[Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation totheZionist subjection.

Mon Jul 21 22:10:50 UTC 2014

Hi guys! 
Me too!!! 
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> On Jul 21, 2014, at 12:30 PM, "Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Paul, I appreciate that. I know we come from different angles, different paths, but I only want a civil discussion based in respect.
> 
> Peace,
> Brandon
>> On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:41 PM, Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If a second is needed or encouraged, I second Brandon's comment.  Paul
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>; "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 12:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation totheZionist subjection.
>> 
>> 
>> RJ,
>> 
>> Perhaps you should act with a bit more respect. You’ve been nothing but mean and condescending in this thread.
>> 
>> Peace,
>> Brandon
>>> On Jul 21, 2014, at 9:55 AM, RJ Sandefur via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Stop trying to act like you're a college professor
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mostafa Almahdy via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 9:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to theZionist subjection.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> MR. Bear, I can barely bear your enormous nescience.
>>> 
>>> This is also known as sophism.
>>> 
>>> I will not respond to such fallacious allegations.
>>> 
>>> I basically wanted you to scientifically verify the perfection of the
>>> biblical translation that you hold and regard as inerrant.
>>> 
>>> I apologize for asking you to do this.
>>> 
>>> It seams that I have asked for something far away from your humble competency.
>>> 
>>> I did not expect you to unintelligently extrapolate the scrutiny.
>>> 
>>> Therefore, I attempted to remind you that we are particularly
>>> scrutinizing the authenticity of the transmission  of a sacred text
>>> called the Bible.
>>> 
>>> This Bible is translated from languages that we cannot have access to
>>> in our contemporary age, these languages are basically extinct, or at
>>> least, they are unused by laymen people in our modern age.
>>> 
>>> Jesus peace be upon him spoke Aramaic  and so his disciples did.
>>> 
>>> But your English edition of the controversial parables is brought from
>>> Ancient Greek, whilst the Old Testament is brought from Ancient
>>> Hebrew, and they both are virtually nonextant, their manuscripts are
>>> not exposed to the public arena, unless for handful of specialized
>>> scholars.
>>> 
>>> I am quite taken aback of your imbecilic induction.
>>> 
>>> Without fallaciously attempting to malignly doubt my faith, nor
>>> attempting to indecisively assault me with insignificant allegations,
>>> I wholeheartedly encourage you to go and commence a thorough research
>>> on the subject.
>>> 
>>> Of course, the word of God is inerrant and utterly perpetual.
>>> 
>>> But, we are particularly talking about what God revealed, not about
>>> what people translated with their own additions, omissions, textual
>>> alteration and deliberate distortion of the text.
>>> 
>>> As I just articulated, do not take my absurd statements as truthful,
>>> consider them as deceitful, conditionally with presenting your
>>> critical evidence.
>>> 
>>> But I am afraid, ranting and personal assaults are not fit to do the job.
>>> 
>>> Peace and blessings, Mostafa.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 7/20/14, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello Mustafa, I was talking about the ability to gather accurately the
>>>> transmitted data from cultures throughout history in any field of study
>>>> related to a written text, that truth is still a reality regardless of
>>>> whether or not you like to pick and choose the best words of elocution to
>>>> try and prove your points. This was called sophistry in ancient days and I
>>>> think you have acquired a formidable ability to execute it in your
>>>> arguments. You do indeed dismiss anything that does not fit your argument
>>>> even if it is   valid, you will still take an arbitrary direction and avoid
>>>> the points of any person who responds to you. You keep fighting against the
>>>> Bible and making your various arguments, but I know that the living God is
>>>> able to defend his word just fine.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Mostafa
>>>> via Faith-talk
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
>>>> To: oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
>>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the Zionist
>>>> subjection.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings.
>>>> 
>>>> It was immediately after my post that I have got ranging responses, from
>>>> considering my scrutiny irrelevant to inconsistently comparing sacred
>>>> translations with the constant transmission of terrestrial disciplines such
>>>> as Astronomy, Ecology, Mathematics, and other related scientific branches.
>>>> 
>>>> The one who incorrectly posed this inconsistent analogy should have known
>>>> that physical science is the study of the physical and natural world using
>>>> theoretical models and data from experiments or observation.
>>>> 
>>>> But sacred text is not based on that.
>>>> 
>>>> Sacred text is based on divine legitimacy and reliability.
>>>> 
>>>> Furthermore, physical science is temporal, and it constantly evolves as new
>>>> discovery and scientific developments unfold.
>>>> 
>>>> Whilst in addition, sacred text is unaltered, it is not edited, motified,
>>>> nor even recontextualized.
>>>> 
>>>> I reserve the right to criticize any form of belief, as long as I am
>>>> devoting my arguments to enlightening propositions, and that does not mean
>>>> I
>>>> am doubtful of my faith, it is basically preposterous for someone to think
>>>> so.
>>>> 
>>>> Well, someone is certainly pitiful enough to delude himself with such
>>>> miserably absurd illusions.
>>>> 
>>>>         Now, we are back again to verbally defy the plain obstinacy of
>>>> guarding aggression and transgression.
>>>> 
>>>> The Constitution of the United States is the most honorable constitution in
>>>> the world.
>>>> 
>>>> It strictly prohibits ethnic cleansing, mass murder, suppression,
>>>> subjection
>>>> and military strikes on civil targets.
>>>> 
>>>> I am not flattering Americans though, I am basically uttering the truth.
>>>> 
>>>> I distinctly honor and respect the humanrights principles which the U.S
>>>> Constitution strongly affirms and it is based on that.
>>>> 
>>>> The U.S constitution recognizes people equal before the supreme law, and it
>>>> does not opt anyone on either racial, ethnic or religious superiority
>>>> complex.
>>>> 
>>>> Well unfortunately, there are some minors who considers themselves crème
>>>> de la crème, they consider themselves eminent, even beyond the
>>>> constitutional principles, and they think that an insect in New York is
>>>> worthful than a human being in Gaza.
>>>> 
>>>> Those who devote themselves to such abominable attitude are not humans,
>>>> although they look like humans, but they think and act like devilish
>>>> species.
>>>> 
>>>> They viciously belong to  mephistophelean species because of their radical
>>>> arrogance and cruelty.
>>>> 
>>>> I emphasize again as I have done many times before, Original sin in Islam
>>>> is
>>>> not reprobating Adam and Eve for eating from the forbidden tree, it is
>>>> rather acting in pride and arrogance.
>>>> 
>>>> This is the resentment  of Lucifer who is the chief adversary  of cynicism.
>>>> 
>>>> He is demonized to eternal damnation because of his radical arrogance and
>>>> bigotry.
>>>> 
>>>> Pro Israel supporters and their allies consider themselves the highest
>>>> of
>>>> high, the chosen people, the children of God, and therefore, anyone who
>>>> opposes them is not a human, and he is worth it for a shoot.
>>>> 
>>>> We will never bow down to their oppressive authority, defiance should
>>>> persist, and we ultimately shall prevail.
>>>> 
>>>> I will make sure to pass my defying sentiment to a broader scale, so we
>>>> will
>>>> uninterruptedly pressure on Israel and its pro allies on international
>>>> scope, until we force them to decease using the force to bow Palestinians
>>>> down.
>>>> 
>>>> As President Anwar el-Sadat said;
>>>> 
>>>> "What was taken by force is never regained by rather than force".
>>>> 
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>>> shoreless ocean.)
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