[Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation totheZionist subjection.

Mon Jul 21 19:30:01 UTC 2014

Thanks Paul, I appreciate that. I know we come from different angles, different paths, but I only want a civil discussion based in respect.

Peace,
Brandon
On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:41 PM, Paul <oilofgladness47 at gmail.com> wrote:

> If a second is needed or encouraged, I second Brandon's comment.  Paul
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brandon A. Olivares via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> To: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>; "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation totheZionist subjection.
> 
> 
> RJ,
> 
> Perhaps you should act with a bit more respect. You’ve been nothing but mean and condescending in this thread.
> 
> Peace,
> Brandon
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 9:55 AM, RJ Sandefur via Faith-talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Stop trying to act like you're a college professor
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mostafa Almahdy via Faith-talk" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "Poppa Bear" <heavens4real at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "Faith-talk,for the discussion of faith and religion" <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 9:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to theZionist subjection.
>> 
>> 
>> MR. Bear, I can barely bear your enormous nescience.
>> 
>> This is also known as sophism.
>> 
>> I will not respond to such fallacious allegations.
>> 
>> I basically wanted you to scientifically verify the perfection of the
>> biblical translation that you hold and regard as inerrant.
>> 
>> I apologize for asking you to do this.
>> 
>> It seams that I have asked for something far away from your humble competency.
>> 
>> I did not expect you to unintelligently extrapolate the scrutiny.
>> 
>> Therefore, I attempted to remind you that we are particularly
>> scrutinizing the authenticity of the transmission  of a sacred text
>> called the Bible.
>> 
>> This Bible is translated from languages that we cannot have access to
>> in our contemporary age, these languages are basically extinct, or at
>> least, they are unused by laymen people in our modern age.
>> 
>> Jesus peace be upon him spoke Aramaic  and so his disciples did.
>> 
>> But your English edition of the controversial parables is brought from
>> Ancient Greek, whilst the Old Testament is brought from Ancient
>> Hebrew, and they both are virtually nonextant, their manuscripts are
>> not exposed to the public arena, unless for handful of specialized
>> scholars.
>> 
>> I am quite taken aback of your imbecilic induction.
>> 
>> Without fallaciously attempting to malignly doubt my faith, nor
>> attempting to indecisively assault me with insignificant allegations,
>> I wholeheartedly encourage you to go and commence a thorough research
>> on the subject.
>> 
>> Of course, the word of God is inerrant and utterly perpetual.
>> 
>> But, we are particularly talking about what God revealed, not about
>> what people translated with their own additions, omissions, textual
>> alteration and deliberate distortion of the text.
>> 
>> As I just articulated, do not take my absurd statements as truthful,
>> consider them as deceitful, conditionally with presenting your
>> critical evidence.
>> 
>> But I am afraid, ranting and personal assaults are not fit to do the job.
>> 
>> Peace and blessings, Mostafa.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/20/14, Poppa Bear <heavens4real at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Mustafa, I was talking about the ability to gather accurately the
>>> transmitted data from cultures throughout history in any field of study
>>> related to a written text, that truth is still a reality regardless of
>>> whether or not you like to pick and choose the best words of elocution to
>>> try and prove your points. This was called sophistry in ancient days and I
>>> think you have acquired a formidable ability to execute it in your
>>> arguments. You do indeed dismiss anything that does not fit your argument
>>> even if it is   valid, you will still take an arbitrary direction and avoid
>>> the points of any person who responds to you. You keep fighting against the
>>> Bible and making your various arguments, but I know that the living God is
>>> able to defend his word just fine.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Faith-talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Mostafa
>>> via Faith-talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 10:38 AM
>>> To: oilofgladness47 at gmail.com
>>> Subject: [Faith-talk] Refutation and preeminent repudiation to the Zionist
>>> subjection.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Greetings.
>>> 
>>> It was immediately after my post that I have got ranging responses, from
>>> considering my scrutiny irrelevant to inconsistently comparing sacred
>>> translations with the constant transmission of terrestrial disciplines such
>>> as Astronomy, Ecology, Mathematics, and other related scientific branches.
>>> 
>>> The one who incorrectly posed this inconsistent analogy should have known
>>> that physical science is the study of the physical and natural world using
>>> theoretical models and data from experiments or observation.
>>> 
>>> But sacred text is not based on that.
>>> 
>>> Sacred text is based on divine legitimacy and reliability.
>>> 
>>> Furthermore, physical science is temporal, and it constantly evolves as new
>>> discovery and scientific developments unfold.
>>> 
>>> Whilst in addition, sacred text is unaltered, it is not edited, motified,
>>> nor even recontextualized.
>>> 
>>>  I reserve the right to criticize any form of belief, as long as I am
>>> devoting my arguments to enlightening propositions, and that does not mean
>>> I
>>> am doubtful of my faith, it is basically preposterous for someone to think
>>> so.
>>> 
>>> Well, someone is certainly pitiful enough to delude himself with such
>>> miserably absurd illusions.
>>> 
>>>          Now, we are back again to verbally defy the plain obstinacy of
>>> guarding aggression and transgression.
>>> 
>>> The Constitution of the United States is the most honorable constitution in
>>> the world.
>>> 
>>> It strictly prohibits ethnic cleansing, mass murder, suppression,
>>> subjection
>>> and military strikes on civil targets.
>>> 
>>> I am not flattering Americans though, I am basically uttering the truth.
>>> 
>>> I distinctly honor and respect the humanrights principles which the U.S
>>> Constitution strongly affirms and it is based on that.
>>> 
>>> The U.S constitution recognizes people equal before the supreme law, and it
>>> does not opt anyone on either racial, ethnic or religious superiority
>>> complex.
>>> 
>>>  Well unfortunately, there are some minors who considers themselves crème
>>> de la crème, they consider themselves eminent, even beyond the
>>> constitutional principles, and they think that an insect in New York is
>>> worthful than a human being in Gaza.
>>> 
>>> Those who devote themselves to such abominable attitude are not humans,
>>> although they look like humans, but they think and act like devilish
>>> species.
>>> 
>>> They viciously belong to  mephistophelean species because of their radical
>>> arrogance and cruelty.
>>> 
>>> I emphasize again as I have done many times before, Original sin in Islam
>>> is
>>> not reprobating Adam and Eve for eating from the forbidden tree, it is
>>> rather acting in pride and arrogance.
>>> 
>>> This is the resentment  of Lucifer who is the chief adversary  of cynicism.
>>> 
>>> He is demonized to eternal damnation because of his radical arrogance and
>>> bigotry.
>>> 
>>>  Pro Israel supporters and their allies consider themselves the highest
>>> of
>>> high, the chosen people, the children of God, and therefore, anyone who
>>> opposes them is not a human, and he is worth it for a shoot.
>>> 
>>> We will never bow down to their oppressive authority, defiance should
>>> persist, and we ultimately shall prevail.
>>> 
>>> I will make sure to pass my defying sentiment to a broader scale, so we
>>> will
>>> uninterruptedly pressure on Israel and its pro allies on international
>>> scope, until we force them to decease using the force to bow Palestinians
>>> down.
>>> 
>>> As President Anwar el-Sadat said;
>>> 
>>> "What was taken by force is never regained by rather than force".
>>> 
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>> 
>> -- 
>> (Seeking knowledge is compulsory from cratle to grave because it is a
>> shoreless ocean.)
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