of elocution to
>> try and prove your points. This was called sophistry in ancient days and I
>> think you have acquired a formidable ability to execute it in your
>> arguments. You do indeed dismiss anything that does not fit your argument
>> even if it is valid, you will still take an arbitrary direction and avoid
>> the points of any person who responds to you. You keep fighting against the
>> Bible and making your various arguments, but I know that the living God is
>> able to defend his word just fine.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mostafa
>> via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
>> To: oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the Zionist
>> subjection.
>>
>>
>> Greetings.
>>
>> It was immediately after my post that I have got ranging responses, from
>> considering my scrutiny irrelevant to inconsistently comparing sacred
>> translations with the constant transmission of terrestrial disciplines such
>> as Astronomy, Ecology, Mathematics, and other related scientific branches.
>>
>> The one who incorrectly posed this inconsistent analogy should have known
>> that physical science is the study of the physical and natural world using
>> theoretical models and data from experiments or observation.
>>
>> But sacred text is not based on that.
>>
>> Sacred text is based on divine legitimacy and reliability.
>>
>> Furthermore, physical science is temporal, and it constantly evolves as new
>> discovery and scientific developments unfold.
>>
>> Whilst in addition, sacred text is unaltered, it is not edited, motified,
>> nor even recontextualized.
>>
>> I reserve the right to criticize any form of belief, as long as I am
>> devoting my arguments to enlightening propositions, and that does not mean I
>> am doubtful of my faith, it is basically preposterous for someone to think
>> so.
>>
>> Well, someone is certainly pitiful enough to delude himself with such
>> miserably absurd illusions.
>>
>> Now, we are back again to verbally defy the plain obstinacy of
>> guarding aggression and transgression.
>>
>> The Constitution of the United States is the most honorable constitution in
>> the world.
>>
>> It strictly prohibits ethnic cleansing, mass murder, suppression, subjection
>> and military strikes on civil targets.
>>
>> I am not flattering Americans though, I am basically uttering the truth.
>>
>> I distinctly honor and respect the humanrights principles which the U.S
>> Constitution strongly affirms and it is based on that.
>>
>> The U.S constitution recognizes people equal before the supreme law, and it
>> does not opt anyone on either racial, ethnic or religious superiority
>> complex.
>>
>> Well unfortunately, there are some minors who considers themselves cr?me
>> de la cr?me, they consider themselves eminent, even beyond the
>> constitutional principles, and they think that an insect in New York is
>> worthful than a human being in Gaza.
>>
>> Those who devote themselves to such abominable attitude are not humans,
>> although they look like humans, but they think and act like devilish
>> species.
>>
>> They viciously belong to mephistophelean species because of their radical
>> arrogance and cruelty.
>>
>> I emphasize again as I have done many times before, Original sin in Islam is
>> not reprobating Adam and Eve for eating from the forbidden tree, it is
>> rather acting in pride and arrogance.
>>
>> This is the resentment of Lucifer who is the chief adversary of cynicism.
>>
>> He is demonized to eternal damnation because of his radical arrogance and
>> bigotry.
>>
>> Pro Israel supporters and their allies consider themselves the highest of
>> high, the chosen people, the children of God, and therefore, anyone who
>> opposes them is not a human, and he is worth it for a shoot.
>>
>> We will never bow down to their oppressive authority, defiance should
>> persist, and we ultimately shall prevail.
>>
>> I will make sure to pass my defying sentiment to a broader scale, so we will
>> uninterruptedly pressure on Israel and its pro allies on international
>> scope, until we force them to decease using the force to bow Palestinians
>> down.
>>
>> As President Anwar el-Sadat said;
>>
>> ?What was taken by force is never regained by rather than force?.
>>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 03:26:51 +0200
> From: Mostafa Almahdy <mostafa.almahdy at gmail.com>
> To: Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion"
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the
> Zionist subjection.
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>
> MR. Bear, I can barely bear your enormous nescience.
>
> This is also known as sophism.
>
> I will not respond to such fallacious allegations.
>
> I basically wanted you to scientifically verify the perfection of the
> biblical translation that you hold and regard as inerrant.
>
> I apologize for asking you to do this.
>
> It seams that I have asked for something far away from your humble competency.
>
> I did not expect you to unintelligently extrapolate the scrutiny.
>
> Therefore, I attempted to remind you that we are particularly
> scrutinizing the authenticity of the transmission of a sacred text
> called the Bible.
>
> This Bible is translated from languages that we cannot have access to
> in our contemporary age, these languages are basically extinct, or at
> least, they are unused by laymen people in our modern age.
>
> Jesus peace be upon him spoke Aramaic and so his disciples did.
>
> But your English edition of the controversial parables is brought from
> Ancient Greek, whilst the Old Testament is brought from Ancient
> Hebrew, and they both are virtually nonextant, their manuscripts are
> not exposed to the public arena, unless for handful of specialized
> scholars.
>
> I am quite taken aback of your imbecilic induction.
>
> Without fallaciously attempting to malignly doubt my faith, nor
> attempting to indecisively assault me with insignificant allegations,
> I wholeheartedly encourage you to go and commence a thorough research
> on the subject.
>
> Of course, the word of God is inerrant and utterly perpetual.
>
> But, we are particularly talking about what God revealed, not about
> what people translated with their own additions, omissions, textual
> alteration and deliberate distortion of the text.
>
> As I just articulated, do not take my absurd statements as truthful,
> consider them as deceitful, conditionally with presenting your
> critical evidence.
>
> But I am afraid, ranting and personal assaults are not fit to do the job.
>
> Peace and blessings, Mostafa.
>
>
>
>> On 7/20/14, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Mustafa, I was talking about the ability to gather accurately the
>> transmitted data from cultures throughout history in any field of study
>> related to a written text, that truth is still a reality regardless of
>> whether or not you like to pick and choose the best words of elocution to
>> try and prove your points. This was called sophistry in ancient days and I
>> think you have acquired a formidable ability to execute it in your
>> arguments. You do indeed dismiss anything that does not fit your argument
>> even if it is valid, you will still take an arbitrary direction and avoid
>> the points of any person who responds to you. You keep fighting against the
>> Bible and making your various arguments, but I know that the living God is
>> able to defend his word just fine.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Mostafa
>> via Faith-talk
>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
>> To: oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the Zionist
>> subjection.
>>
>>
>> Greetings.
>>
>> It was immediately after my post that I have got ranging responses, from
>> considering my scrutiny irrelevant to inconsistently comparing sacred
>> translations with the constant transmission of terrestrial disciplines such
>> as Astronomy, Ecology, Mathematics, and other related scientific branches.
>>
>> The one who incorrectly posed this inconsistent analogy should have known
>> that physical science is the study of the physical and natural world using
>> theoretical models and data from experiments or observation.
>>
>> But sacred text is not based on that.
>>
>> Sacred text is based on divine legitimacy and reliability.
>>
>> Furthermore, physical science is temporal, and it constantly evolves as new
>> discovery and scientific developments unfold.
>>
>> Whilst in addition, sacred text is unaltered, it is not edited, motified,
>> nor even recontextualized.
>>
>> I reserve the right to criticize any form of belief, as long as I am
>> devoting my arguments to enlightening propositions, and that does not mean
>> I
>> am doubtful of my faith, it is basically preposterous for someone to think
>> so.
>>
>> Well, someone is certainly pitiful enough to delude himself with such
>> miserably absurd illusions.
>>
>> Now, we are back again to verbally defy the plain obstinacy of
>> guarding aggression and transgression.
>>
>> The Constitution of the United States is the most honorable constitution in
>> the world.
>>
>> It strictly prohibits ethnic cleansing, mass murder, suppression,
>> subjection
>> and military strikes on civil targets.
>>
>> I am not flattering Americans though, I am basically uttering the truth.
>>
>> I distinctly honor and respect the humanrights principles which the U.S
>> Constitution strongly affirms and it is based on that.
>>
>> The U.S constitution recognizes people equal before the supreme law, and it
>> does not opt anyone on either racial, ethnic or religious superiority
>> complex.
>>
>> Well unfortunately, there are some minors who considers themselves cr?me
>> de la cr?me, they consider themselves eminent, even beyond the
>> constitutional principles, and they think that an insect in New York is
>> worthful than a human being in Gaza.
>>
>> Those who devote themselves to such abominable attitude are not humans,
>> although they look like humans, but they think and act like devilish
>> species.
>>
>> They viciously belong to mephistophelean species because of their radical
>> arrogance and cruelty.
>>
>> I emphasize again as I have done many times before, Original sin in Islam
>> is
>> not reprobating Adam and Eve for eating from the forbidden tree, it is
>> rather acting in pride and arrogance.
>>
>> This is the resentment of Lucifer who is the chief adversary of cynicism.
>>
>> He is demonized to eternal damnation because of his radical arrogance and
>> bigotry.
>>
>> Pro Israel supporters and their allies consider themselves the highest
>> of
>> high, the chosen people, the children of God, and therefore, anyone who
>> opposes them is not a human, and he is worth it for a shoot.
>>
>> We will never bow down to their oppressive authority, defiance should
>> persist, and we ultimately shall prevail.
>>
>> I will make sure to pass my defying sentiment to a broader scale, so we
>> will
>> uninterruptedly pressure on Israel and its pro allies on international
>> scope, until we force them to decease using the force to bow Palestinians
>> down.
>>
>> As President Anwar el-Sadat said;
>>
>> "What was taken by force is never regained by rather than force".
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Faith-talk mailing list
>> Faith-talk at nfbnet.org
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>> Faith-talk:
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>> .com
>
>
> --
> (Seeking knowledge is compulsory from cratle to grave because it is a
> shoreless ocean.)
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 24
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 23:20:13 -0400
> From: Andrew <andrewjedg at gmail.com>
> To: Faith-talk <Faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Faith-talk] bill keller devotional for july 20
> Message-ID:
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> No matter long you have been saved, no matter how greatly God is using
> your life, the fact is that we each wake up in the morning and face
> the choice of who we will serve that day. I have used the life of
> Samson in various opportunities that I have had over my years in the
> ministry when I was speaking to pastors or men's groups. But Samson's
> life is very applicable for this message today, in regards to the
> choices that you will make today and every day, as to exactly WHO you
> will serve.
>
> Samson was miraculously born to a mother who was unable to conceive a
> child. He was dedicated to God's service even before he was conceived.
> While many may scoff at this, I have known many women who were unable
> to have children, but after much prayer and seeking God, their once
> barren womb brought forth life! Just in the 15 years Liveprayer has
> been on line, we have had five such births that I can recall off of
> the top of my head. Samson was dedicated to the Lord's service, grew
> up being taught all about God, and the Bible says that the Spirit of
> God was upon his life.
>
> One of the points that I want to stress today is that here was a man,
> dedicated to God even before he was conceived, raised in the "church"
> of his day, and had a heart so close to God that the Bible even says
> God's Spirit was upon him. DESPITE THIS, SAMSON, JUST LIKE YOU AND I,
> WOKE UP EVERY MORNING AND HAD TO MAKE CHOICES THROUGHOUT THE DAY WHO
> HE WOULD SERVE!
>
> The Bible says that the devil comes to kill, steal, and destroy. If
> you have accepted Christ into your heart by faith, the Bible says that
> you are saved (John 3:16; Romans 10:10; Ephesians 2:8-9). However,
> even though the devil can't have your eternal soul, he can destroy
> your life, steal the joy, peace, and abundance Jesus promised those
> who followed Him would know during our brief journey here, and kill us
> literally.
>
> I have known many great men and women of God over the years, who
> allowed sin in their life to consume them to the point of death. One
> dear brother got into the bondage of drug addiction and died from an
> overdose. One pastor I know looked to alcohol instead of the Lord in
> times of trouble, and alcohol eventually destroyed his life, and he
> died much earlier then he should have because of it. One sister, who
> did many great things for God, allowed the enemy to throw her into a
> state of depression to the point that she took her own life.
>
> SATAN IS NOT THE CLASS CLOWN, SOME MISCHIEVOUS PARTY ANIMAL THAT LOVES
> TO HAVE FUN. SATAN IS A VERY REAL ENEMY WHO PLAYS FOR KEEPS AND IS OUT
> TO DESTROY THE LIFE OF THE CHILD OF GOD, STEAL ALL OF THE GOOD THINGS
> THAT THIS LIFE CAN OFFER, AND LITERALLY HELP YOU MAKE CHOICES THAT
> WILL KILL YOU! HE IS NOT PLAYING GAMES!
>
> As you read through the life of Samson, as he went through life, he
> chose to turn from God and serve the enemy. Samson knew how God felt
> about being unequally yoked with nonbelievers. Samson knew God's plan
> for marriage. Samson knew God forbids sex outside of marriage. Yet
> Samson's weakness was women, women who did not know or honor God in
> their life.
>
> The enemy is persistent. He will tempt the child of God over and over
> and over until he finds the weakness in their life. Samson's weakness
> was women. Each day, just like you and me, he had to choose who he
> would serve that day. As much as the anointing of God was on his life,
> even though he served God in miraculous ways, even though God used him
> to bless many, IT WAS SAMSON WHO HAD TO MAKE THE CHOICE EACH DAY WHOM
> HE WOULD SERVE.
>
> Over and over, Samson chose sin over God. Over and over, God showed
> his love and grace to Samson and gave him chances to straighten his
> life out. But Samson took God's grace and mercy for granted, refused
> to turn from his sin, and it was his sin that ultimately destroyed his
> life, stole all of the blessings God had for him, and ultimately
> killed him.
>
> Let me encourage you today. If you have chosen to serve sin, have
> allowed things to enter into your life that God does not approve of,
> TODAY is the day that you can stop. Is it that easy? NO WAY! It will
> be the hardest thing that you have ever done. But if you take the
> first step, God will strengthen you and help you to turn away from
> sin, and back to Him.
>
> THE CHOICE THAT YOU MAKE TODAY COULD LITERALLY SAVE YOUR LIFE, BUT IT
> IS A CHOICE THAT YOU MUST MAKE. NOBODY CAN MAKE IT FOR YOU.
>
> I love you and care for you so much. God loves you and cares for you
> even more. Each day, He gives you the choice to love Him and serve
> Him. Even those who have loved Him and served Him for many years,
> STILL each day must make that choice. I pray today that you learn from
> Samson's life and choose God.
>
> Each day I get hundreds of emails from people all over the world,
> saying that what I write is intolerant, it isn't for "today", that
> there is nothing wrong with doing what we want. They simply don't
> understand that God loves us SO MUCH, that He sent His word to
> encourage us and guide us along our journey here. How He shows us to
> live our life is not to keep us from enjoying our life, but to know
> the peace, joy, and abundance that this life can offer.
>
> God loves us enough to give us the free will to choose each day
> whether we will serve Him or not. That is a choice that I will make
> today, and it is a choice that YOU will make today. My prayer today is
> that you will choose to serve God!!!
>
>
>
> In His love and service, Your friend and brother in Christ,
>
> Bill Keller
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 19:28:07 -0800
> From: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
> To: "'Andrew'" <andrewjedg at gmail.com>, "'Faith-talk, for the
> discussion of faith and religion'" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] bill keller devotional for july 20
> Message-ID: <00eb01cfa493$ca9b8010$5fd28030$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Thanks for this, it is simple and true and like most truths, putting it into
> practice could change a life, also, as God usually does, it was a
> reinforcement of the message I heard at Church just this morning.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Andrew
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> Subject: [Faith-talk] bill keller devotional for july 20
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> No matter long you have been saved, no matter how greatly God is using your
> life, the fact is that we each wake up in the morning and face the choice of
> who we will serve that day. I have used the life of Samson in various
> opportunities that I have had over my years in the ministry when I was
> speaking to pastors or men's groups. But Samson's life is very applicable
> for this message today, in regards to the choices that you will make today
> and every day, as to exactly WHO you will serve.
>
> Samson was miraculously born to a mother who was unable to conceive a child.
> He was dedicated to God's service even before he was conceived.
> While many may scoff at this, I have known many women who were unable to
> have children, but after much prayer and seeking God, their once barren womb
> brought forth life! Just in the 15 years Liveprayer has been on line, we
> have had five such births that I can recall off of the top of my head.
> Samson was dedicated to the Lord's service, grew up being taught all about
> God, and the Bible says that the Spirit of God was upon his life.
>
> One of the points that I want to stress today is that here was a man,
> dedicated to God even before he was conceived, raised in the "church"
> of his day, and had a heart so close to God that the Bible even says God's
> Spirit was upon him. DESPITE THIS, SAMSON, JUST LIKE YOU AND I, WOKE UP
> EVERY MORNING AND HAD TO MAKE CHOICES THROUGHOUT THE DAY WHO HE WOULD SERVE!
>
> The Bible says that the devil comes to kill, steal, and destroy. If you have
> accepted Christ into your heart by faith, the Bible says that you are saved
> (John 3:16; Romans 10:10; Ephesians 2:8-9). However, even though the devil
> can't have your eternal soul, he can destroy your life, steal the joy,
> peace, and abundance Jesus promised those who followed Him would know during
> our brief journey here, and kill us literally.
>
> I have known many great men and women of God over the years, who allowed sin
> in their life to consume them to the point of death. One dear brother got
> into the bondage of drug addiction and died from an overdose. One pastor I
> know looked to alcohol instead of the Lord in times of trouble, and alcohol
> eventually destroyed his life, and he died much earlier then he should have
> because of it. One sister, who did many great things for God, allowed the
> enemy to throw her into a state of depression to the point that she took her
> own life.
>
> SATAN IS NOT THE CLASS CLOWN, SOME MISCHIEVOUS PARTY ANIMAL THAT LOVES TO
> HAVE FUN. SATAN IS A VERY REAL ENEMY WHO PLAYS FOR KEEPS AND IS OUT TO
> DESTROY THE LIFE OF THE CHILD OF GOD, STEAL ALL OF THE GOOD THINGS THAT THIS
> LIFE CAN OFFER, AND LITERALLY HELP YOU MAKE CHOICES THAT WILL KILL YOU! HE
> IS NOT PLAYING GAMES!
>
> As you read through the life of Samson, as he went through life, he chose to
> turn from God and serve the enemy. Samson knew how God felt about being
> unequally yoked with nonbelievers. Samson knew God's plan for marriage.
> Samson knew God forbids sex outside of marriage. Yet Samson's weakness was
> women, women who did not know or honor God in their life.
>
> The enemy is persistent. He will tempt the child of God over and over and
> over until he finds the weakness in their life. Samson's weakness was women.
> Each day, just like you and me, he had to choose who he would serve that
> day. As much as the anointing of God was on his life, even though he served
> God in miraculous ways, even though God used him to bless many, IT WAS
> SAMSON WHO HAD TO MAKE THE CHOICE EACH DAY WHOM HE WOULD SERVE.
>
> Over and over, Samson chose sin over God. Over and over, God showed his love
> and grace to Samson and gave him chances to straighten his life out. But
> Samson took God's grace and mercy for granted, refused to turn from his sin,
> and it was his sin that ultimately destroyed his life, stole all of the
> blessings God had for him, and ultimately killed him.
>
> Let me encourage you today. If you have chosen to serve sin, have allowed
> things to enter into your life that God does not approve of, TODAY is the
> day that you can stop. Is it that easy? NO WAY! It will be the hardest thing
> that you have ever done. But if you take the first step, God will strengthen
> you and help you to turn away from sin, and back to Him.
>
> THE CHOICE THAT YOU MAKE TODAY COULD LITERALLY SAVE YOUR LIFE, BUT IT IS A
> CHOICE THAT YOU MUST MAKE. NOBODY CAN MAKE IT FOR YOU.
>
> I love you and care for you so much. God loves you and cares for you even
> more. Each day, He gives you the choice to love Him and serve Him. Even
> those who have loved Him and served Him for many years, STILL each day must
> make that choice. I pray today that you learn from Samson's life and choose
> God.
>
> Each day I get hundreds of emails from people all over the world, saying
> that what I write is intolerant, it isn't for "today", that there is nothing
> wrong with doing what we want. They simply don't understand that God loves
> us SO MUCH, that He sent His word to encourage us and guide us along our
> journey here. How He shows us to live our life is not to keep us from
> enjoying our life, but to know the peace, joy, and abundance that this life
> can offer.
>
> God loves us enough to give us the free will to choose each day whether we
> will serve Him or not. That is a choice that I will make today, and it is a
> choice that YOU will make today. My prayer today is that you will choose to
> serve God!!!
>
>
>
> In His love and service, Your friend and brother in Christ,
>
> Bill Keller
>
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> Message: 26
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 19:37:22 -0800
> From: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [Faith-talk] Looking at Christian persecution
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> Below is a Google search that shows results I found by just typing in the
> words, Christian persecution, it encompasses not only tragedy, but the
> Prophetic reality of Jesus' words spoken over 2000 years ago, perhaps just
> take less than a minute to read the search headings and if your heart
> inclines you, lift these people up in prayer and remember the great cost of
> actually calling yourself a Christian and the value of what we have as the
> Bible,
> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=Christian+per
> sacution&oq=Christian+persacution&gs_l=news-cc.3..43j43i53.210005.214018.0.2
> 15302.21.9.0.12.12.0.96.694.9.9.0...0.0...1ac.1.2txMGC6DjR0#authuser=0&gl=us
> &hl=en&q=christian%20persecution&tbm=nws
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